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wisp

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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: tahoe]
#8468107 - 05/31/08 05:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I heard that was not true. It wouldn't make sense for it to be able to get as large as it can if it was crossed with an azurescens.
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P.Menace
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: wisp]
#8468146 - 05/31/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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and would be way more potent... thats also why its called Psilocybe Cubensis B+ right?
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flavoraid
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: P.Menace]
#8468647 - 05/31/08 08:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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P.Menace said: and would be way more potent... thats also why its called Psilocybe Cubensis B+ right?
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tripsis said: I heard that was not true. It wouldn't make sense for it to be able to get as large as it can if it was crossed with an azurescens.
so if two tall half black half white people with short parents have a kid theres no way the kid will look white and be short?
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wisp

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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid]
#8468678 - 05/31/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, but there are still no typically azurescens-like characteristics that I am aware of in B+, and after numerous generations one would expect at least some to be apparent.
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flavoraid said: so if two tall half black half white people with short parents have a kid theres no way the kid will look white and be short?
Furthermore, two humans mating and having offspring is the equivalent of two cubensis strains mating and having offspring: they are the same species. Your example is completely flawed in that you are talking about two parents of mixed decent of the same species, not two entirely diffent species.
P. azurescens and P. cubensis are two different species. It is more akin to humans and chimpanzees having offspring, and in that case you would expect the offspring to have traits very apparent of both parents.
Edited by wisp (05/31/08 09:02 PM)
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Juke Adro
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: wisp]
#8468776 - 05/31/08 09:14 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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spot on
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flavoraid
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: wisp]
#8469490 - 06/01/08 12:15 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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tripsis said: you would expect the offspring to have traits very apparent of both parents.
traits very apparent of both parents?
unless B+ is amazingly potent which it's not.
what sort of triats does it display similar to azures?
not arguing with your statement other than I don't think B+ is a azure/cube cross.
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Rose
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid]
#8469679 - 06/01/08 01:32 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks Tahoe for opening THIS can of worms... again... 
Here's some of what I've dug up in my strain journal.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7955887/an/0/page/0
B+ is known for its LARGE fruits. You will need a well hydrated cake/casing/tub to get the MOST out of b+... otherwise the shrooms may look a bit stringy... and they may not reach their full potential.
Mr G... who, "Created" B+ swears it is a cube/azure hybrid... MOST people disagree with this statement... and chalk it up as a marketing ploy.
Nobody knows exactly where B+ came from... as far as I can tell.
B+ can be SLOWER growing than many other brand name cubes (but like EVERY cube, your experience may vary)... but it has been commonly known as a good strain for BEGINNING cultivators.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/612446#612446
This thread is an interesting read... including a rant from the Infamous Mr. G. The man who allegedly started the rumor that he combined a cube with an azure, to create B+
He is also soundly rebutted in that thread.
Here's another http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/66463#66463 Good read.
Mr. G doesn't sound very accurate, to me... but his posts are pretty entertaining.
Enjoy.
The myth of B+ origins have become legend. I am happy to post these threads, and let y'all make up your own minds.
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P.Menace
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#8470037 - 06/01/08 05:31 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mr. G had broken his back at some point in time and the meds ran him crazy... you can almost see it in his posts as the injury took the man downhill.
I believe its a simple cubensis strain myself
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wisp

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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid]
#8470091 - 06/01/08 06:24 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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flavoraid said:
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tripsis said: you would expect the offspring to have traits very apparent of both parents.
traits very apparent of both parents?
unless B+ is amazingly potent which it's not.
what sort of triats does it display similar to azures?
not arguing with your statement other than I don't think B+ is a azure/cube cross.
WTF?! I am arguing that it is not a hydrid, NOT the other way around! I was saying that it does not express traits similar to azurescens. Please read posts more carefully before replying next time.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: wisp]
#8470180 - 06/01/08 07:54 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ppl make up all kinds of bullshit about different strains,some of it is true some isn't but don't believe anything till you grow them out(And eat them)yourself,I feel STRONGLY that strains are not only different at times but that some are not even remotely similar to others as far as trips go,growth parameters are quite similar for all cubes but thats about where it ends,you will never hear "A cube is a cube" from me and I cringe every time I see someone else say it on here to people who don't know any better yet,same as "If they are blue they are more potent" or worst of all "Start with cakes"  
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wisp

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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Blutjager]
#8471619 - 06/01/08 04:17 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree that strains may be different at times, and give different trips.
For one, what you receive as a B+ may be an Amazon, etc, etc. People no doubt label strains incorrectly sometimes and someone will end up growing it out expecting it to look one way but it'll look completely different.
Each strain can express great variability too, so even if you have a strain which you know what it is for sure you can still end up with a huge variety of different looking fruits. This is made more apparent by people isolating and isolating and then spreading their isolates around under the same name because at the end of the day an isolate selectivey breed for specific traits is going to end up looking and giving a different trip to the original wild strain. It is to be expected that different strains give different trips, but to me there is no evidence to suggest B+ is a cube and azures hybrid.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: wisp]
#8489117 - 06/05/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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What strain should i use if my incubation temp is going to be a little low? Also, i will be fruiting outdoors in southeastern TN with about 90 degree weather with 60-70% humidity but it will be heavily shaded... Is outdoor grown as strong as indoor?
Edited by jm3800 (06/05/08 05:49 PM)
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: jm3800]
#8499360 - 06/08/08 09:13 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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i was just wondering if anybody else has found the pf classic strain to be very potent. my first grow i grew pf classic fan dried , them some damp rid. i ate 3.8g (i have taken more then this using street bought srooms ) and had the strogest trip of my life. i don't know if it's because they where freshly grown and dried or if the potency was just that good ?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: polyflakes]
#8500793 - 06/08/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I read on the Hawk's Eye website that the Penis Envy strain was discovered and stabilized by Terrence McKenna. I find that to be awesome, as I'm a big fan of his. Is this a mycolegend or is it true? Does anybody have any articles or text of his that talks about it?
The Hawk's Eye post also talks about the trips being constant, and I have heard other reports about it having anti-anxiety characteristics. Any elaboration on this, as this strain seems to be up my alley for my next grow.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: jazzillion]
#8520533 - 06/13/08 04:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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I highly recommend growing Penis Envy. I am also a big McKenna fan, though I had never heard that it was his brainchild (though it wouldn't surprise me). By weight, Penis Envy has definitely been the most potent strain of cube I have grown. I remember dosing on a single 1.8 gram mushroom, and having the time of my life. Other experienced psychonauts on between 2 and 3 grams of PE, respectively, were a little taken aback by the potency as well.
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I have heard other reports about it having anti-anxiety characteristics.
That is very much true of many strains of psilocybe. I wrote a paper for a psychology seminar on the anxiolytic effects of psychedelics. There are numerous case studies on psilocybes, even taken at below threshold effects, that show reduction in anxiety across a range of diagnoses, from OCD to Body Dysmorphic Disorder to Generalized Anxiety Disorder. Personally, I have found the same to be true. I have only taken above threshold doses, however, and would be interested to hear from anyone who consistently doses below threshold effects.
High marks for Penis Envy.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! *DELETED* [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8523055 - 06/14/08 10:44 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Post deleted by bobster255Reason for deletion: dumb question
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! *DELETED* [Re: wisp]
#8523066 - 06/14/08 10:48 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Post deleted by bobster255Reason for deletion: drunk talk
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: bobster255]
#8523494 - 06/14/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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PES= Pacifica Exotica Spora... Use the search function and you would have found the answer to this
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: bobster255]
#8525579 - 06/15/08 12:31 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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bobster255 said: pes hawiian.
Not many "strains" I mess with any more. This is one.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-Orissa *DELETED* [Re: Premedman1]
#8525761 - 06/15/08 01:41 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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