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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: topad] 1
#8000759 - 02/09/08 03:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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It will work. If the terrarium is too small, the mushrooms will just look funny... but they'll still grow.
That said, there are better terrariums than the PMT (Do a search of THIS website)... and this really isn't the thread to ask cultivation questions. You want the forum outside this thread.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose] 1
#8001853 - 02/09/08 06:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i seen B+ in a 1 liter on a cake
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#8005043 - 02/10/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here are THREE new descriptions!!! PF Classic, PF Albino and PF Redspore! All have been added to my journal. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Journal/117267
Look 'em over, and please, let me know if I have stated anything incorrectly. Each of these, "Strains" has an interesting story... and with the possible exception of PF Classic, they are ALL unique.
Enjoy!
Also, thanks to Workman for your help on this project, and your past posts about these particular, "Strains". You have been QUITE informative.
Psilocybe Fanaticus Classic (PF Classic) PF Classic is a sentimental favorite among many Cubensis enthusiasts. PF Classic peaked in popularity in the late 1990's through 2002.
According to Workman, "PF "Classic" was initially purchased by PF from the Homestead Company (one of the few cubensis spore sources at the time) around 1990. No one seems to be sure where the original wild spores were collected, but it has been suggested that they are of Matias Romero stock, which it does resemble."
PF's strains were almost lost to degeneration. Some wonder if the degeneration was due to black light exposure... but Workman suspects the PF strains are all infected with a fungal virus... which may contribute to PF Classic's propensity to mutate (PF Classic has spawned the PF Albino AND the PF Redspore) and degenerate.
PF Classic is not known to produce many spores. You may have to wait longer for PF Classic spore production to begin, than with most cubes. Once the veil breaks and the cap extends, you still may have to wait an extra day or so... before sporulation.
Professor Fanaticus created the PF Tek in 1991. This tek allowed people to cultivate mushrooms without a pressure cooker, grain, glove box or a flow hood. The PF Tek greatly simplified cubensis cultivation for hobby mycologists. The PF Tek is still very popular.
On Tuesday, February 18 2003 Professor Fanaticus' home was raided by the DEA (United States Drug Enforcement Agency).
Although selling cubensis spores is legal, it seems selling spores AND selling info on how to grow them was a problem for the American DEA. Compounding that problem, were the 11 grams of cubes, minuscule grow op, and 2+ ounces of marijuana discovered during the raid.
Professor Fanaticus got off relatively easy (and he thanks his lawyer). He got 6 months of house detention and 3 years of probation. His wife was also given 3 years of probation. On Dec 14, 2006 the Professor's probation came to an end.
The Professor recently turned 60 and now spends his time playing guitar in the Seattle area.
Source links: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/2111034#2111034 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6670033#6670033
Psilocybe Fanaticus Albino (AKA PF Albino or PFA) The PF Albino is an albino variant of the PF Classic strain.
PFA fruits, the albinos at least, are waxy white in color, and bruise blue very easily.
Originally sold by Professor Fanaticus for a limited time, the albino was thought to be lost after the Professor's infamous strain degeneration and Federal case.
According to Workman, "The PF Albino appeared in 2000 and was sold by fanaticus.com for a short time, but was discontinued due to strain degeneration. The degeneration was blamed on UV (black) light exposure. I was fortunate enough to get a print of this strain soon after its release and kept it in cold storage until 2005."
Despite the claims that these mutations are different species because of changes in spore color, they are in fact still Psilocybe Cubensis.
www.sporeworks.com sells a version of the PFA which comes from 1998 spores, well before the degeneration of PF's strains. The PFA has been reintroduced to the world of mycology.
From multispore, about 25-50% of fruits will be albino. If you want an ALL albino flush, you'll need to isolate, or clone.
Pigmented PFA's drop more spores than the albino fruits. While the albino fruits CAN drop spores, the spores can be few and far between. Also, albino spores are CLEAR. To print an albino fruit, you'll want to print to foil or glass (or as a last resort, dark paper)... otherwise, you may not be able to see the spores at all.
Link to primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4171176#4171176
Psilocybe Fanaticus Redspore (AKA PF Redspore... or just Redspore) The PF Redspore is a variation of the PF Classic which produces brownish/red spores... instead of the purple/brown/black spores which are common for Psilocibe Cubensis. PF Redspore is not to be confused with Redboy, which is a DIFFERENT cube with red spores.
According to Workman, "The PF Redspore spontaneously appeared in a tray of PF Classic around 1996 but wasn't released until 2006. This was well after the www.fanaticus.com raid of February 18th 2003."
PF Redspore lacks the pigmentation to create darker spores and is an interesting addition to any collection.
Link to primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6670033#6670033
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose] 1
#8010372 - 02/11/08 07:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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OKAY so like... let's settle this
I'm not arguing that azurescen/flying saucers are the strongest mushrooms.
P. azurenscens P. bohemica P. semilanceata P. baeocystis P. cyanescens . P. tampanensis P. cubensis P. weilii . P. hoogshagenii . P. stuntzii .P. cyanofibrillosa . P. liniformans .-Erowid
many people argue that pan cyans are the second strongest mushroom ever some heavy weights. I think Wiccan said Pans are 5-6 x stronger than Cubensis. mjshroomer made simular claims which is John Allan?
Just how strong are pan cyans compared to cubensis?
Is it worth harvesting pan cyans considering the yields are a fraction of that you'd get from cubensis?
Any data on yield of pan cyans per weight of substrate vs cubensis?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid] 1
#8010513 - 02/11/08 07:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pan cyans are cool. If you wish to grow them, by all means do. If you wish to eat them, do that too... just trip smart.
If you wish to have LARGE flushes per amount of substrate used, try a sclerotia producer from the Mexicanae family. You will get stones... AND you can grow fruits as well. It is NO more difficult to fruit a sclerotia producer than it is to fruit Pan Cyans... and like pan cyans, Mexicanae shrooms pack quite a punch... PLUS you get extra bulk from sclerotia!
If you just want sclerotia... it can all be done in vitro!
When it comes to yield, Cubes outperform Pan Cyans... and Mexicanae (Tampanensis, Atlantis #7 and ESPECIALLY Mexicana A Strain) outperforms Cubensis.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose] 1
#8010758 - 02/11/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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mexicana gets more yield than cubes? In fruits?
I heard the sclerotia yields nearly as much as the dry weight of your substrate fresh.
EX. 100g rye grass seed = 98 grams sclerotia fresh = 29.4 grams dry sclerotia. I've actually thought of making a incubator solely for sclerotia as it takes like 3-4 months...
I have a pan cyan syringe already. I don't have any horse dung though. I can get straw but I heard you want around 10% of your substrate to be horse dung.
complications. how would you compare the potency of mexicana or pan cyans to cubes?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid] 1
#8010928 - 02/11/08 09:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you count sclerotia as fruits, then yes. Mexicana does out-yield cubes... and it does so in vitro!
No need to incubate... room temp is fine. You can't incubate for 4 months in a jar... that much heat over that much time will dry 'em out!
Fresh Mexicanae shrooms are more potent per gram than the sclerotia... but I can't scientifically compare the potency with Pan Cyans. My gut says Pan Cyans have a slight edge. Either mushroom is QUITE potent. I can say THAT much with certainty.
IMO, pan cyan and mexicanae mushrooms (not sclerotia) lose a LOT of potency when dried.
Here's a post I made a while ago on the potency of sclerotia.
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How potent is sclerotia when compared with cubensis?
It depends.
Fresh sclerotia is 2x as potent as fresh cubensis... gram for gram.
Dry sclerotia is 2/3 as potent as dry cubensis gram for gram.
"WTF?", you ask.
No, mexicana doesn't lose a HUGE amount of potency when it is dried.
When fresh, Mexicana sclerotia is 30% dry matter and only 70% water. Compare this to a fresh cube which is 90% water and only 10% dry matter. When you eat fresh sclerotia... for every bite you take, you are eating 3X as much fungus per bite than you do when you chew on a fresh cube.
Once dried, the potency comparison changes completely. Without the water, a dry gram of sclerotia is 100% dry matter and a gram of cubensis is 100% dry matter too. Duh! So a dry gram of sclerotia contains the same amount of dry matter as a dry gram of cubensis. Simple.
Dry sclerotia is only 2/3 as potent as dry cubensis.
That is how it is.
What follows is some simple math. Perhaps this will make more sense to some people.
If cubensis potency = 1
Then, sclerotia potency = 2/3 = .66666666666
If fresh sclerotia contains 3X as much dry matter per gram as fresh cubensis,
Then, fresh sclerotia = .66666666666 X 3 = 2
Fresh sclerotis is 2X as potent as cubensis.
Phwew, the math part's done.
It is important you understand before you eat any.
As for mexicana shrooms, I hear they are very potent... almost as potent as pan cyans!
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose] 1
#8011280 - 02/11/08 10:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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interesting.
i've been curious about pan cyans and mexicana for a while now I wonder waht the fruit yield of pan cyan or mexicana fruits are like though. and how there true potency is.
Im going to hunt down some more info.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid] 1
#8011298 - 02/11/08 10:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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alright,
so according to this link
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml
P. cyanescens = .85% psilocybin and .36% psilocin P. cubensis = .63% psilocybin and .60% psilocin
Psilocybin breaks down into psilocin in your body before being active? If that is so according to this reference both these mushrooms seem relatively simular in potency.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid] 1
#8011869 - 02/12/08 02:15 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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And the Shroomery Dosage Calculator has different values entirely. It makes Pan Cyans look twice as potent as cubes, and mexicanae shrooms to be similar in strength to cubes.
http://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mushroom-Dosage-Calculator
Go figure...
I guess, no matter how much you read, you should play it safe the first time you dose with a new type of fungus.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose] 1
#8011984 - 02/12/08 03:38 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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variable 1 = .8 variable 2 = .5 trip lvl 5
pan cyan = 2.79g azurescen = 2.41g mexicana = 5.00g cubensis = 4.92g mex sclt = 6.73
assuming this is accurate which it very well could be as pan cyans are slightly less potent than azurescens and mexicana scletora which is around 2/3 as potent as cubes dry.
I wonder where these figures came from, but they seem like they could be accurate in optimal conditions.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: topad] 1
#8011990 - 02/12/08 03:47 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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topad said: I think this is the right place to ask this question... I am a total newbie to growing, and was thinking of ordering the B+ strain from hawkeye. I understand that this mushroom gets to be fairly large, and was wandering if it is possible to use the "poor man's" terrarium described here http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/Tryptamines/Psilocybian/gg32/mmgg.htm since the B+ get so large, and 2 liter bottles are not. Thanks.
Just go with a 10 gal aquarium or a Styrofoam box, because perlite is messy and you don't wanna deal with those little 2L bottles. Look at the basic growing chamber on http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/Tryptamines/Psilocybian/gg32/mmgg.htm use perlite for your humidity, plexi for the drip shield and plexi for the sunroof and if you dont have room for a mesh tray for your cakes just use jar lids or tin foil. A styrofoam box would be nice because the light pinning trigger has to come from the top and it's cheap as dirt. A 10gal aquarium if you can find one for ~10$ would be cool too because it looks better but in no way is it more functional.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid] 1
#8012106 - 02/12/08 05:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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flavoraid said:
many people argue that pan cyans are the second strongest mushroom ever. I think Wiccan said Pans are 5-6 x stronger than Cubensis. mjshroomer made simular claims which is John Allan?
I think you are confusing Psilocybe Cyanescens with Copelandia Cyanescens(Pan Cyans).
many people believe that Psilocybe Cyanescens are the 2nd strongest species... and some believe it could be the strongest. Including John Allen...mjshroomer.
and you should check the info that Wiccan_Seeker said again... since I know that he grows Psilocybe Cyanescens.
there is alot of confusion when it comes to these 2 species...
p. cyans = Psilocybe Cyanescens.... not Pan Cyanescens.
here is some info on both...
Psilocybe Cyanescens
Copelandia Cyanescens
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Roadkill] 1
#8012164 - 02/12/08 06:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh duh, that makes sense thanks a lot roadkill. so that would conflict with the chart listed on erowid
BUT....
using the dosage calculator pan cyans are listed as the full name and shows they are only slightly less potent than azurescens
Psilocybe cyanescens = outdoor only?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid] 1
#8012642 - 02/12/08 10:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've eaten Ps. Cyanescens from four different countries of Europe and one time some that came from Seattle. In my very own opinion, the ones I find in Germany are stronger than the other ones I've eaten, which surprised me quiet a lot, but then again, I've heard people say, that they harvest them every year, and the keep being quiet weak, in comparison to others they've eaten, so there seem to be differences in potency, depending on where the fruits come from. I can't say that "mine" are the strongest ones, since they might have been a little more fresh than the other ones, or I was just lucky, but the circumstances they were consumed in were more or less identical.
All I can say is, that I had GREAT times with this species. In my opinion it provides the nicest trip of all the species I had yet, which were the following:
- Ps. cubensis - Ps. Azurescens - Ps. Cyanescens - Ps. Semilanceata - Ps. Mexicana - Ps. Bohemica - Pan. Cyanescens - Pan. subbalteatus
The Azures were the strongest ones by far, although I don't really like their kind of trip, which sometimes is too rough to enjoy it. Pan. Cyanescens are also very nice and very visual, without being too mind fucking. As I said, Ps. Cyanescens are my favorite mushrooms to trip on, since their trip is very moving and colourful (so great visuals), a VERY nice body high and they seem not to fuck with your mind at all. I also like Ps. Semilanceata very much, though they very VERY much in potency, which can be quiet annoying, since you have either a shitty or a too strong trip (hihi, I never dosed correctly yet ).
Cubes are very exhausting in my opinion, since you need quiet some for a nice and moving trip, while the dose you need for that, often causes disorientation etc. (in my opinion as well as in the ones of my tripping buddies).
I only Pan. subbs, Ps. bohemica and Ps. mexicana once, the subbs and the Mexicans weren't too cool, while the bohemica were also quiet rough BUT very visual. The down comming was VERY unpleasant but that's something that happens from time to time and no criterion to "rate" a mushroom. I guess I had too little of the Ps. mexicans and the subbs were just not too cool... Dunno how to say it... It just didn't feel right.
Anyway, after all that above talked bull shit, my opinion on Potency (at least of the mushrooms I had yet)is as followed:
- Ps. azurescens - Pan. cyanescens - Ps. bohemica - Ps. cyanescens - Ps. semilanceta - Ps. cubensis - Ps. mexicana - Pan. subbalteatus
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose] 1
#8012838 - 02/12/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cervantes, thanks, for the info, keep up the good work. I've learned alot from this thread and respect your opinions alot.
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#8013138 - 02/12/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you dill.
I am human and I do appreciate a nice compliment.
It is good to know you and others are actually reading the stuff I've written.
It is time to put an end to some myths!
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose] 1
#8014570 - 02/12/08 07:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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cervantes ftw!
what's the best mexicana strain on the market?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid] 1
#8016222 - 02/13/08 01:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like Mexicana A for its sclerotia production... but Atlantis #7, Jalisco and Tampanensis also sound quite good.
I believe Atlantis is known to be the fastest growing and a good stone producer.
Tampanensis is known to be the slowest and a quality stone producer... although not the bulkiest it is no slouch, either. Tampanensis sclerotia is supposed to be a bit more potent than the others.
I don't know how fast Jalisco colonizes and produces stones. It isn't known to be a HUGE stone producer, but Jalisco is supposed to be relatively easy to fruit and print indoors.
Mexicana A isn't fast but it isn't slow, it can be tricky to fruit and print, but it puts out more stones than the others... on average.
So, they all have their problems and their good qualities. The choice is yours. For the most bulk in the least time, Atl 7 and Mex A are the two most popular.
I don't have intimate knowledge of ALL these different strains... so please, take my opinions with a grain of salt. Still, I am a huge fan of Mexicanae and I've done my research.
Here's a quote from Workman. He knows this stuff better than I do.
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Workman said: Atlantis isolate #7 (ATL#7) is very popular at the moment. It seems to be the fastest and most reliable and fruits well with good spore production.
Mexicana Strain A is the original workhorse for sclerotia production. It can very productive but is slightly less reliable than ATL#7 with the occassional low yield jar. It is also more difficult to fruit.
Tampanensis is the slowest growing and least productive of the three species but the sclerotia quality is highly rated. It is easier to get mushrooms than Mexicana A, but they are often deformed and sporeless. A relatively new isolate (Tamp#3) produces normal looking mushrooms with good spore production.
Other sclerotia formers:
Mexicana strain B, poor sclerotia yield, easy to fruit with massive amounts of small mushrooms but poor spore production.
Mexicana Jalisco, moderate sclerotia yield, easy to fruit, large mushrooms with good spore production.
And from RogerRabbit:
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RogerRabbit said: Personally, I prefer mexicana a, or jalisco, over tamps or atlantis. RR
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RogerRabbit said: In my experience, Atanta doesn't produce quite as much sclerotia as Mex a. I can get 1/3 of a jar of sclerotia for each jar of grain. With Mex a, it's about half a jar of sclerotia from a jar of grains. I'd suggest forgetting about the bag for another month or two, and then break it up to get your stones out. You can always stick a few pieces of scerotia into a flower pot if you want some fruits. RR
From what I've seen, Mexicanae can vary greatly from one, "Strain" to another. More so than Cubensae. I'm surprised more people don't give 'em a look. They are VERY user friendly.
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Edited by Rose (02/13/08 03:03 AM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose] 1
#8016439 - 02/13/08 07:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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can't find mexicana a from any sponsors I guess I could get jalisco from sporeworks.
sporeworks also has mexicana strain b for 28$ for a syringe... hmm?
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