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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #9362427 - 12/03/08 10:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

yea, i still need lots more practice. and wat exaclty does isolate on agar mean? is it basically growing little bits of substrate with tiny amount of mycelium separately to reduce the number of different substrains in that mycelium?

and u had mentioned that most likely my dominant substrain was very weak. so if i hopefully get lucky next time, my dominant substrain in the next one could actually be a more potent one right? overshadowing the weaker substrains?


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: ibusturcherry]
    #9362735 - 12/03/08 11:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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wat exaclty does isolate on agar mean? is it basically growing little bits of substrate with tiny amount of mycelium separately to reduce the number of different substrains in that mycelium?




Sorta'...

At this point, the search function is your friend. Others have explained agar better than I can.

I am a fan of multispore. I like the craps shoot. I have never used agar. I've never grown for profit... so why bother? A good flush or two can last me a year... extremely potent or not.

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and u had mentioned that most likely my dominant substrain was very weak. so if i hopefully get lucky next time, my dominant substrain in the next one could actually be a more potent one right? overshadowing the weaker substrains?




Yes. Assuming your last grow did actually suck.

Remember, your friend had 1/2 as much as you and he and tripped balls. :wink:

I still think your shrooms are plenty potent. Don't rule 'em out after one SMALL dose.

Potency matters little when you grow your own. Not potent enough? Well... EAT MORE.

See? Simple.


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: P.Menace]
    #9363456 - 12/04/08 02:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

It might have been brought up somewhere in this 50+ page thread, but...


Does anyone have any experience with the Malabar strain that they'd care to share with me?  Or thoughts/opinions?


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: Hallucinogenist]
    #9365679 - 12/04/08 01:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Try the 3rd post in this 50 page thread. :smirk:

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Malabar India

Malabar is a unique cube.

It was discovered by 3M in Malabar, India.

The prints were given to several members of the online mushroom community and eventually, to vendors. The Shroomery's own Phrozendata, Roadkill and Thor all had a hand in domesticating this strain.

Malabar is known for its caps and veils. The veils may stay connected to the cap, even when the cap is fully mature. The cap itself is known to be dark in the center and it fades to a light yellow near the edge.

Malabar is a beautiful strain, known for its meaty stems.




Quite a few people say Malabar has a high potency, but there is no solid confirmation of this rumor.

For more info on this or any other strain, check my journal... just click the book icon next to my avatar.


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: Rose]
    #9372117 - 12/05/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Are blue meanies FUN to grow? I like the name of them so thats how I usually pick what to grow haha.

I want something that looks cool and does well on cakes.

I have done PESA and B+, so whatever.

I only  buy from Ralphsters, so try to pick something they have available.

Edit: Also, if any strain grows extraordinarily fast let me know that too :smile:


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: RasJeph]
    #9373242 - 12/05/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Research agar if you want a fast strain. Speed is mostly the cultivator's responsibility.

If you want a unique looking cube, don't grow Blue Meanies. Blue Meanies look like any other cube. Nothing special really. It is probably just another cube that was renamed by a shady vendor. Search for posts with "Keeper" and "Blue Meanie" to learn more.

I'm pretty sure you'd enjoy growing any of these strains VVV... and Ralph sells 'em all... if I am not mistaken.

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Malabar India

Malabar is a unique cube.

It was discovered by 3M in Malabar, India.

The prints were given to several members of the online mushroom community and eventually, to vendors. The Shroomery's own Phrozendata, Roadkill and Thor all had a hand in domesticating this strain.

Malabar is known for its caps and veils. The veils may stay connected to the cap, even when the cap is fully mature. The cap itself is known to be dark in the center and it fades to a light yellow near the edge.

Malabar is a beautiful strain, known for its meaty stems.


Redboy

Redboy was a popular cube a few decades ago but it was thought by many to be long lost. RogerRabbit had an old print and used almost all his spores attempting to get it to germinate. It was simply too old. He had to resort to crossing Redboy with Puerto Rican and a little rattle snake venom. It worked. Here's the story in RogerRabbit's own words:

"After 20 years of sleeping, the RedBoy lives! A mycological Coup d'Etat had to be pulled off to get this mushroom back after 20 years. The spores would simply NOT germinate.

Monokaryotic Puerto Rico mycelium was allowed to crawl over the non-germinating original 20 year old redboy spores in a petri dish, resulting in a 50/50 cross between the redboy spores and the PR mycelium, without the original spores ever germinating, which they were no longer capable of after 20 years.

Rattlesnake venom was added to the agar after cooling to weaken both the cell walls of the spores, and the cell walls of the mycelium, allowing the nucleus from each to exchange genetic information between them. The experiment was duplicated with the offspring, resulting in a 75% pure strain, which was then released to the public.

The result is a 'cross' between the original UNgerminated redboy spores and a cubensis from puerto rico. Even though this is a cross,(NOT hybrid since it's two strains of the same species) you can clearly see the red color of the spores.

Enjoy."

Redboy's red spores are supposedly darker than PF Redspore. According to RogerRabbit, Redboy also, bruises green.

A unique cube indeed. A lot of work went into bringing the Redboy back.

Available at www.ralphstersspores.com

Link to primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4520275#4520275


Koh Samui (and Koh Samui Super Strain)

Koh Samui was discovered by Mushroom John Allen.

According to www.thehawkseye.com

"Another great psilocybe mushroom brought to us by Enthomycologist John Allen from his travels through Thailand. This beauty was picked in the town of Hua Thanon on the island of Koh Samui."

Koh Samui is known for shorter than average fruits with meaty stems that are noticeably wider on the bottom than at the top. For its height, Koh Samui can have unusually large caps but Koh Samui from time to time, puts out some surprisingly normal looking fruits. Pins commonly have red tops with white spots. The caps turn red-brown with maturity.

Koh Samui Super Strain came from an isolated KS substrain. There is much debate over weather KSSS is actually a, "Super Strain". Some people swear by it, some long for the original. Some think it is less varied in appearance than the original. Your results may vary.

Many people are found of Koh Samui. It is usually easy to recognize from  picture alone. It is a great addition to any collection.

Penis Envy (Classic)
According to various sources including long-time Shroomerite, Mushroom John Allen (AKA mjshroomer), Penis Envy was discovered in Amazonian Columbia by Terrance McKenna and his brother.

Penis Envy was thought, by many, to be long lost until Mushroom John found a bulk print vendor, Rick Gee of MycoTech (see link at end of description), who was selling viable swabs* of PE. Long-time Shroomery Sponsors (including www.Sporeworks.com and www.thehawkseye.com) later, reintroduced Penis Envy in print and syringe form, to the public.

Today, many vendors sell Penis Envy.

PE has been successfully crossed with other strains, giving us new PE variations including PE #6 (Texas crossed with PE), PE Uncut (PE crossed with albino), and Albino PE (again, crossed with albino).

Since the cap rarely separates too far from the stem, a Penis Envy fruit can look like a circumcised penis.

Penis Envy often has a thick gnarly stem and releases very few spores.

With Penis Envy, just because you see fruits does not mean you will see spores. Penis Envy fruits are often sterile (few or no spores drop) and the gills of the sterile fruit can be light yellow in color (Instead of spore-filled and dark). Later flushes usually bring more spores than the early flushes, but often only a couple fruits drop spores.

Penis Envy fruits often grow slower than a typical cube (but your results can and WILL vary). Those thick stems can take a while to reach full maturity. The DENSE fruits don't shrink much when dried.

It is not uncommon for Penis Envy to flush the occasional ALBINO fruit.

Because it looks like a penis when fruited, Penis Envy is a love/hate strain. Many people have different opinions about this odd and unique cube.

*A sterile, cotton swab is sometimes rubbed along the gills to collect spores from hard to print strains.

Source link: http://www.sky-tribe.com/Uploads/st_42358_CULTIVATING_THE_SHROOM_WI

Penis Envy #6
Shroomery veteran RogerRabbit, "Crossed a standard PE with the Tex strain." The result was PE 6.

RogerRabbit's efforts were an attempt to create a PE strain which produced more spores... but the spores were accidentally released too early... when a few prints were unintentionally mailed out, in a stack of other prints.

Here's how RogerRabbit says PE 6 came to be.

"A single sector fruiting isolate of PE, and another of TEX were placed on a petri dish with rattlesnake venom added to the agar. The snake venom helped the two dikaryotic strains share genetic information to form a third sector, which was which was labeled PE6. Other Isolates of the PE were labeled PE 1-7, and apparently, some of the 6, which was the cross, were in the same batch of prints. The idea was to get a good spore producing PE, but I never had time to stabilize the strain due to accidentally releasing it early. That's why sometimes they look like texans and sometimes very much like PE."

PE 6 looks like a cross between Penis envy and Texans. The fruits often have LARGE caps, which open fully, unlike classic PE. They also produce spores. While the stems look quite a bit like PE. Thick and textured. Like little logs.

RogerRabbit confirms this description: "the caps that opened fully have fewer spores like PE, and they have the same gnarly stems too. Only the caps seem to be bigger and to open all the way."

Link to Primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7624855#7624855

Psilocybe Fanaticus Classic (PF Classic)
PF Classic is a sentimental favorite among many Cubensis enthusiasts. PF Classic peaked in popularity in the late 1990's through 2002.

According to Workman, "PF "Classic" was initially purchased by PF from the Homestead Company (one of the few cubensis spore sources at the time) around 1990. No one seems to be sure where the original wild spores were collected, but it has been suggested that they are of Matias Romero stock, which it does resemble."

PF's strains were almost lost to degeneration. Some wonder if the degeneration was due to black light exposure... but Workman suspects the PF strains are all infected with a fungal virus... which may contribute to PF Classic's propensity to mutate (PF Classic has spawned the PF Albino AND the PF Redspore) and degenerate.

PF Classic is not known to produce many spores. You may have to wait longer for PF Classic spore production to begin, than with most cubes. Once the cap breaks and the veil extends, you still may have to wait an extra day or so... before sporulation.

Professor Fanaticus created the PF Tek in 1991. This tek allowed people to cultivate mushrooms without a pressure cooker, grain, glove box or a flow hood. The PF Tek greatly simplified cubensis cultivation for hobby mycologists. The PF Tek is still very popular.

On Tuesday, February 18 2003 Professor Fanaticus' home was raided by the DEA (United States Drug Enforcement Agency).

Although selling cubensis spores is legal, it seems selling spores AND selling info on how to grow them was a problem for the American DEA. Compounding that problem, were the 11 grams of cubes and 2+ ounces of marijuana discovered during the raid.

Professor Fanaticus got off relatively easy (and he thanks his lawyer). He got 6 months of house detention and 3 years of probation. His wife was also given 3 years of probation. On Dec 14, 2006 the Professor's probation came to an end.

The Professor has recently turned 60 and now spends his time making music in the PNW.







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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: Rose]
    #9377348 - 12/06/08 04:19 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Alright here's a random question im curious about:

What strain has the largest noticable cap to stem ratio you guys have seen yet?

giant ball that caps look like ping pong balls in a bag when they're dry, lol.


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: large_dose]
    #9377351 - 12/06/08 04:31 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks man! I'll check out some of those!


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: large_dose]
    #9380271 - 12/06/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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large_dose said:
Alright here's a random question im curious about:

What strain has the largest noticable cap to stem ratio you guys have seen yet?

giant ball that caps look like ping pong balls in a bag when they're dry, lol.




That last line ^^^ is pretty confusing.

I've seen good bulbs on Koh Samui, PF Classic and even EQ... but I like to let the cap fully extend. I am not a fan of early picking. Sure you get a BIT more potency... but letting a shroom grow to full size gives you TWICE the bulk with only a little loss in potency. You get more psilocybin if you grow big.


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: Rose]
    #9381111 - 12/06/08 07:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

not confusing cervantes, think about it.

after huge caps are dried if picked early...
they will look the size of ping pong balls, "bulbs" like you said.


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: large_dose]
    #9381497 - 12/06/08 08:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Notice I answered your question?

I'm saying your word choice was confusing.

"giant ball that caps look like ping pong balls in a bag when they're dry, lol."

Giant ball that caps...? WTF? How does a ball cap?

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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: Rose]
    #9389037 - 12/07/08 10:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I once heard that the B+ was an azurescens and cubensis hybrid. I know this to be true.


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: tahoe]
    #9389043 - 12/07/08 10:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

are you joking?


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: LightShedder]
    #9389453 - 12/08/08 12:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

haha wow sorry, i typed that post fast and didnt re-read over it.
i usually try to stay very clear in my words.

"giant balls, the caps that look like ping pong balls in a bag when they're dry, lol."

there, thats more understandable, notice what adding a comma and moving one word can do.


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: LightShedder]
    #9390159 - 12/08/08 04:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Lol, his mood says cynical. So i guess it applies to that post. It seems that the rumour of B+ not being a cube strain but a cube/azure hybrid was once widespread. Still pops op from time to time.


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Re: Strain Discussion vendor hype [Re: spacel0rd]
    #9391075 - 12/08/08 09:38 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Taho likes to fuck with n00bs.

B+ is just a cube... but it is a good joke. And it is always good to see Tahoe in here!


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Newbee Strain Question [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9392532 - 12/08/08 02:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

What would be the best strain for a first timer?


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Re: Newbee Strain Question [Re: TaxCollector]
    #9393051 - 12/08/08 03:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

There is a highly sophisticated scientific method to find out exactly which is the best strain for YOU.

1) Write all the strains available to you on separate pieces of paper
2) put the pieces of paper in a hat
3) pick one

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Re: Newbee Strain Question [Re: dead]
    #9393065 - 12/08/08 03:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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dead said:
There is a highly sophisticated scientific method to find out exactly which is the best strain for YOU.

1) Write all the strains available to you on separate pieces of paper
2) put the pieces of paper in a hat
3) pick one

It NEVER fails.



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CapZilla said:
not sure what GE and FAE are but i should probably get some.

Citric said:
Your signature is wrong on colonization temps!

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ROOM TEMP 70-75 IS BEST FOR COLONIZATION
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Re: Newbee Strain Question [Re: TaxCollector]
    #9393170 - 12/08/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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What would be the best strain for a first timer?




Read any of the pages of this thread for endless discussion of your question.


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