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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: BZ3]
#9345805 - 12/01/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cervantes said: This is the wrong thread for discussing indoor azure cultivation. Also, don't talk about mailing shrooms in this forum... it is a no-no for what should be obvious reasons.
Anyway, good luck. Many try... only a handful are successful.
you're right. i apologize for that....and thanx for the luck....i tried starting a thread about this, but i cant make one until i have 30 posts or have been on for a month trust me i have read everything on this forum that i can find on the subject and i have a clear understanding what this will be like.....i just need some genberal clarification, and to be filled in on a few details....
Azures ARE potent... but if you want more potency... simply eat more cubes.
If you want success... grow both. Either way, the cubes will finish first.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: LouDog88]
#9345820 - 12/01/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cubes are cubes. Eat enough and you will trip... and see things that are not there.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#9348757 - 12/02/08 12:31 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Excuse me, I've never seen "things that are not there" while tripping... what I have experienced is an over-amplified sensual feedback. I have never seen what could be classidied as "hallucinations" on mushrooms. Visual distortions, eye candy etc. is what you can expect on sub-dissociative dosages... and I have yet to find that dissociative dosage on mushrooms.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dead]
#9349019 - 12/02/08 01:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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You will see things... if you take enough. Actually, it took me close to 100 trips before I began to hallucinate vividly... so dosage may not be the only reason one hallucinates.
But...
Even on a low dose you simply have to close your eyes to see things which are not there.
At least, practice can be fun.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#9349387 - 12/02/08 04:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Visual distortions are not hallucinations. If you see some vibrating colors, walls bubbling, sparkly things etc. those are visual distortions, or visuals (OEV:s and CEV:s = open and closed eye visuals). Hallucinations would be if you suddenly see a fish flying in from the window or Bart Simpson dancing on your living room floor.
Like I said I never saw hallucinations on mushrooms. AFAIK they only appear on massive dosages, upwards from 8-10 grams dry (of cubes).
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dead]
#9351473 - 12/02/08 01:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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While I agree with you, during a trip you rarely (if ever) see Mickey Mouse walk into your room and do a tap dance... that is NOT what hallucination is.
You never see faces in rocks and trees?
You never see fractals?
You never feel the presence of god?
Hallucination is not what American television might lead one to believe.
BUT, cubes are HALLUCINOGENS... and if you eat enough, you WILL hallucinate.
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=24170
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Definition of Hallucinogen
Hallucinogen: A drug that causes hallucinations (profound distortions in a person's perceptions of reality). Under the influence of hallucinogens, people see images, hear sounds, and feel sensations that seem real but do not exist. Some hallucinogens also produce rapid, intense emotional swings. Hallucinogens cause their effects by disrupting the interaction of nerve cells and the neurotransmitter serotonin. Distributed throughout the brain and spinal cord, the serotonin system is involved in the control of behavioral, perceptual, and regulatory systems, including mood, hunger, body temperature, sexual behavior, muscle control, and sensory perception.
LSD (an abbreviation of the German words for "lysergic acid diethylamide") is the drug most commonly identified with the term "hallucinogen" and the most widely used in this class of drugs. It is considered the typical hallucinogen, and the characteristics of its action and effects apply to the other hallucinogens, including mescaline, psilocybin, and ibogaine.
Anyway, this isn't the best thread for discussing such things. There's another forum for trip talk.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#9351578 - 12/02/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Creeper "The Martha Stewart High"
My creeper recently from cakes was terribly weak and they were beautiful monsters
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: talkingwalnut]
#9352200 - 12/02/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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sensations that seem real but do not exist
There you go. When you see visuals such as walls vibrating, or "faces" in a rock you know they're not real (I hope)... The definition of hallucination is a sensual distortion that you mistake for being real, such as the things you see in a deliriant state, or things you see or feel in a dissociative state.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#9355480 - 12/02/08 11:46 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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anyone hear of australian strain? not sure if i was given the right info. but here are some pics of australian that were cultivated. perhaps an experts opinion?


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: ibusturcherry]
#9356661 - 12/03/08 08:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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they look delicious and have the nippled caps that is supposed to come with the Australian Strain so I would say yes.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: bait_]
#9358054 - 12/03/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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glad someone has heard of this strain. do u know if this particular strain is very weak? because these fruits in the pics were very very weak. consumed 19g fresh and hardly a level 1 trip....very disappointing despite the fact they look beautiful
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: ibusturcherry]
#9360790 - 12/03/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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19g fresh is a low to mid level dose... although freshies are usually noticeably more potent than dry.
Search this thread for endless discussion about potency.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#9360827 - 12/03/08 07:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I trip balls off of 10 grams fresh. It seems a lot more potent then 1 gram dried of typical cubensis. There is more psilocin present in a fresh mushroom compared to if the same mushroom were to be dried. You will trip harder off of psilocin because your stomach does not break it down like psilocybin so the dose is more effective. 19 grams fresh should be a good trip of any cubensis regardless of the strain. If it was multispore then there is a good chance you just got shitty genetics randomly.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: LightShedder]
#9360838 - 12/03/08 07:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Exactly... thanks for saying it. I didn't want to type that all out once again.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#9360853 - 12/03/08 07:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah I should copy it so I can just paste it instead of type it out 5x a day. lol
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: LightShedder]
#9361409 - 12/03/08 08:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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LightShedder said: I trip balls off of 10 grams fresh. It seems a lot more potent then 1 gram dried of typical cubensis. There is more psilocin present in a fresh mushroom compared to if the same mushroom were to be dried. You will trip harder off of psilocin because your stomach does not break it down like psilocybin so the dose is more effective. 19 grams fresh should be a good trip of any cubensis regardless of the strain. If it was multispore then there is a good chance you just got shitty genetics randomly.
wait a sec. multi spore and shitty genetics...does this mean that the whole crop would be crap or just the ones i picked off and ate? because i think while i was not trippin, one of my friends actually tripped a lil harder. so does that mean he mightve eaten a few more potent shrooms than me?
please clarify, cuz if the whole crop itself is crap, then theres no point in me keeping the prints i made...correct?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: LightShedder]
#9361495 - 12/03/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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im really really anxious to try my hand at this again since my first grow wasnt a TOTAL failure.
but if the genetics in these shrooms are wasted, then i guess im shit outta luck. and in the area im in, no way of getting anymore spores..:(
although i did the first time, dont think i can go through all that hassle again for new spores.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: ibusturcherry]
#9361566 - 12/03/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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It is impossible to say what happened with your fresh trip.
Is your scale reliable?
Really, with low to mid range doses, your mood could get in the way... or the company you kept, or the food in your stomach. If you tripped recently, that could have limited your perception of potency.
Your friend simply could have been in a better mood.
Inexperienced trippers often have weaker trips their first few times. How experienced are you?
Also, there is some evidence that different people can react quite differently to the same strain.
Let me oversimplify:
Chances are, if it fruited well, the shrooms all came from similar genetics (but yes, multispore is a craps shoot... you could have grown weak but pretty cubes... it happens). The dominant myc usually takes over most of the substrate. With fruiting like yours, most of your myc seems to share the same genetics.
Just be careful, don't overcompensate TOO much with your next dose. They may still surprise you. Remember small to mid range doses don't always kick in like they should... but when they do...
Next time, use some spores on agar, and select... you'll find potency in those spores somewhere. 
And PRINT the good ones. You may find a friend in a better place to help you trade. You never know. Those spores don't need to go to waste.
The genetics of your spores are NOT wasted... it takes TWO spores to make a mycelial baby... if you will. Perhaps yours was a weak child. Get it? Your next batch could be much better.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#9361843 - 12/03/08 09:11 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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that helps a lot. im pretty experienced in tripping on shrooms so i knew what to expect. this was the first time however ive ever consumed any that were fresh.
and i hear a lot about how people say to take prints off of the shrooms that are potent and good. my question is how can u know if that particular shroom itself is potent? i mean if i eat it and test it out, there goes my chance of making a spore print from it right?
and my scale shouldve worked properly, i mean the 19g fresh consisted of about 5 shrooms, stems and caps. and those were the ones that were the biggest from the group, but those all grew to bout the same size anyway.
and i kno for a fact when i ate them i hadnt tripped for awhile because it took me about 1-2 months to get them fruited to in my stomach with no trips within that time frame.
but HOPEFULLY, the prints i took will i guess make a stronger mycelium growth?
since im still pretty new to this, wat exactly are 'multispores'? plus u mentioned that diff. types of mycelium growths within the same substrate? does that mean that different spots in the mycelium will grow diff. strengths of shrooms? very interesting. so if they all share the same genetics, that means it will most likely grow crap again the next time around am i correct?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: ibusturcherry]
#9361983 - 12/03/08 09:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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ibusturcherry said: i hear a lot about how people say to take prints off of the shrooms that are potent and good. my question is how can u know if that particular shroom itself is potent? i mean if i eat it and test it out, there goes my chance of making a spore print from it right?
Just get some prints from some of your nicest cubes. Look for your favorite printing tek. Make as many as you want... then dry your caps after printing and add them back into your dry stash.
Look, if Aussie cubes are THAT weak, you'd find threads all over the place saying they are.
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but HOPEFULLY, the prints i took will i guess make a stronger mycelium growth?
It is quite likely. Especially if you isolate on agar.
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since im still pretty new to this, wat exactly are 'multispores'?
When you inoculate a jar with spore solution, you use thousands if not millions of spores. Hence, multispore.
I'm not the best person to explain what happens next... but basically every two spores that pair, start to grow a unique substrain... and the strongest, fastest growing substrains tend to dominate your jar. It is possible, with your last grow, your dominant substrain was not very potent.
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does that mean that different spots in the mycelium will grow diff. strengths of shrooms? very interesting.
This CAN happen... but like I said, one substrain tends to be dominant.
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so if they all share the same genetics, that means it will most likely grow crap again the next time around am i correct?
Quite possible... BUT they are cubes. Again, if you use AGAR, you can select SEVERAL good substrains and test each one until you find a more potent strain.
Also, it is possible that you just had a dud trip, for whatever reason.
I am prone to weak trips whenever I trip with a friend and they get blown away by the shrooms before I do. As soon as this happens, I waste my trip wondering why I am not tripping as hard as my friend... instead of just going along for the ride.
When friends eat shrooms that I've grown, I can STILL get in my own way. I tend to be SO concerned about THEIR experience I forget to have one of my own.
I think your cubes are stronger than YOU think. 
I think your mind was not in the right place. For perhaps, the silliest of reasons.
At least it is fun to practice.
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