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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: mandelbrah]
    #8116996 - 03/07/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

ok now that ive been chewed out lets try this one here what is the most potent stain out there i ordered some from 101 and was wondering if these were any good Panaeolus Cyanescens - Philippines and Panaeolus Cyanescens - Cambodian pluss some blue meanies


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: mozartvicious]
    #8117006 - 03/07/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

my first ones ive done were golden teachers, cambodians and creepers my cambodians are whippin the other ones by far


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: MrIzzy11B]
    #8117404 - 03/07/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I would recommend the Malabar strain from Sporeworks, for any beginners listening.

Just amazing on BRF.. I've got 72 hour visible germination, and complete colonization well within 2 weeks. Clearly easy to fruit, and are currently going wild pinning invitro.

Considering this was a backwash spore syringe from 2 years ago, very nice results.

You can always try another sponsor if you'd like, of course.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Darkstrand]
    #8117601 - 03/07/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Any strain from sporeworks willwork great :thumbup:

There equador is blowing my mind right now, the size of these fruits are awesome!!!


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: MrIzzy11B]
    #8117667 - 03/07/08 08:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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cowboyizzy said:
ok now that ive been chewed out lets try this one here what is the most potent stain out there i ordered some from 101 and was wondering if these were any good Panaeolus Cyanescens - Philippines and Panaeolus Cyanescens - Cambodian pluss some blue meanies




pans are the strongest indoor cultivatable (is that a word?) mushrooms.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid]
    #8127055 - 03/10/08 11:19 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Nwerds Strains Studies:

I have tried the following strains and here is my report on cultivation and etc.
Trip reports were based off 3.5g of each strain. Each time I made sure not to eat anything 3 hours before ingestion and avoid dairy products and fats as they will dampin the experience. 

B+
Easy to grow, awesome fruits, many flushes, steady and great producer. Not so good on the trip meter. You have to eat over 4 grams just to get there if not more.. Beautiful mushies and easy on first timers but for the real trippers out there, I would go with something else.

Golden Teacher
Refer to B+ above except maybe slightly more potent than the B+

Thai Lipa Yai
When people say this is resistant to contams, I found out what they mean. I had a contammed jar of these that I quarantined and the Thai took over. I didn't spawn it because I don't play around with contams, but this one is a remarkable grow. Fruits CAN get large but not as many will end up as big as GT and B+. Steady flushes and fairly abundant. Here is the kicker. These guys will ROCK YOU. 3.5 is all you need to get there and I'm not one who likes 4+ grams of mushies in my gut. Awesome experience IMO. These are definitely a keeper.

Cambodian
While we're on the subject of Asian strains. This is another great one for me to have worked with. Steady flushes, good sized fruits... Some monsters. Beautiful fruits. Again, I think there is something in Asian countries that makes there cubes so damn wicked. Another great study IMO.

Mazatapec
I liked these guys, easy to grow, large fruits and flushes. Trip is a great one, it's true what they say about spiritual. Good and evil (however, I can be a pretty spiritual person so I wouldn't blame the shroom for that lol). Colors are beautiful. Not as heavy as the Asian strains, but definitely a keep in my book.

Puerto Rican
Easy to grow these guys too, IN FACT all the cubes are easy to grow. I haven't found one to me more difficult than the other and they all seem to colonize about the same time... I didn't get any large size fruits, but the flushes were thick. As for trip, they didn't get to me that great. I like to freak out (metaphorically speaking) and these didn't really do it for me. I've stopped working with them.

F+
These are a great one. Large fruits, awesome flushes, beautiful caps. Great strain. I have yet to try these, I'm hoping they will fit the bill because they are a pleasure to work with. I'll update once I have done the research

Orissa India
I got these to see what might happen. So far nothing. Flushes are NOT steady. There is no first flush, 2nd flush, just caps popping randomly. I have yet to see any monsters, for the most part... Tiny tiny tiny mushrooms. Nothing remarkable to speak of. I have not tried these yet, Not worried about it. I figure a HUGANTIC GINORMOUS mushie probably wouldn't be all that fun to try and digest anyway. :smile: I will not be working with these again, not worth the hassle IMO. Unless I try and outside run.... WHo knows. The ONLY reason I don't want to work with them is because it's more of a gamble than the rest, you WILL get fruits, but you might be disappointed... I'll let you know as things progress...

Pan Cyan Phillipines
AWESOME.
Not too hard to grow if you do it right. Might even be easier than the cubes to fruit and quicker with flushes within days apart. You will be picking ALLOT. They are harder to keep clean though. Watch for contams, these guys are sensitive. Small and light weight... YOU ONLY NEED 1g TO LAUNCH THOUGH... This is NOT bullshit. For the newbie... .5 grams will be MORE than enough. Definitely a keeper. Be good to them though and don't let anyone over do it with these guys or it might get hairy. I've got some reports back and am very wary of who gets these guys now lol.

That's my report, I hope it helps any new guys out there...


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #8127766 - 03/10/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

hey, im looking for some good strains to observe outdoors here in florida. right now the weather is perfect for me, a little chilly at night and a little under fruiting humidity. the summers can be very hot between 85 and 95 on most days with a humidity about 80-100%. it rains almost every day during the summer for an hour or 2. i know all strains will grow and probably fruit outside, but some will do better than others given certain conditions. please PM me as i do not check this thread.

these strains have all caught my interest

these strains have all caught my interest for being good outsiders...
MexiCube - fast, easy & versatile grower. continues flushing over and over within same week. fruits from 50F to 90sF, good for summer.
"A" Strain - Strong culture, average colonizer. prolific & easy to fruit. likes hot temps, good for summer according to roadkill.
Orissa India - large fruits, potent, rhizomorphic. the large fruits this strain produces aught to be able to soak up all the water it gets. i can only hope this indian enjoys the heat.
Puerto Rican - extremely rhizomorphic, aggressive colonizer. excellent potent fruiter with fairly large caps.
Texas Goliad - dense fruits, medium size. exceptionally well on straw-based substrates. above average flusher, "youll have your hands full!"
Peru - Excellent on dung. Medium to large caps. Very good, even pinset, never have seen an abort. At least 4-6 flushes. Resistant to contams.
Texan - Super dense fruits, small but firm. very little water weight, dries rock hard without shrinking much. prolific fruiter at -little to no light-. texas is just as hot as florida.

i have considered virgin island strain, and huautla/oaxaca. im sure F+ would do magnificently here. i would also assume that most strains from mexico would do well in the summer.

please post any strains you know of that do well outside. perhaps we could collect enough data to make a table of strains with their strengths/weaknesses under different conditions being listed.

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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Acai]
    #8128063 - 03/10/08 03:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Two new descriptions added to my journal. Redboy and Koh Samui (also Koh Samui Super Strain). Both of these, "Strains" are unique. Please add any info if you have any, or correct any errors you find. Thanks.

Redboy

Redboy was a popular cube a few decades ago but it was thought by many to be long lost. RogerRabbit had an old print and used almost all his spores attempting to get it to germinate. It was simply too old. He had to resort to crossing Redboy with Puerto Rican and a little rattle snake venom. It worked. Here's the story in RogerRabbit's own words:

"After 20 years of sleeping, the RedBoy lives! A mycological Coup d'Etat had to be pulled off to get this mushroom back after 20 years. The spores would simply NOT germinate.

Monokaryotic Puerto Rico mycelium was allowed to crawl over the non-germinating original 20 year old redboy spores in a petri dish, resulting in a 50/50 cross between the redboy spores and the PR mycelium, without the original spores ever germinating, which they were no longer capable of after 20 years.

Rattlesnake venom was added to the agar after cooling to weaken both the cell walls of the spores, and the cell walls of the mycelium, allowing the nucleus from each to exchange genetic information between them. The experiment was duplicated with the offspring, resulting in a 75% pure strain, which was then released to the public.

The result is a 'cross' between the original UNgerminated redboy spores and a cubensis from puerto rico. Even though this is a cross,(NOT hybrid since it's two strains of the same species) you can clearly see the red color of the spores.

Enjoy."

Redboy's red spores are supposedly darker than PF Redspore. According to RogerRabbit, Redboy also, bruises green.

A unique cube indeed. A lot of work went into bringing the Redboy back.

Available at www.ralphstersspores.com

Link to primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4520275#4520275


Koh Samui (and Koh Samui Super Strain)

Koh Samui was discovered by Mushroom John Allen.

According to www.thehawkseye.com

"Another great psilocybe mushroom brought to us by Enthomycologist John Allen from his travels through Thailand. This beauty was picked in the town of Hua Thanon on the island of Koh Samui."

Koh Samui is known for shorter than average fruits with meaty stems that are noticeably wider on the bottom than at the top. For its height, Koh Samui can have unusually large caps but Koh Samui from time to time, puts out some surprisingly normal looking fruits. Pins commonly have red tops with white spots. The caps turn red-brown with maturity.

Koh Samui Super Strain came from an isolated KS substrain. There is much debate over weather KSSS is actually a, "Super Strain". Some people swear by it, some long for the original. Some think it is less varied in appearance than the original. Your results may vary.

Many people are found of Koh Samui. It is usually easy to recognize from picture alone. It is a great addition to any collection.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #8128091 - 03/10/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup:

So much useful information, I'm glad someone's doing this work.

When it's done will it be added to the main site?


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dill705]
    #8128104 - 03/10/08 04:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Worst case, it will remain in my journal...

But I intend to submit it to the Administration once it is completed. I expect it will be posted on the main site, as long as the info is sound. :wink:

Thanks for the kind words. This project will take a while to complete.

Falbino's description is coming soon.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #8128122 - 03/10/08 04:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah,  man so much info to sort through, and most of it not that good.

BTW, yesterday I picked a 112.2 gram Equador from a BRF casing, I couldn't believe it got that big, I think I'm in love :heart:


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~dill705~


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dill705]
    #8128283 - 03/10/08 05:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

There is a reason EQ is so popular.

It puts out BIG fruits.

EQ is very "Domesticated" so you can expect good results and plenty of rizomorphic growth even from multispore... it behaves well in bags, on cakes or in bulk casings. Just add water. :wink:

EQ is a PERFECTLY normal cube.

Everybody looking for a good, productive cube that looks like a cube, should give it a try.

The prints are pretty common, so you won't get much for them in trades... otherwise, it is a top notch, "Strain".

I consider EQ to be unique, even though it looks rather plain. EQ is simply too popular to ignore.

I too, am a fan.

This is a good time to add a side note... and before anyone thinks I am hating on Ralph, read the rest of this thread before posting.

I am a bit miffed about the Yosterizi strain from Ralph. It is simply another EQ isolate fruited to print... just like any other vendor's. Calling the strain "Yosterizi" adds to the confusion. It makes it sound like an entirely different "Strain" and fails to give credit to its origin.

How'd he like it if I grew out his Redboy from an isolate... printed it, called it the Cervizi strain and gave it to TheHawksEye, to sell as an exclusive new "Strain"?

Not only would it be a slap in Ralph's face, it would be unnecessarily confusing to consumers... especially n00bs.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #8128391 - 03/10/08 05:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

No shit, you'd think the vendors should have a vested interest in keeping things simple.

Maybe we should start a patent system or something similar, you know to help with confusion.

I think it's a good idea because my first grow included Golden Teachers and before I read this thread, the Z strain sounded cool enough to buy...


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~dill705~


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #8128396 - 03/10/08 05:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yosterizi is explained on Ralphs site.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid]
    #8128461 - 03/10/08 05:51 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ralph DOES explain it, you'll see in my strain journal that I have quoted his description. That doesn't make it right.

Come on... if everybody who printed from a substrain renamed it...

It is bad enough, that cubes get different names EVERY time someone finds one outside a NEW TOWN or COUNTRY.

Also, how on Earth do we know weather or not the COMPANY Mr. Yoster bought his ORIGINAL EQ spores from did MOST OF THE WORK FOR HIM... or if it was Mr. Yoster, who did it ALL BY HIMSELF!?

EQ is an OLD, RELIABLE commercial strain and I have seen nothing about Yosterizi that appears in ANY WAY different from what one could expect from good, old-fasioned EQ.

This is similar to Koh Samui Super Strain (which I also have a problem with). But at LEAST KSSS keeps Koh Samui in the name... and the TWO VARIETIES appeared commercially around the SAME TIME (back when Hawk was the only vendor selling EITHER strain).

It sounds like.... by Ralph's own admission, he is calling EQ by an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT NAME just 'cause someone had a good flush and sent him some spores to work with.

EVERYONE who isolates a good substrain and fruits to print could claim the same thing... but they DON'T.

GOOD GENETICS along with YEARS OF ISOLATION AND PRINTING made EQ what it is today... Mr. Yoster gets WAY too much credit. People have been doing the same thing with EQ for years, and THEY have only called it what it is: EQ.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: Rose]
    #8128516 - 03/10/08 06:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

ah

I got cha.

Yeah I suppose that's kind of lame.

I actually have EQ , Yost, KS and KSS coming.

I'm assuming yost and kss are exceptional isolations though?


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid]
    #8128565 - 03/10/08 06:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So basically, after my first EQ grow from multispore, now that I've got an LC of the biggest one, if I grew that out and printed the fruits, called it dill705ii, it would be what they did, right?


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-Icelander-

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~dill705~


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dill705]
    #8128716 - 03/10/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yeah basically.

I'm assuming Yost and KSS are super awesome isolates though.


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: flavoraid]
    #8128837 - 03/10/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

My understanding is that KSS just produces a higher percentage of shrooms that are different looking than the average cube than the classic strain.

Yosterzii I have no idea about, but I'm happy with my EQ


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-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~


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Re: Strain Discussion Thread-HERE ONLY! [Re: dill705]
    #8129272 - 03/10/08 08:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

YOST:



This Ecuador substrain took Dr Yoster 3 years to develop. Although the good Doctor came under some questionable association issues on the forums, the strain itself, is worth including in our inventory. This isolation gives a more stable growth pattern than EQ both in uniform size and pinset, without losing any of the potency assets.

Not an original Strain, but a worthy one!


KSS:



An improved isolation of the popular Thai Koh Samui. More aggressive with better flushes, larger fruit and more resistant to contamination. A definite winner.


taken from ralphsters


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