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bungle
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: German Kahuna]
#9996058 - 03/18/09 03:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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so, clarification to my question may be needed, JLF poisonous non-consumables, the now defunct infamous jlf catalog offered several p.c. varieties in syringe or print form. i isolated an excellent cultivar from this spore stock years ago, but left my entire culture library (mostly wild specimen cloned edibles, and a few species of exotic psilocybe)in the bio-lab when i left school. i only really miss the palenque isolate and the pics of available palenques (ralphster etc.) i see look very different, no pronounced umbonate in particular, again thanks in advance for any help
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: bungle]
#9996229 - 03/18/09 04:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are there any strains that can flourish in cooler temperatures?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: sonia]
#9996257 - 03/18/09 04:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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The growth conditions are exactly same for all of the strains. Cubensis is a tropical species, so the answer is probably no.
Depends on how much cooler though... 60F might still be possible... not much lower than that I think.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: German Kahuna]
#9999123 - 03/19/09 02:20 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thought i'd chime in here, just finished my second grow of Alacabenzi mushies bulk spawned to coir verm coffee gypsum..etc
Well both yields were the most potent mushroom ive ever ingested.
Generally I eat about 3-5 grams of mushies. Ive tried many diff strains.. and this takes the cake on 1 dry gram (1st trip) i was at a steady lvl 4 trip. lots of visuals, kinda scared of shit but had a great time. 2 weeks later, tried em again, figgued i might have built up a bit of a tolerance, so i ate 2 dry grams, and holy shit, i will never eat these mushies again. Tooo strong, way to strong, my g/f couldnt find me for 3 hrs, i was hiding under our bed scared of something (still a lil foggy as to what was goin on in my head)
On a side note, while tripping my eyes watered uncontrolably and i yawned a rediculous amount of times. I later found out that my g/f had the eye watering problem as well and the yawning urge quite often.
Over all the trips were amazing, but i would like to maybe control my trip level a lil better.
Great strain tho, and very resilient no contams nothin.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: cdubbz111]
#9999442 - 03/19/09 07:10 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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You got lucky. Multispore grows are always a toss of dice, no matter what strain. Any strain has the potential to grow potent mushrooms. No strain, except maybe PE, will always produce more potent mushrooms, unless you clone and isolate a potent mushroom.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10025133 - 03/23/09 09:51 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok a few question's, 1.is penis envy the all time top potent ? 2.and if not what is ?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: m08b08]
#10025203 - 03/23/09 10:07 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, the all time potent is the now extinct legendary strain, Vagina Lust, which was the sister strain of Penis Envy... supposedly each mushroom had a hole in the middle of the cap
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dead]
#10025299 - 03/23/09 10:29 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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cause i was in a argument with a friend and he said penis envy is stronger than anything and then he tried to say pressure cooking doesn't work lol !  another question i sorta did a little tray ! i tried to go for something like the rez effect,here's the substrates. 1.2 half pint regular mouth's of yellow popcorn that was inoculated with honey water 2.moist sterilized verm on bottom. 3.he corn broken up over top of verm. 4.coir that had 3 liters of scolding water poured over to expand.after dried freshly mad coffee grounds.and once it was about 15% colonized it was patched with some dry coir. so this is another argument of mine that i have to ask before i make myself look dumb!think this tray with all that ingredient's have good potency ?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: m08b08]
#10027363 - 03/23/09 03:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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read the link on PE in my sig.
potency is genetic, it has nothing to do with your substrate. more ingredients just means better yields and healthier/bigger mushies.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: 13shrooms]
#10027402 - 03/23/09 03:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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wow ! that'd be a fucking crazy trip lol ! what do u think about the wanna be rez effect is it going to be any good ?oh sorry about that last question i didn't see it at the bottom!he tried to say being grown on grain witch popcorn is their would not be active,and this is coming from a asshole who fed me a quarter and nothing happened
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: m08b08]
#10038498 - 03/25/09 12:08 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just got done doing my second try with GT. I read the info (in the beginning, on GT), I have to say I'm not impressed with GT. It states that it is potent. Well I eat 9g and what little high I got, lasted for 1-2 hours.
As a lad in my 20's, I remember eating shrooms, and not a lot, like 3 stems and 4 caps. I tripped my balls off for 8 hours. And no I don't the strain.
Can anyone recomend a strain that is potent, that I could try,?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Starrider]
#10038581 - 03/25/09 12:26 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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PE, me thinks this is the most potent of the cubensis
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infinitechaos7
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Starrider]
#10038656 - 03/25/09 12:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Starrider said: I just got done doing my second try with GT. I read the info (in the beginning, on GT), I have to say I'm not impressed with GT. It states that it is potent. Well I eat 9g and what little high I got, lasted for 1-2 hours.
As a lad in my 20's, I remember eating shrooms, and not a lot, like 3 stems and 4 caps. I tripped my balls off for 8 hours. And no I don't the strain.
Can anyone recomend a strain that is potent, that I could try,?
I'm pretty sure that the general consensus is that potency is determined by genetics. So if you're looking for more potent shrooms you are going to have to either get lucky with another MS grow or get started using agar to isolate sectors of strong growth as shown in RR's videos. PE, as potatonet mentioned, will also give you extra potency but it tends to colonize slowly and yield less than other strains.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: infinitechaos7]
#10039741 - 03/25/09 03:40 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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AND ITS FUGLY!!!!!
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: potatonet]
#10040819 - 03/25/09 06:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Has anyone tried Cambo yet? I just noced up 8 jars of grain. Curious is to how the active is?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Starrider]
#10041648 - 03/25/09 08:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Starrider said: Has anyone tried Cambo yet? I just noced up 8 jars of grain. Curious is to how the active is?
I will rephrase. If any given "batch" of cubensis is found to be particularly active, it is because of that specific strain's genetics and not which title the strain was given. But PE is the exception. For unknown reasons they seem to always be extremely potent. I once ate 1.4 grams of PE and was quickly skyrocketed out of my body into an endless stream of encounters with alien beings and odd creatures of the netherworlds. Terence McKenna, legend has it, definitely left his mark on that strain.
I'm assuming you performed a multispore spore inoculation on your jars so potency will be a luck of the draw due to the slurry of individual substrains that will be present within the jars.
Edited by infinitechaos7 (03/25/09 08:47 PM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: infinitechaos7]
#10042225 - 03/25/09 09:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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All this potency talk is based in speculation. No scientific studies have been published concerning strain potency, so all we have is opinions. PE is not a super strain. But it is a very cool strain.
There are many reasons why one trip will be less profound than another, and potency is only one of those reasons. Your mood at the time of your trip, your tripping partners and your surroundings will also have a HUGE impact on perceived potency.
If you grow for your own personal use, potency matters little, just eat more.
If you grow for others, don't use multispore.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: infinitechaos7]
#10042384 - 03/25/09 10:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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hmmmm strain isolation and crossing sounds like ffffffuuuuunnnnn...
can any two cubensis "strains" be crossed?
say I had PE and Hawaiian? could I X them?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#10042442 - 03/25/09 10:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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We don't need scientific studies to make promising speculations about potency. General knowledge of biological processes can allow one to formulate logical theories about potency. For example, we know that there are enzymes that are the primary mechanism through which psilocybin and psilocin are formulated. Drawing conclusions from the biological functions of and factors influencing enzymatic reactions, it makes sense to conclude that genetic factors significantly influence the concentration, efficiency, and availability of the proteins and biological processes and pathways needed to ensure that enzymatic synthesis is at optimum levels. Environmental factors also play a significant role as the availability of fresh oxygen, water, and nutrients is essential to ensure that the enzymes can continue to function. Ultimately, though, the enzymes are what make the compounds. So those pathways, which are determined by genetics, can be thought of as determining the potency potential. The environment and substrate determine the extent to which that potential can be exploited.
As for PE, it is no doubt that it is anecdotally more potent than other strains. My conclusion is that this strain has a more advantageous set of genes that influence enzyme productivity from which its substrains can draw their genes.
Set and setting, as Cervantes indicated, does play a big role. However, its role is more experiential - it impacts the nature of the experience. I think of potency more as determining the magnitude of the impact that set and setting may play in the overall experience.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: potatonet]
#10042487 - 03/25/09 10:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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potatonet said: hmmmm strain isolation and crossing sounds like ffffffuuuuunnnnn...
can any two cubensis "strains" be crossed?
say I had PE and Hawaiian? could I X them?
They would not cross their genes if you put them in the same culture. In basidiomycetes like cubensis meiosis (crossing) takes place only in the production of basidiospores. If you mixed the spores of the two strains, when they would germinate the monokaryons of each would not be compatible with each other in the formation of the dikaryon which is necessary for fruiting body formation. You would have a mixture of PE and Hawaiian dikaryons duking it out.
Edited by infinitechaos7 (03/25/09 10:52 PM)
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