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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#10319786 - 05/10/09 10:31 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Staments is quite outdated. Cube cultivation is a new field, and things change all the time. Staments himself understands this as well as anybody.
Start a thread in the forum, ask around about incubation.
This is not the proper place for such discussion.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10320155 - 05/10/09 11:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Razoom]
#10323339 - 05/11/09 04:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looking for some info on Honduran #7, got hooked up with a couple of syringes...
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: razor_ridge]
#10325632 - 05/12/09 03:21 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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WTF is "Honduras #7"? Never heard of that strain.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: German Kahuna]
#10327787 - 05/12/09 03:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why are B+ called B+? I can't think of a more boring name to call a magic mushroom.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Duggstar]
#10327985 - 05/12/09 03:41 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I figure it is because, like a B+ student, it is pretty good in every way, but not the best at anything. It is a jack of all trades but a master of none. It is a great first strain.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10332592 - 05/13/09 02:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK i probably asked this but don't remember ! I'm about to do some cakes and want to know whether i should use treasure coast or golden teacher.im looking for a bigger fruit !
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: m08b08]
#10332806 - 05/13/09 02:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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My little leprechaun friend grew some GT and he got huge 40g fruits on his first flush just off 1/2 pint cakes (actually they were slightly short of 1/2 pint because he used jam/jelly pots instead of mason jars). Actually this became a bit of a problem because he had to prop them up because they were either falling off from their own weight, or toppling over the cakes. The later flushes were not as big but had a lot more pins. Colonisation was a nightmare though. First of all a lot of the inoculation points did not germinate at all, and then colonisation took forever. It seems this strain can be a bit picky when it comes to finding a mate. However, this might not be such a problem if you are not growing from MS.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Duggstar]
#10332947 - 05/13/09 03:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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no im using MS but fuck it mines well give it a try right !
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: m08b08]
#10338549 - 05/14/09 03:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have to pop in and ask... I've been reading the forums off and on for years.
I was talking with a friend of mine, and we were talking about growing something different than cubies. He's pushing me a towards psilocybe azurescens but due to the difficulty in growing them (difficult as in, I can't just mix, inject, count to 15, fruit, enjoy) and in the end I'll probably end up getting them going back in the woods behind my house later... but he's wanting to do something I can get up and going in a few weeks, instead of waiting for... well, this late into the year, we'd probably have to wait until next year to see anything out of the azures.
For something that can easily be done indoors, anytime, anywhere... but is still has more bang for you buck over cubies... what would the next best option be? Panaeolus cyanescens?
It so hard to get a straight answer with most people because people around here are buying cubies that are about as potent as chewing on cardboard. So... figured I'd take it to the forums... I've checked a few threads here on the subject, but it always seems to end up with people talking about which cubie strains they have the best luck with...
I tried reading through this thread a little, but with 78 pages... it's a little over whelming for someone like me that has to use a bookmark twice to finish a Dr. Suess book.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Scucci]
#10338642 - 05/14/09 04:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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do youre homework man that's all i can say
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: m08b08]
#10338708 - 05/14/09 04:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks. I think I finally found... nicely enough, a few minutes after I posted... making me come across as even more of a douchebag...
But it looks like the order I'm looking for is... for ease of growing I guess I could skip #1 and for ease of learning anything new, skip #2. So, I guess I'll be looking for #3, or actually try something different and go with #2.. ... tough call. Oh well, thanks for the support. I guess I'll be doing an order here in a day or so and see if my mind changes at the last minute. ... and that's what where all here for, mind changing.
#1 psilocybe azurescens #2 panaeolus cyanescens #3 psilocybe cyanescens
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Scucci]
#10339102 - 05/14/09 05:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would strongly recommend starting with psilocybe cubensis.
of the three you listed, pan cyan is probably the only do-able one for a beginner, but conditions are harder to meet and cubensis will yield more easily
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: ABC]
#10339192 - 05/14/09 05:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I read a little more on p. cyan and it's looking like they're going to be as hard as p. azure... So, I'll scratch that off the list. I called him up after getting the top three and he had told me that he knew p. cyan was doable indoors and fairly easily... looked it up after I posted and it's pretty much the same as p. azure.
We've been doing cubies for a while here, and while ours are good, just wanting something with a little more ooomph. I'll just get an order of cubies and get the pans and that way, if I fail with the pans, I'll at least have some backups... and either way, I'll have a really good excuse to remember to take spore prints so that I don't have to order any more and spend more money that I should.
Anywho, I'll stop posting in this thread because I've kinda derailed it a little, and I'm sorry about that. Didn't mean for it to end up like this. Sorry folks.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Scucci]
#10339942 - 05/14/09 08:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mexicana is easier than cubes to grow but it does take a bit longer, worth the effort.
Otherwise, you should grow cubes before growing anything else. Everything else is tougher, sometimes significantly tougher.
The mutants are all interesting, yield less, but more potent. Fun for a change. PE is the best yielding mutant to date.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: ABC]
#10340560 - 05/14/09 09:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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ABC said: I would strongly recommend starting with psilocybe cubensis.
of the three you listed, pan cyan is probably the only do-able one for a beginner, but conditions are harder to meet and cubensis will yield more easily
Welcome to the shroomery!
Did you even read his original post or are you being sarcastic? He said that "I was talking with a friend of mine, and we were talking about growing something different than cubies".
Back to Scuuci's decision: This is thread is not the place to talk about what species to grow other than P. Cubenis. This tread is about strains (P. Cubenis only) not species. But since its too late to turn back now, I will give you some advice for choosing the next species. I've broken posting rules before, and I think this barely counts as "wrong". One could argue that different species are actually different "strains" of the Mushroom Family, no? However, I would agree with you ABC on that Scucci should grow Pan. Cyans (aka Copelendia Cyan.) since it can be fruited under the same growing parameters, although there is some important things you need to consider:
First, its harder to fruit successfully from spores. I go ahead and say it, I've never fruited Pan Cyans. before, but I am currently growing Pan Cyan mycelium on wheat berries, and even that has had little success. Here's my story: When I started this Pan Cyan grow last month, I had 4 identical wheat berry half-pint jars pressure cooked for 76 minutes at 10psi (had to stop early since my PC ran out of water). Note: this is less than the recommended time/pressure, but ALL the jars showed NO contaminates. Out of the jars I inocc'ed, only 1 out of 4 grew any mycelium. There is a lot of variables to consider to explain my poor success rate: didn't boil the wheat berries enough, the drying out of the PC could of "cooked" my berries, semi-viable spores, etc. However, contamination was NOT a problem with ANY of my jars and can be ruled out. In comparison, my most recent P. Cubenis grow, I used the SAME type of wheat berries, boiled for the SAME amount of time, pressure cooked 4 jars for only 60 minutes this time (again, ran out of water), and had a 100% sucess rate. All 4 jars are now growing P. Cubenis myclium at different rates and NO contamination's yet (yes!). I was surprized by this because this spore syringe was 4 months old and was sitting in my reefer the whole time, so the spores were naturally "weaker". The point is, from my experience, Pan Cyan is much more sensitive to proper substrate conditions than P. Cubenis.
Secondly, Pan Cyans require grains or cow/horse manure to spawn, which require a Pressure Cooker. Unlike P. Cubes, Pan Cyans *cannot* be spawned to brown-rice flour (as in the PF-tek) very well. They much rather prefer any grain or better, pasteurized livestock manure, for a substrate/spawning a modified version of the PF-Tek to grow Pan Cyans, but you need to use dried manure instead of BRF. Search "dung PF-Tek" for more info.
Thirdly, Pan Cyans NEED livestock manure OR staw to fruit NORMAL-sized fruits. Any type of manure will work: cow, horse, even chicken or pig and it has to be from a field. Store-bought manure is very inconsistent and hardly near the quality of field-aged manure. However, it can fruit directly from grain spawning med., but from what I read, the fruits are *very* small and WILL NOT produce spores (if you're planning to do spore syringes, which is good because of my Last piece of info). Straw grows normal mushrooms, but I've heard it contaminates easily, so its not good to use if its your first time growing this species.
4th, Pan Cyans NEED casings. I've read that 50/50+ works best, but have yet to try it. Unlike PF-cakes, Pan Cyans need a very shallow casing, so get familar with making/pasteurizing casings.
5th, Pan Cyan need a tropical climate to fruit. This is a good thing, since they will grow in the exact same growing conditions as cased P. cubenis substrates (85-92% humidity, 72-77F temp, constant FAE). This makes fruiting MUCH EASIER than the other 2 species you listed since you used to grow P. Cubenis and know what conditions it needs to grow.
Lastly, Pan Cyans are expensive and sort of rare to find. At least from where I bought it from. My one syringe cost $37.00 (with shipping). Pretty expensive lost if you mess up the spawn stage. In comparison, I've seen a select few websites selling both Psilocybe azurescens and Psilocybe cyanescens spores for between $22-$28. On that unnamed site, the most expensive was the the Pan Cyan at $30+. Also, many sites sell only P. Cubenis spores, so you will need to look around for it.
You could also grow Pan. Tropillicas, a very close cousin of Pan Cyans. All the growing parameters are the same, but these spores are even MORE rare, so keep that in mind.
I don't know much about Psilocybe azurescens and Psilocybe cyanescens species, but I do know they are almost always grown outdoors. This is because these species require much colder temperatures and they require temperatures that fluctuate during the day (warmer at day, colder at night). If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. Also, I think the humidity needs to be much lower than P. Cubenis/Pan Cyans.
Good luck with whatever you chose, I'm sure you'll figure out how to grow them.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#10341134 - 05/14/09 11:57 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anyone know or hear anything about the strain Hualta [Cubies]? I got this strain from sporeworks and am about to fruit some trays. Ive searched all over the place and havent seen anything about them except that they come from Mexico.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10350282 - 05/16/09 09:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey guys, i went through all the strain threads, and i decided to buy the treasure coast. Im looking for something with good quality, and high yeilds. It says there are usually aborts in the first flush, but after that youll get a good amount. Im using the PFTek, and might do casings after the second flush. I just wanted to know if anyone thats grown these before could give me some input. Some sites say high aborts first flush with high yeilds after, some say the complete opposite, i just wanted advice and info from someone who has grown them before. Also wondering if anyone knows how they do with the PFTek. And if this isnt what im looking for, can you reccomend a different strain? I want average - good quality, high yeilds, easy to grow, and good for pftek.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: EDll25]
#10350465 - 05/16/09 09:54 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I want average - good quality, high yields, easy to grow, and good for pf tek
any P.cubensis will fall into those parameters.
all grow with the same ease.
all will do the job
all will grow with PF tek.
yield/potency is all genetics(random with multispore syringes / controlled by cloning or using isolates) and how well you can provide optimum conditions.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: widowmaker487]
#10350738 - 05/16/09 11:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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widowmaker487 said: Anyone know or hear anything about the strain Hualta [Cubies]?
First off, the correct spelling is "Huautla", which will be important later in my short discussion. Like you mentioned, this species comes from Mexico, but more specifically it comes from the state of Oaxaca (pronounced "Wa-Hak-Ka") in Central Mexico. I've personally been to Oaxaca, and the type of environment/climate is a desert: very dry and lots of sun. In fact, this is where Mexico's Agave cactus is grown to distill their world-known Agave tequila.
Also, the word "Huautla" is very similar to the name of the Aztec language "Nahuatl", which is interesting because Aztecs never lived in the Oaxacan area: that area was inhabited by the Mixtecs (pronounced "missh-tech") and Maztecs, who may have used "Nahualt" as their language.
Anyway, back to the comparison: The "Huautla" part is quite similar the "huatl" part of Nahuatl. According to Wikipedia (who luckly lists some sources to this info) states that "Huautla" means "Place of Eagles" in Nahuatl and is actually a city in Oaxaca called Huautla de Jimenez (possible place-of-origin of this species?).
Here's the best part!
Direct quote from Wikipedia article "Municipality of Huautla":
"Also the people visit it for its hallucinogenic fungi, namely the psilocybin mushroom. [1]"
Reference [1] = Article, "Huautla de Jimenez" (pdf)
Apparently, this town is well-known for its wild psilocybian mushrooms. I've heard of a similar trend in the tropical rainforest city of Palenque (where I also traveled too), located in the Eastern part of the Yucatan Peninsula. The locals told me during the fall, rural natives of Palenque stand on the sides of roads near the archeological ruins of Palenque and sell Psilocybian mushrooms that they picked themselves (not sure what species, but from what I heard its NOT P. Cubenis). So if your ever near Palenque in the fall, visit the ancient ruins and look for the mushroom natives, and prepare to talk to the Earth Gods.
Currently, I'm growing 2 mexican strains: Mazatecs and Mexican. I like the Mexican ones because of my heritage, the trippy indigenous names they have, and Mexico's long history with mushroom use. As for the cultivation of it, I'm assuming its just like all the other "strains" of P. Cubenis.
What I don't get is how can "strains" of one species from all over the world have the same growing/substrate parameters and requirements?
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