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mozartvicious
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: agrestic]
#9904015 - 03/03/09 02:50 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I have experience with both. What do you want to know?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: mozartvicious]
#9904622 - 03/03/09 04:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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My cambos ae going way stronger tham my GT.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: schutzemdown]
#9906603 - 03/03/09 08:44 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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if i were you i would get more strains and get more variety instead of buying 5 of each. search for liquid culture and you can do that.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: mozartvicious]
#9907062 - 03/03/09 09:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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mozartvicious said: Yeah, I have experience with both. What do you want to know?
everything.
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mozartvicious
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: agrestic]
#9907221 - 03/03/09 10:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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You gotta give me something better than that. Do you want to know about personal trip reports with them? How fast they colonize? How they colonize? What substrates seems to work well with them?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: mozartvicious]
#9907896 - 03/03/09 11:59 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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all of the above.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: agrestic]
#9908671 - 03/04/09 06:15 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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im doing brazilians atm, IME theyve colonized a little faster than average, i usually get slighty above average fruit sizes 4-6 inch and potency? well how longs a piece of string? they grow on standard cube growth mediums.
the main reason i like them is that the cap looks like a boob.
its been said a million times, a cubes a cube. some cubes have genetic disposition to be huge like the orissa, some to be small, some to have flat caps some to have titties. at the end of the day IMO just choose which ones you think look nice they all make you trip.
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mozartvicious
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: agrestic]
#9912966 - 03/04/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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agrestic said: all of the above.
OK, this is what I've experienced with them. I'VE. Other people's experience will differ, there are many contributing variables and factors that make growing different... but here is what I've found to be most consistent.
Brazilians-
Colonization time is the fastest of any strain I've worked with, with slightly more rhizomorphic mycelium than Cambodians.
I have fruited them well in Manure, BRF, and Straight Peat moss (which peat isn't a recommended substrate)
They seem to do well even when humidity levels drop below 95% (but above 80%), they were a lot like the BPK (Ban Phan Ka) which seem to be a little C02 Intolerant, so plenty of fresh air should be administered to Brazilians. I even leave the lid off half-way at some points if room 'relative humidity' is around or above 50%.
The fruits are average to large size and are very appealing to the eye, they maintain good structure and overall appearance.
The spore prints nice dark prints.
Trip Report (Yours may vary) I've found Brazilians to be rather smooth, very chill, but gram for gram arne't as potent as the Cambodians. Trip duration also seems to be lacking (3 1/2 hours top)
Cambodians---
Fast Colonizer, fairly decent rhizomorphic mycelium, just a little less than Brazilians.
They perform well in straw and peat/manure/hummus mix, but I've found straight manure to have somewhat poor results. I'd recommend a straw/manure mix, or plain straw for bulk growing. Cambodians have a slight tendency to overlay, but not as much as strains like the 'A' strain.
They usually pin faster than Brazilians, but almost always have some mycelium growth around the bottom of the shrooms and caps tend to flip upward in high humidity.
They will fruit very large fruits from time to time but generally stay average to above average in size. I would say the fruit density is slightly higher than Brazilians, but this appears only sporadically. Pin sets with Cambodians are sometimes uneven and will abort if not given enough attention while the Brazilians seem to be a little more 'independent'. Cambodians do well in extremely high humidity, but high humidity seems to cause the cap flipping and what seems to remedy this is and increased fresh air exchange.
Cambodian spore prints are dark black/purplish and very easy to work with as the caps are generally wide and spores are plentiful.
Cambodian trip report... I've had two different kinds of trips with these guys.... at lower doses 1-3.5grams (dried) they seem to be a very kind, giggly, and very long lasting, intense, but mellow trip. at 4-8grams (dried) they start to play with your mental side more-so than your visual side... and delusions may occur. Unlike Tequila Spikes, GT, A strain or BPK, which at 7grams do not produce this.
Either strain is good to work with and experiment for yourself with.
Remember, all this information is not subject to be consistent with other growers results or your own, your results will vary some... .but this is what I can offer you.
Cheers.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: mozartvicious]
#9913670 - 03/04/09 10:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not sure if this belongs here, but have to ask. Do spores from a P. Cubensis contain the whole chromosome set for the species. Could hyphae of monokaryotic mycelia from the strain "Penis Envy" fuse with hyphae of monokaryotic mycelia of the strain "B+", or any other strain for that matter? So long as the Species is Cubensis.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: literberry]
#9913692 - 03/04/09 10:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: literberry]
#9913745 - 03/04/09 10:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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That said, what actually creates a strain? I understand that they are usually products of their environment, but how do they stay similar to previous generations? If they contain the whole chromosome set I mean.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: literberry]
#9913758 - 03/04/09 10:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do the chromosomes themselves change over time? Something like breeds of dogs?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: literberry]
#9915776 - 03/05/09 10:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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literberry said: Do the chromosomes themselves change over time? Something like breeds of dogs?
I'm not exactly sure I know what you mean. But when growing from spores you do not get a clone, so yes there is a genetic difference.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: literberry]
#9916995 - 03/05/09 02:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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literberry said: That said, what actually creates a strain? I understand that they are usually products of their environment, but how do they stay similar to previous generations? If they contain the whole chromosome set I mean.
Well, what creates a strain? Where the cube was found can create a strain. Unique distinguishable characteristics can create a strain, and VENDORS can create a strain. Once a cube is given a new name, a strain is created.
Strains can and WILL vary from vendor to vendor (some differences are slight, some extreme) and sometimes strains are mixed up... and the wrong strain is sold under the wrong label.
The more we do NOW, to identify what makes a strain unique, the more vendors can do to insure the strains are what they say they are.
Unique strains are easier to track. If a strain has unique characteristics, a vendor can take steps to make sure the strain they sell still LOOKS like the strain it should look like.
A strain found in the wild is 1st generation, there is a LOT of genetic variety in a wild print. A strain grown from 1st generation prints is a 2nd generation strain... and so on. With EACH generation, a cultivator can make certain traits more prominent and reliable. There will be LESS variety when people grow the strain, and it is more likely to look like it should... but you loose the variety of a wild print.
This is a very simple overview of the process, surely others can offer more info.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#9918184 - 03/05/09 04:47 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I follow what you're saying. Thx
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: literberry]
#9918418 - 03/05/09 05:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Somebody should write up a list of strain standards. Like breed standards but for shrooms.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: irishspaniard]
#9919908 - 03/05/09 09:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: irishspaniard]
#9932843 - 03/08/09 10:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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irishspaniard said: Somebody should write up a list of strain standards. Like breed standards but for shrooms.
This would be grand idea,but everyone has such drastically different results that I don't think it will happen anytime soon,not only the strain but there are just way more other things that come into play with all the growing conditions and things
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Blutjager]
#9939202 - 03/09/09 11:57 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does any one have any knowledge on button mushrooms? I got a reality bender that seem to be only button mushrooms
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: DryHeat]
#9939220 - 03/09/09 12:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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bet that bends your reality on a good vendor. 
just messin. 
E-mail them and let them know it wasnt right. if in fact you have button mushies.
pics would help.
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