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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dill705]
#8171499 - 03/20/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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You wouldn't need another print for another try. Let's say you need a fifth of dark print to make a syringe and had the bad luck to have some spores combine, that developed a weak substrain. The chance to get a better or at least a different substrain is very big. Of the millions of spores on a print, there are several that would form a potent fruit developing mushroom.
The differences in the appearance of all the cube strains are just grown out tendencies. Some strains tend to produce fruits that look different from others, though they don't do it ALL the time, but most of it. Actually every strain is able to produce fruits that look COMPLETELY different from what you expected them to look. Some strains, such as Penis Envy or Koh Samui just tend more, or better said most of the time, to develop fruits looking different from other strains.
Same issue with potency. it seems some strains tend to develop quiet potent fruits very often while others tend to develop a big variety in potency issues (such as maybe the B+).
Now, this doesn't mean that this is the way it is, since even if you trip a lot, you can never really tell, if it's the actual strain that's potent or just the substrain of one strain. Beside all the subjectiveness this issue suffers from, it's almost impossible to tell weather it's the strain or the specific genetics, because you can have some powerful fruits from one strain and some weak ones from another one time and the other way around the other time. You can also have two powerful hauls from one strain and two shitty ones from the other, which is caused by genetic issues. This wouldn't make one strain more potent than the other. You wouldn't be able to "objectively" tell which mushroom is stronger over a longer period of time, due to all the factors that influence the trips you'll go through. So maybe you eat a bunch of the powerful fruits and don't trip a lot, because of organic of psychic issues and maybe you trip balls from a bunch of weak ones, because you simply in the mood.
A good metaphor for that is music. You can't tell if one style music is better than another one, just because millions like the one style better than the other. Now you can't measure which style is better, but with potency in mushrooms we can. At least we can can isolate the tendency!
The only way to figure out if single strains are more powerful than others is to measure their alkaloid content over a long period of time, inspecting maybe hundreds or thousands of fruits from different casings/cakes or whatnot.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Fahkface]
#8171535 - 03/20/08 11:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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anyway im sick of talking bout potency lets talk about apperance thats what this thread is for
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Unlike potency, which clearly is and stays an issue of speculation, as long as it isn't measured professionally, certain appearances are something easy to diagnose, so I too think we should focus on it!
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Fahkface]
#8171575 - 03/20/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cool. I just thought it would be cool to do the science to figure this stuff out forever. You know, get it over with and have some definative answers.
Appearance is where it's at, I suppose.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Fahkface]
#8171604 - 03/20/08 11:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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A spore print represents the genetics of two parents. The limits of recombination are nearly endless.. Its all about genetic ratios.
If your growing from one print your growing brothers and sisters. A print of the same strain from another breeder would be like a cousin. You'll a see more varied phenotypes in a cousins compared to brothers and sisters. I hope thats clear.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: HerbBaker]
#8171709 - 03/20/08 12:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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As you said, it's genetic ratios. These ratios, define the later phenotype of the strain you're growing.
You forgot to mention the earlier ancestors of the specific prints you have, which are all still included in it. Therefore you have a good chance to grow maybe his "grandpa", which was a kick as fruiter for example.
If you repeatedly get poor results from different syringes of one print, consider using another print, since the tendency of poor appearing seems to be enormous.
So far the theory. My own experience with multiple cakes and casings from the same print/syringe showed me, that the fruiting abilities vary greatly within one print/syringe. I had very poor results from the one cake and kick ass' from the other (sure it was more than two cakes I made these experiences with ).
Pretty soon, I'll start an experiment about this very issue.
Years ago I got an Australian print, which I made two casings from, that were both really crappy and mostly developed small and thin fruits. However I took a lot of prints from them and will knock up some jars from these prints.
I almost bet, that the results will be different this time.
From my experience it has a lot to do, with the age of the specific print you're using.
Old spores, that long to germinate, seem to fruit less good than fresh ones. (though this is just my own experience I made with a couple of prints).
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Fahkface]
#8171728 - 03/20/08 12:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let's see those results when they come in Fahk.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dill705]
#8171745 - 03/20/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sure, sure
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dill705]
#8171795 - 03/20/08 12:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didnt forget, i just figured it went without saying.. The micro-enviroment from cake to cake and grow to grow isnt the same. The enviroment triggers genetic response.. if you change even one small thing in the enviroment it will be reflected in the phenotypes.
So your not seeing genetic potential. your isolating and noticing a different in the phenotype. Different enviroment different results. not to mention the combining of dominate and recessive genes. You need alot of controls to get anything meaningful from the results.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: HerbBaker]
#8171886 - 03/20/08 01:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Without a doubt! But since we - and I consider myself as one in a mass- are not able to stabilize our grow parameters as much as it would be needed to get "anything meaningful" from the results, you have to take up any given info from the results you get and/or let time and number of grows lead us the way.
Anyway, within a print we have millions of spores, carried millions of genes, dominant and recessive. Though the chance is higher for the dominant genes, to well.. dominant the recessive ones, we still have the chance for the recessive ones to combine and form a characteristic, that's great again.
Just as Mr. Gump learned us: Multispore knock ups are like a box of chocolate; you never know what you get! (it's just a cheap translation from the German quote; dunno the the English one )
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: trentallica]
#8172323 - 03/20/08 03:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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icanttype said: any info on the Colorado strain, i want to know why it's called Colorado since colorado has no known naturally occuring psychdelic mushrooms (i thought at least)
i live in colorado. trust me we have plenty that grow in the wild.
no cubes though, right?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: icanttype]
#8172333 - 03/20/08 03:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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thats what hes talking about
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flushme]
#8173638 - 03/20/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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OK i just gotta say i know that there's a difference, but I'm not sure its the strain but maybe its the grower. Ive done shrooms about 12 times and 11 of the 12 were around about the same potency but i got some about 6 months ago and i took 2.5g. I had an out of this world trip about a 4 out of five on the trip scale. I don't know maybe the other times they were just not that good but i don't think ill ever find shrooms like those again so now i think i might give growing a shot I'm just waiting for my spores wish me luck. sorry so long
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: original1986]
#8173694 - 03/20/08 09:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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maybe you had like pan cyans or azures
2.5 grams of either dried would definately be a level 5 :P
theres a ton of different mushrooms.
azures, pan cyans, cubensis, ps cyans, mexicana are the more common ones
depending on your climate with some agar work you could make an outdoor ps cyan or azure bed.
pan cyans are super strong too.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: original1986]
#8174792 - 03/21/08 01:51 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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original1986 said: OK i just gotta say i know that there's a difference, but I'm not sure its the strain but maybe its the grower. Ive done shrooms about 12 times and 11 of the 12 were around about the same potency but i got some about 6 months ago and i took 2.5g. I had an out of this world trip about a 4 out of five on the trip scale. I don't know maybe the other times they were just not that good but i don't think ill ever find shrooms like those again so now i think i might give growing a shot I'm just waiting for my spores wish me luck. sorry so long
Even if it were really cubes you had back then, a trip is influenced by a lot of factors, such as physical and psychic condition, blood sugar level, surroundings etc. Additionally some grows indeed turn out to be more potent than others, just as other grows turn out to be completely useless in terms of consumption.
I had pretty strong trip on 1.5!!! grams of cubes and pretty lame ones on 3.5 grams. I also had good trips from one grow and pretty lame ones the next time I ate from this very yield. It also depends on how old the fruits are you eat, since cubes contain quiet a big amount of Psilocin, that breaks up, when getting in contact with air, so rather fast consumption is advised.
Again, it's dependent on too many factors, to be able to tell which "strain" is more potent than others.
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Fahkface]
#8175455 - 03/21/08 11:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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original1986 said: OK i just gotta say i know that there's a difference, but I'm not sure its the strain but maybe its the grower. Ive done shrooms about 12 times and 11 of the 12 were around about the same potency but i got some about 6 months ago and i took 2.5g. I had an out of this world trip about a 4 out of five on the trip scale. I don't know maybe the other times they were just not that good but i don't think ill ever find shrooms like those again so now i think i might give growing a shot I'm just waiting for my spores wish me luck. sorry so long
Even if it were really cubes you had back then, a trip is influenced by a lot of factors, such as physical and psychic condition, blood sugar level, surroundings etc.
blood sugar level, i had no idea that mushrooms could effect that, got any more info?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8175725 - 03/21/08 12:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: 3500lt]
#8175748 - 03/21/08 12:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Impossible to say. Looks like a normal cube. Perhaps the thick stem and small cap could be a hint... but perhaps not.
Do YOU know what, "Strain" that is?
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
#8175786 - 03/21/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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its a 20g shroom. it has a light brown cap almost yellowish, with a whitish green rim. doesnt have the nipple like the amozon strain. just rounded off. here is some more pictures.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: 3500lt]
#8175806 - 03/21/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Definately P. cubensis, But could be quite a few different strains, they look simmelar to Golden Teacher, or Ecuador. Could also be Cambodian. Thats where im placing my bet.
Were they all roughly that size? if so, Consider B+ but I don't know about that, they're not particularly big.
Not likely to be Mazatapec, Malabar coast, Koh Samui or Penis Envy, or the likes.
I Assume you've harvested these from the wild if you don't know what strain it is?
What area are you in? you could have a new strain but most likely its just a generic P. Cubensis
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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: 3500lt]
#8175813 - 03/21/08 12:51 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is an archetypal cube. It looks exactly like a cube should look.
It is impossible to say what strain it is... without simply guessing. Nothing unique really stands out.
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