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Rose
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#9100551 - 10/19/08 03:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are too many reasons for different results from one grow to another.
Surely strain is PART of the big picture...
But, like I have said FAR TOO MANY TIMES in this thread, there is little to no credible research that has been done on the differences from one strain to another. Also, with more and more strains being released into the market every month... it is virtually impossible to keep up to date.
What we do know is multispore results vary far more than isolates. Work with ANY strain for long enough, and you should come up with an isolate that is quite good.
We also know growth parameters such as moisture and fresh air... casing depth... amount of substrate used, quality of your isolate... etc... have MUCH MORE TO DO WITH YIED than the STRAIN you choose.
Another reason why people don't talk too openly about yield here is: People who want to find the fastest growing, best producing strain... are usually looking to make $$$... something The Shroomery frowns upon for what should be obvious reasons.
If you want bulk, look at Mexicanae... cubes are cubes. If you want rapid growth, isolate, isolate, ISOLATE... and give your cubes the proper growth parameters.
I am running out of ways to say the same thing over and over.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#9100879 - 10/19/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I first noticed pins a week ago and my biggest one out of what must be hundreds of smaller ones, is still only around two inches.
I was looking around and saw a few people state that Treasure Coast is a slow grower.
Can anyone confirm this?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: mithrandir]
#9100900 - 10/19/08 05:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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TC was not slow for me.
on Cultivating concepts sig. substrate. its all i use.
cause I didnt like them... its superficial and subjective
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These are the significant differences I see. Mycelium agressiveness Yield Tendency to abort Length of primordia formation period Attachment to the substrate (ease of harvesting)
those are all things that can be worked out with a good isolate... looks to me like you listed the traits you want most.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: P.Menace]
#9101049 - 10/19/08 06:07 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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what do you think is holding up the growth time?
I suppose it's FAE. I have them in a closet, but I fan them at least four times a day, and more when I'm home on the weekends.
Otherwise, rh is fine, temps are a bit low i suppose, around 70 give or take a degree.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: mithrandir]
#9101952 - 10/19/08 09:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep keep your RH at a consistant level and be sure to keep up the FAE
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: QuantumReality]
#9102433 - 10/19/08 11:36 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok question about strains now so lets set up a situation first: you have a cake of every cube strain all grown on brf and all conditions exactly the same for every cake all fruits are dried exactly the same.
so all the cakes are grown exactly the same in prime conditions... which strain would be bigger and which strain would be more potent
im sure its not that big of a difference but i am curious
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Rose
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: the walrus]
#9102442 - 10/19/08 11:39 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can you at least make an attempt to either read the first few pages of this thread... or the last several posts... before asking the exact same question that has been asked and answered at least fifty times in this thread?
Do you honestly think you are the first to ask this question?
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Edited by Rose (10/20/08 12:41 AM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: P.Menace]
#9103148 - 10/20/08 08:24 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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These are the significant differences I see. Mycelium agressiveness Yield Tendency to abort Length of primordia formation period Attachment to the substrate (ease of harvesting)
those are all things that can be worked out with a good isolate... looks to me like you listed the traits you want most.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say "worked out". Are you implying that you can shift the genetics in the direction that you wish to by testing and selecting isolates?
I was just trying to make the point that, although "a cube is a cube", there are sometimes significant differences between types. Maybe no cubes are more sensitive to CO2 than other cubes, but there are some (other) consistent differences.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#9103951 - 10/20/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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if you isolate a strain so that its a fighter, thats exactly what it will do for you. a good isolate will make your mouth water
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: QuantumReality]
#9104364 - 10/20/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dizzwizzle said: if you isolate a strain so that its a fighter, thats exactly what it will do for you. a good isolate will make your mouth water
I don't understand your comment. "so that it's a fighter"? I assume you are putting isolates thru an evaluation and then selecting?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#9104772 - 10/20/08 03:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Someone needs to read up on what an Isolate is.
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Re: If I shove a PE inside her will she trip from the dick??lol [Re: rizingfire]
#9105397 - 10/20/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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later jeetarded
Edited by Prisoner#1 (10/20/08 06:03 PM)
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P.Menace
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: RRiswrong]
#9105413 - 10/20/08 05:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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when will this end with quickpick?
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Edited by Roadkill (10/20/08 06:21 PM)
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Rose
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Re:Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: RRiswrong]
#9105429 - 10/20/08 05:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good fer yeeeeeeeeeeeew!
I don't see why you posted all that in a thread RR largely ignores. Ever heard of a PM? Or filing a complaint? Or simply shutting the fuck up?
As for your comments... look. People here like results. If people use RR's teks it is simply because they provide better results than other teks. It has nothing to do with blindly following some guy. It has everything to do with results.
If you have any better teks, POST THEM. Go ahead. PROVE RR wrong.
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Edited by Roadkill (10/20/08 06:21 PM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: P.Menace]
#9105897 - 10/20/08 07:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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P.Menace said: Someone needs to read up on what an Isolate is.
I don't understand your use of the term "fighter". What do you mean? Are you speaking of mycelium aggressiveness, or some different trait? I've never heard of the term.
Can you share the definition of "fighter" and how you select for such a trait? Selecting isolates may shift the gene pool, but I do not agree that you can change an inherent trait significantly by making isolation selections. Even if you do hundreds.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#9106049 - 10/20/08 07:48 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Who used the word "Fighter" as a term?
I assume tho that it would mean the aggressive, rhizomorphic fast growing mycelium would fit that 'term'
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Selecting isolates may shift the gene pool, but I do not agree that you can change an inherent trait significantly by making isolation selections. Even if you do hundreds.
Selecting isolates is just that.
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In the context of evolution, certain traits or alleles of a species may be subject to selection. Under selection, individuals with advantageous or "adaptive" traits tend to be more successful than their peers reproductively--meaning they contribute more offspring to the succeeding generation than others do. When these traits have a genetic basis, selection can increase the prevalence of those traits, because offspring will inherit those traits from their parents. When selection is intense and persistent, adaptive traits become universal to the population or species, which may then be said to have evolved.
You are not attempting "change" the results of any gene, you are simply selecting mycelium that Possesses favorable traits Rhizomorphic vs. Tomatose Fast growing vs. Slow growing Fast pinning vs. Slow pinning
and Yes all of these individual isolates must be taken all the way thru the fruiting stage to find the final results. now you dont need the search enging to figure out how all this works, cause i got annoyed and put it all right here
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: P.Menace]
#9108335 - 10/21/08 03:25 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey, does anyone have any experience with Pensacola? I got it as a bonus, really, because of Lil' Shop's 2 for 1 deal. I'm mainly doing B+ for my first grow, but any spare jars will be knocked up with Pensacola. I sorta want to know what I'm getting into with it, but I haven't found a single definitive post about it.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: P.Menace]
#9108705 - 10/21/08 08:09 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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P.Menace said: Who used the word "Fighter" as a term?
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Dizzwizzle said, "If you isolate a strain so that its a fighter..."
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P.Menace said: You are not attempting "change" the results of any gene, you are simply selecting mycelium that Possesses favorable traits Rhizomorphic vs. Tomatose Fast growing vs. Slow growing Fast pinning vs. Slow pinning
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By testing and selecting isolates from multispore culture, you are evaluating a wide range of genetic variability and selecting what you want. It would be like representing the heights of all Chinese American citizens on a bell curve distribution. Most Chinese American's would fall near the median, but some would be at the extremes - at the ends of the curve. Although there are some tall Chinese American's, even if you selected and bred only tall Chinese American's, it would take many eons to breed a community of tall Chinese American's. Yes, you can shift the frequency of genes in a particular direction (more or less), but changing traits significantly can take hundreds of thousands of generations or much longer...the stuff of evolution. I think you can shift traits, but I don't believe you can change a slow pinner into a fast pinner via isolate selection. I may be wrong. My experience is in breeding vegetables. Has anyone ever turned a fast spore dropper to a slow one? Has anyone ever turned a heavy-aborter into a non-aborter? A poor yielder into a good yielder?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#9109546 - 10/21/08 12:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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lulz gotta luv this thread <3  an enlightening read as always :P
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: spacel0rd]
#9130119 - 10/25/08 01:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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redboy or redspore? what one gives off the darkest prints?
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