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Rose
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Good luck,
I wish I had a hookah hangover.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10540651 - 06/20/09 12:20 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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So i was reading about the P. Cubensis Treasure Coast strain and it really sparked my interest. I read about them on thehawkseye website, and it said something about an albino substrain. But i didn't see anything about that substrain on any other spore vendor's websites... I am preparing to do my first operation here soon and i'm trying to do my homework before i take the plunge.
How would i go about cultivating the substrain? Would it spontaneously show up on my cakes? (i'm doing the PF tek method btw). Or does it have something to do with the second or third flush or something? I'm just really fixated on growing albino cubensis. Everyone has seen cubensis, but nobody i know has seen albino ones.
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It "Could" spontaneously pop up on your cakes. No guarantees. If Hawk says his spores carry an albino trait, he believes what he says. Perhaps he'd give you a guarantee...
TC is a fun beginner strain because it is like playing the lottery... I think it is a good choice... BUT, if you REALLY want an albino, buy albino spores.
You may wish to take a look at PF Albino.
To increase your odds:
Either you could isolate many substrains on agar and grow each one out to see if any of them carry the albino trait...
Or take your chances with multispore (potentially faster, cheaper, easier... but you'd use your spores much more quickly this way) and clone any albinos you get.
I wouldn't make it your life's project, but it'd be a fun first cube. You'd learn a LOT.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10540898 - 06/20/09 01:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah i'm pretty much decided on Treasure Coast.
is ShroomsNmore.com legit? they have the lowest price for a syringe ($20) and i only have $21 dollars at the moment.
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Again, read the rules. They are a non-shroomery vendor. No such discussion is allowed.
And don't grow in your parent's house.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: CubeCult]
#10542954 - 06/20/09 02:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey Cervantes,
I have been thinking about the Trinomial nomenclature that is most appropriate for use with mushrooms...let me know what you think:
Brand = The spore vendor/breeder; ie. Ralphsters brand of PE.
Variety[1] = Hybrid or cross; ie. PE, B+, etc.
Subvariety[2] = A division of a Variety; ie. a cross like APE or a distinct and stable phenotype like an albino expression.
Subspecies[3] = A land-race genotype (or area of origin) which is stable ("true breeding") and interbred (eg. a "race"[4]); ie. P.cubensis Transkei (African).
[1] Variety: (botanical term) http://www.answers.com/topic/variety-botany
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In botanical nomenclature, variety is a taxonomic rank below that of species: As such, it gets a ternary name (a name in three parts).
A variety will have an appearance distinct from other varieties, but will hybridize freely with those other varieties (if brought into contact). Usually varieties will be geographically separate from each other.
Example: The pincushion cactus, Escobaria vivipara (Nutt.) Buxb., is a wide-ranging variable species occurring from Canada to Mexico, and found throughout New Mexico below about 2600 m. Nine varieties have been described. Where the varieties of the pincushion cactus meet, they intergrade. The variety Escobaria vivipara var. arizonica is from Arizona, while Escobaria vivipara var. neo-mexicana is from New Mexico.
[2] Subvariety: http://www.answers.com/topic/subvariety-1
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A subordinate variety, or a division of a variety.
[3] Subspecies: http://www.answers.com/topic/subspecies
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A taxonomic subdivision of a species consisting of an interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms.
[4] Race:
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In biology, a race is any inbreeding group, including taxonomic subgroups such as subspecies, taxonomically subordinate to a species and superordinate to a subrace and marked by a pre-determined profile of latent factors of hereditary traits.
Examples of race include:
- The Key lime and the Mexican lime, both of species Citrus x aurantifolia. The Mexican lime has a thicker skin and darker green color.
- The African Wildcat (Felis silvestris lybicus) and the domestic cat (Felis silvestris catus).
- The Western honey bee is divided into several honey bee races
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Livingston]
#10542978 - 06/20/09 02:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey again Cervantes,
I haven't had time to read all your new info you posted but I will soon. I'm looking forward it
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Rose
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Livingston]
#10543065 - 06/20/09 02:27 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree...
Although I think we will use mostly the term 'race' instead of 'sub-species'. Just 'cause it is still accurate and less confusing to the common n00b. That said, we do have sub-cubensis... which are mostly identical to normal cubensis, but with smaller spores.
Thank you for your posts.
One of the next things I intend to do is remove any incorrect usage of the word 'Strain' from all these profiles... unless a cube is named 'Allen Strain' where 'Strain' is part of its actual name.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10543155 - 06/20/09 02:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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so my thread got closed..but I can't find it...i got a syringe labeled "ox" or "xo". any idea what it could be?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: omgitsteddy]
#10543198 - 06/20/09 02:53 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Contact the person/vendor who gave it to you. X may be a roman numeral...
No clue, there are no X "Strains" that I have heard of... no I or J "Strains" ether... but we do have a Q and a Z...
If you do figure it out, let me know what you learn.
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Edited by Rose (06/20/09 03:34 PM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10543240 - 06/20/09 02:59 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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can't contact vendor..its just two lower case letters i was thinking maybe its "X----- O----" or "O---- X----" so im thinking i could just try and grow it BRF and if it works, i can post up pictures and we can figure it out then..so this will be a fun experiment if they do grow unless someone can figure it out
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: omgitsteddy]
#10543297 - 06/20/09 03:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is no was to visually identify the vast majority of cubes.
Was it a shroomery vendor?
Could it be OI? GT? TC perhaps? Hualata/Oaxaca?
Can you photograph and post the writing on the syringe?
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Edited by Rose (06/20/09 03:57 PM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10545624 - 06/21/09 01:18 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cervantes said: Again, read the rules. They are a non-shroomery vendor. No such discussion is allowed.
And don't grow in your parent's house.

damn things are strict here. lol.
i guess i will scrounge up a dollar and buy from the hawks eye to support the shroomery sponsors.
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Good luck.
Hawk's credible. His product is good.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10548213 - 06/21/09 03:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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livingston, i agree with the whole nomenclature thing and i agree, for the most part, with your classifications. it would fit a little better than using "strain" which is obviously misleading, especially to people who don't know better.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: apoonanor]
#10553088 - 06/22/09 11:21 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys,
Thanks I'm glad we are all in agreement...now we just have to make everyone else use our nomenclature...good luck to us with that! (maybe after Cervantes changes his profiles people will start using the proper terms, that would be great!)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Livingston]
#10553378 - 06/22/09 12:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is the term "a cube is a cube" acurate? Or are their certain cubes
that are more potent than others or some that give you different highs?
If so what are some potent substrains that I can work with? Ive heard
Orissis India grows rather large and is potent for a cube...any
suggestions?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: billycorgan55]
#10553474 - 06/22/09 12:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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billycorgan55 said: Is the term "a cube is a cube" acurate?
In which context ?
Cubes ARE cubes... not baboons.
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Or are their certain cubes that are more potent than others or some that give you different highs?
There probably are. Most people believe this to be the case... but very little actual research has been done. Everybody wants an answer to this question but sadly there is no scientific evidence we can point you towards.
To say otherwise would be a potential lie. Hence, cubes are cubes.
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If so what are some potent substrains that I can work with? Ive heard
Orissis India grows rather large and is potent for a cube...any
suggestions?
If you want something that is very potent, you should probably try a different species and avoid cubes all together... either that, or eat more cubes.
OI is a solid cube, it can grow to be quite large and packs a punch IME.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Livingston]
#10553651 - 06/22/09 01:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Livingston said: Hey guys,
Thanks I'm glad we are all in agreement...now we just have to make everyone else use our nomenclature...good luck to us with that! (maybe after Cervantes changes his profiles people will start using the proper terms, that would be great!)
I made a few changes to my profiles, but didn't misuse the term very often at all (I may have missed one or two... that fucker's long, and with all the links and stuff, it is becoming a nightmare to edit). However, there are a number of quotes from others and I have left those as they were originally written.
If RogerRabbit and Paul Stamets use the word 'Strain' when describing a different cube race... the usage of the word is very wide spread.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: CubeCult]
#10553896 - 06/22/09 02:17 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have tried the golden mammoth strain you were asking about and it worked great for me. I did get some quite large fruiting bodies. Overall I was quite impressed by how well this strain performed and the genetics of the strain were quite pure and free of viral infection and genetic mutations.Thumbs up for me!
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