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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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This post will be updated regularly... I'm already on version... say 4.20...
![]() A cube is a cube is a cube... for the most part. Potency can vary from one grow to another. Bulk, also can vary from one grow to another. Buy the spores that interest you. Perhaps you are interested in where they were found (Tasmania... India). Perhaps they look unique (Penis Envy, Malabars). But the differences in BRAND NAME CUBES are usually SLIGHT... and can vary greatly from one grow to another... even if you are using spores from the SAME print. Discuss the specifics of different cube "Strains" here. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ ******************************** Here are the updated descriptions... more will be added soon! ******************************** Menace Strain The Menace Strain is a unique cube. The spores which eventually produced the Menace STrain were discovered in Texas by Lostfreddy. After receiving a print form Lostfreddy, P. Menace's first batch looked nothing like the Menace Strain we know today. They were thin stringy mushrooms which hardly looked like cubes. After extensive work, P was able to stabilize a much larger cube then he was originally working with. This is the Menace Strain we know today. The Menace Strain has a unique characteristic which displays itself in later flushes; the caps get very wavy in a pattern not unlike some hubcaps. For photos, see the link at the bottom of this entry. According to The Shroomery's own P. Menace: "This is the Strain I have been working with for some time to get it Stabilized, The Specimin was first collected from the Mid-Eastern Texas area, Wild Growing in a pasture, Losfreddy Collected a Spore Print. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Here is the original thread... These Were all Tiny Tiny Mushrooms they were grown in a milk carton. I first received my print in November or December of 07. So a ton of un-documented work (damn it) later, over a course now of 5+ months work with this strain... I believe I have Finally Done it!! Stabilized the strain!! Im beginning to wonder how big they can actually get!! In the third flush the caps always begin to get this wavy look to them... Kind of a neat trait if you ask me." For more info and photos, see this thread. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Pink Buffalo Known as Pink Buffalo or Thai Pink Buffalo, this cube was discovered by Milo Zverino in Late September 2000. It is named after the occasional pink Bubalis Bubalis buffalo. A buffalo which is usually grey. The name of the strain implies the type of poop the original cubes were growing in, but this has not been confirmed. A long lost Shroomerite, and frequent visitor to Thailand, mjshroomer was the first to sell the spores. * Note This is a quote from an outdated post. The spores are LONG GONE. Don't bother contacting the user for a print. From http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Quote: Bubalis Bubauis, the Asian grey and/or Pink Buffalo: http://www.mushroomjohn.org/samu According to MJ, while discussing Thai pan [copelandia] cyans.) These mushrooms appear in the manure of the Asian water buffalo Bubalis Bubalis, of which 1 in 10 are pink (Fig. 2c) and these mushrooms are common in rice paddies (Fig. 2d) throughout Southeast Asia On a side note, mjshroomer was eventually perma-banned from The Shroomery. Use the search feature to learn more. It is sad that one of the world's most important cubensis collectors had a falling out with this community... but there is evidence that mj is high maintenance... to say the least. To his credit, mjshroomer knows a LOT about the history of many cubes. Perhaps more than anyone else in the USA. Lizard King The Lizard King strain has an interesting history, and it was discovered by Lizard King who had a hand in finding several coveted Mexacanae specimens as well. What makes this cube interesting is that it was found growing on a mixture of wood and horse poo. Wood is not a common substrate for wild cubes but given the right conditions cubes will grow on damn near anything. Here's what Lizard King himself had to say about his discovery: Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: B+ The B+ origins have become a thing of legend. Nobody knows exactly where the cube which became B+ came from. Mr G... who, "Created" B+ swears it is a Psilocybe cubensis/azurescens hybrid... MOST people disagree with this statement... and chalk it up as a marketing ploy. Nobody has been able to prove the B+ is an Azure hybrid. There is little evidence to suggest cubes and azures could be crossed in this way. Although, some people say the caps of B+ resemble the cap of an Azure... and there are a few reports suggesting B+ spores may share some Azure traits as well. This is likely just wishful thinking. B+ is known for its LARGE fruits. You will likely need a well hydrated cake/casing/tub to get the most out of B+... otherwise the shrooms may look a bit stringy or hollow and they may not reach their full potential. B+ can be SLOWER growing than many other brand name cubes (but like EVERY cube, your experience may vary). B+ has been commonly known as a good strain for BEGINNING cultivators. Many believe B+ is a very forgiving strain which can grow in a wide range of temperatures and conditions. As for the legend of the B+... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ This thread is an interesting read... including a rant from the infamous Mr. G. The man who allegedly started the rumor that he combined a cube with an azure, to create B+ Here's another good read. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Malabar India Malabar is a unique cube. It was discovered by 3M in Malabar, India. The prints were given to several members of the online mushroom community and eventually, to vendors. The Shroomery's own Phrozendata, Roadkill and Thor all had a hand in domesticating this strain. Malabar is known for its caps and veils. The veils may stay connected to the cap, even when the cap is fully mature. The cap itself is known to be dark in the center and it fades to a light yellow near the edge. Malabar is a beautiful strain, known for its meaty stems. Allen Strain According to Roadkill, the Allen Strain was discovered by Mushroom John Allen near Ban Tailing Ngam, on the island of Koh Samui, Thailand. Roadkill domesticated the only wild print and named it after the man who discovered it. Allen Strain has been observed to have an egg shaped cap when it is immature. Redboy Redboy was a popular cube a few decades ago but it was thought by many to be long lost. RogerRabbit had an old print and used almost all his spores attempting to get it to germinate. It was simply too old. He had to resort to crossing Redboy with Puerto Rican and a little rattle snake venom. It worked. Here's the story in RogerRabbit's own words: "After 20 years of sleeping, the RedBoy lives! A mycological Coup d'Etat had to be pulled off to get this mushroom back after 20 years. The spores would simply NOT germinate. Monokaryotic Puerto Rico mycelium was allowed to crawl over the non-germinating original 20 year old redboy spores in a petri dish, resulting in a 50/50 cross between the redboy spores and the PR mycelium, without the original spores ever germinating, which they were no longer capable of after 20 years. Rattlesnake venom was added to the agar after cooling to weaken both the cell walls of the spores, and the cell walls of the mycelium, allowing the nucleus from each to exchange genetic information between them. The experiment was duplicated with the offspring, resulting in a 75% pure strain, which was then released to the public. The result is a 'cross' between the original UNgerminated redboy spores and a cubensis from puerto rico. Even though this is a cross,(NOT hybrid since it's two strains of the same species) you can clearly see the red color of the spores. Enjoy." Redboy's red spores are supposedly darker than PF Redspore. According to RogerRabbit, Redboy also, bruises green. A unique cube indeed. A lot of work went into bringing the Redboy back. Available at www.ralphstersspores.com Link to primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Koh Samui (and Koh Samui Super Strain) Koh Samui was discovered by Mushroom John Allen. According to www.thehawkseye.com "Another great psilocybe mushroom brought to us by Enthomycologist John Allen from his travels through Thailand. This beauty was picked in the town of Hua Thanon on the island of Koh Samui." Koh Samui is known for shorter than average fruits with meaty stems that are noticeably wider on the bottom than at the top. For its height, Koh Samui can have unusually large caps but Koh Samui from time to time, puts out some surprisingly normal looking fruits. Pins commonly have red tops with white spots. The caps turn red-brown with maturity. Koh Samui Super Strain came from an isolated KS substrain. There is much debate over weather KSSS is actually a, "Super Strain". Some people swear by it, some long for the original. Some think it is less varied in appearance than the original. Your results may vary. Many people are found of Koh Samui. It is usually easy to recognize from picture alone. It is a great addition to any collection. Penis Envy (Classic) According to various sources including long-time Shroomerite, Mushroom John Allen (AKA mjshroomer), Penis Envy was discovered in Amazonian Columbia by Terrance McKenna and his brother. Penis Envy was thought, by many, to be long lost until Mushroom John found a bulk print vendor, Rick Gee of MycoTech (see link at end of description), who was selling viable swabs* of PE. Long-time Shroomery Sponsors (including www.Sporeworks.com and www.thehawkseye.com) later, reintroduced Penis Envy in print and syringe form, to the public. Today, many vendors sell Penis Envy. PE has been successfully crossed with other strains, giving us new PE variations including PE #6 (Texas crossed with PE), PE Uncut (PE crossed with albino), and Albino PE (again, crossed with albino). Since the cap rarely separates too far from the stem, a Penis Envy fruit can look like a circumcised penis. Penis Envy often has a thick gnarly stem and releases very few spores. With Penis Envy, just because you see fruits does not mean you will see spores. Penis Envy fruits are often sterile (few or no spores drop) and the gills of the sterile fruit can be light yellow in color (Instead of spore-filled and dark). Later flushes usually bring more spores than the early flushes, but often only a couple fruits drop spores. Penis Envy fruits often grow slower than a typical cube (but your results can and WILL vary). Those thick stems can take a while to reach full maturity. The DENSE fruits don't shrink much when dried. It is not uncommon for Penis Envy to flush the occasional ALBINO fruit. Because it looks like a penis when fruited, Penis Envy is a love/hate strain. Many people have different opinions about this odd and unique cube. *A sterile, cotton swab is sometimes rubbed along the gills to collect spores from hard to print strains. Source link: http://www.sky-tribe.com/Uploads Penis Envy Uncut Workman... while attempting to cross PF Albino with Penis Envy happened across an interesting isolate. While this PFA/PE cross shared many of Penis Envy's external, macroscopic traits, the veils often stayed attached to the stems. This means the fruits can look like uncircumcised penises. PEU albinism is not unheard of. But the, "Strain" is not yet known for its albino fruits... just its, "Namesake veil" to quote Workman. Like Penis Envy, PEU is often sterile, and spores may be few and far between. This is still a relatively new strain. Perhaps there is still more to be learned about the traits of PEU. Link to primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Penis Envy #6 Shroomery veteran RogerRabbit, "Crossed a standard PE with the Tex strain." The result was PE 6. RogerRabbit's efforts were an attempt to create a PE strain which produced more spores... but the spores were accidentally released too early... when a few prints were unintentionally mailed out, in a stack of other prints. Here's how RogerRabbit says PE 6 came to be. "A single sector fruiting isolate of PE, and another of TEX were placed on a petri dish with rattlesnake venom added to the agar. The snake venom helped the two dikaryotic strains share genetic information to form a third sector, which was which was labeled PE6. Other Isolates of the PE were labeled PE 1-7, and apparently, some of the 6, which was the cross, were in the same batch of prints. The idea was to get a good spore producing PE, but I never had time to stabilize the strain due to accidentally releasing it early. That's why sometimes they look like texans and sometimes very much like PE." PE 6 looks like a cross between Penis envy and Texans. The fruits often have LARGE caps, which open fully, unlike classic PE. They also produce spores. While the stems look quite a bit like PE. Thick and textured. Like little logs. RogerRabbit confirms this description: "the caps that opened fully have fewer spores like PE, and they have the same gnarly stems too. Only the caps seem to be bigger and to open all the way." Link to Primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Psilocybe Fanaticus Classic (PF Classic) PF Classic is a sentimental favorite among many Cubensis enthusiasts. PF Classic peaked in popularity in the late 1990's through 2002. According to Workman, "PF "Classic" was initially purchased by PF from the Homestead Company (one of the few cubensis spore sources at the time) around 1990. No one seems to be sure where the original wild spores were collected, but it has been suggested that they are of Matias Romero stock, which it does resemble." PF's strains were almost lost to degeneration. Some wonder if the degeneration was due to black light exposure... but Workman suspects the PF strains are all infected with a fungal virus... which may contribute to PF Classic's propensity to mutate (PF Classic has spawned the PF Albino AND the PF Redspore) and degenerate. PF Classic is not known to produce many spores. You may have to wait longer for PF Classic spore production to begin, than with most cubes. Once the cap breaks and the veil extends, you still may have to wait an extra day or so... before sporulation. Professor Fanaticus created the PF Tek in 1991. This tek allowed people to cultivate mushrooms without a pressure cooker, grain, glove box or a flow hood. The PF Tek greatly simplified cubensis cultivation for hobby mycologists. The PF Tek is still very popular. On Tuesday, February 18 2003 Professor Fanaticus' home was raided by the DEA (United States Drug Enforcement Agency). Although selling cubensis spores is legal, it seems selling spores AND selling info on how to grow them was a problem for the American DEA. Compounding that problem, were the 11 grams of cubes and 2+ ounces of marijuana discovered during the raid. Professor Fanaticus got off relatively easy (and he thanks his lawyer). He got 6 months of house detention and 3 years of probation. His wife was also given 3 years of probation. On Dec 14, 2006 the Professor's probation came to an end. The Professor has recently turned 60 and now spends his time making music in the PNW. Psilocybe Fanaticus Albino (AKA PF Albino or PFA) The PF Albino is an albino variant of the PF Classic strain. PFA fruits, the albinos at least, are waxy white in color, and bruise blue very easily. Originally sold by Professor Fanaticus for a limited time, the albino was thought to be lost after the Professor's infamous strain degeneration and Federal case. According to Workman, "The PF Albino appeared in 2000 and was sold by fanaticus.com for a short time, but was discontinued due to strain degeneration. The degeneration was blamed on UV (black) light exposure. I was fortunate enough to get a print of this strain soon after its release and kept it in cold storage until 2005." Despite the claims that these mutations are different species because of changes in spore color, they are in fact still Psilocybe Cubensis. www.sporeworks.com sells a version of the PFA which comes from 1998 spores, well before the degeneration of PF's strains. The PFA has been reintroduced to the world of mycology. From multispore, about 25-50% of fruits will be albino. If you want an ALL albino flush, you'll need to isolate, or clone. Pigmented PFA's drop more spores than the albino fruits. While the albino fruits CAN drop spores, the spores can be few and far between. Also, albino spores are CLEAR. To print an albino fruit, you'll want to print to foil or glass (or as a last resort, dark paper)... otherwise, you may not be able to see the spores at all. Psilocybe Fanaticus Redspore (AKA PF Redspore... or just Redspore) The PF Redspore is a variation of the PF Classic which produces brownish/red spores... instead of the purple/brown/black spores which are common for Psilocibe Cubensis. PF Redspore is not to be confused with Redboy, which is a DIFFERENT cube with red spores. According to Workman, "The PF Redspore spontaneously appeared in a tray of PF Classic around 1996 but wasn't released until 2006. This was well after the www.fanaticus.com raid of February 18th 2003." PF Redspore lacks the pigmentation to create darker spores and is an interesting addition to any collection. ******************************** Here are some more descriptions, but the info is often misleading and outdated. Read it with a grain of salt .******************************** Quote: -------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (06/13/09 04:13 PM)
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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I am gonna' format my journal, so there is a thread about EACH "STRAIN"
It'll be a good temporary home, until there is enough VALID info to post elsewhere on this website. It'll take me a few hours to format... but once it is done, I'll post the link (and perhaps RR, you can add it to your first post). Then you can send future strain traffic in there. And finally, lock this damn thread for good! ![]() Hows that? *Edit here's the link: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ -------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (01/30/08 03:01 PM)
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/
Here's the link to my journal. I have a lot of things to add, but it is ready to go. At the very least, it will keep discussions MORE organized than they are in a single thread. ![]() RR, can you add this link to your first post? -------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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PE commonly produces albinos... but they are rare enough... way to go!
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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For now, use my journal.
I promise I will have it posted somewhere better... as soon as there is enough info to post... it'll take a few months, but we'll get it up to date. No sense in starting it elsewhere, until we have a working format.
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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Thanks for posting in my new Journal!
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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Thanks flush... it IS missing info... and the wiki is no longer in use
... but it too, is a start.I had a feeling Anno would've created something like that by now. I'll read it over today, and see if anything needs updating. *** Edit*** Update, there are HUGE HOLES in the guide... but it is a start. Be sure to follow the included links to THE REAL STRAIN Guide... not just the wiki. You'll see what I mean. Also the Wiki is LOCKED... so nothing new can be added. ![]() For now, if you have something to add, keep using my journal. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ As they're finished, I'll send the updated descriptions to Anno so they can be added to the official Shroomery cube strain guide. I am not interested in potency and growing techniques (Cube potency will vary every time new spores are used... and they are ALL grown the same way). I am interested in who discovered the cube, and where it was discovered. Macroscopic and microscopic differences that make THAT cube unique. ********** For example: According to various sources including long-time Shroomerite, Mushroom John Allen (AKA mjshroomer), Penis Envy was discovered in Amazonian Columbia by Terrance McKenna and his brother. Penis Envy was thought, by many, to be long lost until Mushroom John released a few spore swabs from an early sample to long-time Shroomery Sponsors who later, reintroduced Penis Envy to the public. Today, many vendors sell Penis Envy. Since the cap rarely separates too far from the stem, a Penis Envy fruit can look like a circumcised penis. Penis Envy often has a thick gnarly stem and releases very few spores. With Penis Envy, just because you see fruits does not mean you will see spores. Penis Envy fruits are often sterile (few or no spores drop) and the gills of the sterile fruit can be light yellow in color (Instead of spore-filled and dark). Later flushes usually bring more spores than the early flushes, but often only a couple fruits drop spores. Penis Envy fruits often grow slower than a typical cube (but your results can and WILL vary). Those thick stems can take a while to reach full maturity. The DENSE fruits don't shrink much when dried. It is not uncommon for Penis Envy to flush the occasional ALBINO fruit. Because it looks like a penis when fruited, Penis Envy is a love/hate strain. Many people have different opinions about this odd and unique cube. ******** Now, compare that to the description we've been using for 5 years. Quote: -------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (02/02/08 01:36 PM)
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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Same thing... but Columbia is more specific. Thanks, I'll add it. SW is a good source.
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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Thank you P.Menace for your help.
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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Quote: I have added the Creeper, "Hybrid" strains... as well as several others. Please add any info you wish to add. -------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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Quote:http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Redboy... read it, it is VERY cool. ![]() PF Redspore http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ BOTH threads are good reads. Enjoy!
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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www.ralphstersspotes.com is a quality vendor. He did release some of the, Creeper "Hybrid" strains... along with www.thehawkseye.com. They did this to sell the SAME spores at REASONABLE prices.
Ralph, also likes to release his own, "New" cube strains to the market. Often they are introduced as his free strain of the month. These, "Strains" are released with very LIMITED descriptions... some came from the wild, some were resurrected from OLD prints thought long lost, some were taken from spores in Amsterdam coffee shops. Some, "Strains" seem to have been purchased from other Shroomery vendors, and exploited for Ralph's own profits. This may be a bit of overkill... although he does offer a huge selection of cube spores. Cubes grow all over the world, and most different "Strains" look, taste and feel like cubes. Nothing more, nothing less. Ralph's 1 paragraph description, and limited photos of the cube at any point in the growth cycle, can be quite disappointing. It can be VERY hard to find more ACCURATE info... especially about SEVERAL of Ralph's, newest "Strains". Like Roger Rabbit says, the fancier the name, the more likely it is JUST ANOTHER CUBE "Strain". There ARE only a few UNIQUE cube "Strains"... the rest, while they may come with interesting stories... are more or less, just cubes. To me, the most UNIQUE cube strains are, Penis Envy, PE 6, Albino cubes like Albino Penis Envy, PF Albino, the redspore cubes... like PF Redspore, Redbody... fruits with interesting veils like Malabar and Transkei... and the LARGE cubes... like B+ and Orissa India. Also... PF Fatass, and other fatass strains like Koh Samui. The VAST majority of ALL THE OTHER, "Strains" will look, taste and feel JUST LIKE CUBES, when you grow them to fruit. The macroscopic differences from one "Strain" to another are MINOR at best (like a flat cap vs. a rounded cap.. a cap with white around the rim... or a bumpy cap)... and virtually NONEXISTENT in some cases. Every SINGLE time you grow from SPORES, your RESULTS in LOOKS, POTENCY and QUANTITY may vary... sometimes GREATLY. This it true, for the most part... but there WILL be disagreement... especially from newer members, who haven't grown many cube "Strains", and like one vendor better than another. Don't believe me? Watch this discussion progress, and see who most often disagrees. ![]() If I were on the market for a REGULAR OLD CUBE, I'd pick one from a PART OF THE WORLD that I'd like to visit... and as I grew the cubes... I'd plan my trip to that particular place.
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (02/03/08 09:52 PM)
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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Quote: GREAT questions... The fact is, some isolates grow better on different substrates than others. I am not a cultivation expert, so I could be a bit off... still, let me attempt to oversimplify: By isolating... printing, isolating, printing... etc... you can STABILIZE a cube by growing isolates that EXPLOIT that cube's UNIQUE TRAITS... and the cube, eventually will keep MOST of its unique qualities when grown from multispore. With a little research, and the right equipment, ANYBODY can do it. PF Classic is a PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS. PF claims he worked HARD to select and TRAIN an isolate to grow well on BRF. And eventually the PF Amazonian (AKA PF Classic) DID grow great on BRF... and I imagine that MANY of the spores he sold came from the SAME isolate. Now, PF classic is SEVERAL GENERATIONS OLDER, and PF no longer SELLS IT. PF's ISOLATE is LONG GONE. PF Classic no longer comes from the same EXACT SOURCE, so it may not be EXACTLY the same cube you remember... but it still shares many traits. For you see, OTHER VENDORS have started the process over again... isolating, printing... etc. Perhaps these OTHER VENDORS were looking for DIFFERENT TRAITS than PF... "Strains" can evolve quite quickly, especially since other vendors must use new isolates in order to re-release a "Strain". Part of the reason I want better "Strain" descriptions, is to keep the INTEGRITY of each "Strain" alive... from generation to generation... and from vendor to vendor. -------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (02/01/08 11:00 AM)
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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Quote: Every single PAIRING of TWO SPORES can have a different effect on your body. People give credit to the cube, "Strain"... but I type, "Strain" with quotation marks for a reason. Every single vendor's version of a certain cube, "Strain" will be, at the very least, slightly different from another vendor's... and your spores will be somewhat different from another person's spores. A little research will show you that BOTH mind set (your mood and/or train of thought when you trip), and setting (in other words... WHERE you decide to trip and WHO you decide to trip with) play a large part in the perception of cube potency. If you think about Tasmania when you trip on Tasmanians... it WILL influence your experience. Even if you have never been there. If you think a cube is STRONG before you eat it... THAT will have an impact on your experience. If you trip in the MOUNTAINS on Pink Buffalo... THAT will impact your perception of PINK BUFFALO... you might like it better than your friend who just tripped on PB in his room. If your FIRST TRIP EVER was on B+, you'd have a different experience all together. If it was a profound experience, you'd likely think B+ was VERY potent. Also, if the mushrooms were FRESH it will have an impact... if they were DRIED, THAT will have an impact... if they were dried POORLY, THAT will have an impact. AND if you trip with your MOM... ...see where I am going with this? There are too many variables. People will debate potency and personal tripping experiences until the cows come home. It is impossible to say for certain how POTENT something is without accurately MEASURING the POTENCY. All other reports are influenced by TOO MANY VARIABLES. Some cubes are KNOWN to be more potent than others... but how much of that is just people expecting a STRONG trip BEFORE they even eat the damned shroom? How much of it is a marketing ploy by a vendor? Without proof, it is impossible to say. This is why I am not focusing on potency in my strain guide. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ For every person saying one cube is strong, there is another saying it is weak. But even the BLIND think a nice Penis Envy is shaped like a penis... or an albino is an albino. Blind people can SMELL albinism.
-------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (02/02/08 02:11 AM)
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No need to apologize. This shit took me a LONG time to figure out.
Talk about potency all you want... it was just time to mention WHY potency is a problem issue. There ARE differences in potency from one "Strain" to another... but we've yet to prove how large those differences are. I actually agree with you, flushme... I just can't prove it... and without proof, I could be giving out misinformation. When it comes to tripping, misinformation is bad. Unless it can be PROVEN, I can't in good conscience, add it to my posts in the strain guide. Bulk, is another one of those problem areas... for similar reasons... too many variables. Was it multispore? An isolate? How moist was your substrate? Was there good fresh air exchange? Where the shrooms fully mature when harvested? Too many variables. -------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (02/02/08 01:25 PM)
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Ha... I'll add Mexican Albino now... I've been meaning to post that for days.
I have FOND memories of B+ myself... especially of eating YOUNG FRESH ones. I believe it to be one of the MOST potent cubes... and yet... around here it is known as a VERY WEAK cube. Do a search... you'll see what I mean. When it comes to B+ there is MUCH debate over potency and there has been for a LONG time. I believe I could tell you WHEN I am tripping on B+ after a BLIND TASTE TEST... but alas, I have no proof. p.s. Thank you Roadkill for your recent additions to my journal. -------------------- Fiddlesticks.
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Here are three updated descriptions for 3 different varieties of Penis Envy Strains; Penis Envy (classic), Penis Envy Uncut, and Penis Envy #6.
I consider each of these strains unique. I have not yet updated the description for Albino Penis Envy (APE) because it has not yet been released to the public... and the jury's still out. You can read all about APE in my journal... or try the Search Feature. If you have anything to add, or debate about these descriptions, please visit my journal. I'll continue to update these descriptions to specify. If I have described anything incorrectly, please let me know. More updated descriptions will follow. Penis Envy (Classic) According to various sources including long-time Shroomerite, Mushroom John Allen (AKA mjshroomer), Penis Envy was discovered in Amazonian Columbia by Terrance McKenna and his brother. Penis Envy was thought, by many, to be long lost until Mushroom John found a bulk print vendor, Rick Gee of MycoTech (see link at end of description), who was selling viable swabs* of PE. Long-time Shroomery Sponsors (including www.Sporeworks.com and www.thehawkseye.com) later, reintroduced Penis Envy in print and syringe form, to the public. Today, many vendors sell Penis Envy. PE has been successfully crossed with other strains, giving us new PE variations including PE #6 (Texas crossed with PE), PE Uncut (PE crossed with albino), and Albino PE (again, crossed with albino). Since the cap rarely separates too far from the stem, a Penis Envy fruit can look like a circumcised penis. Penis Envy often has a thick gnarly stem and releases very few spores. With Penis Envy, just because you see fruits does not mean you will see spores. Penis Envy fruits are often sterile (few or no spores drop) and the gills of the sterile fruit can be light yellow in color (Instead of spore-filled and dark). Later flushes usually bring more spores than the early flushes, but often only a couple fruits drop spores. Penis Envy fruits often grow slower than a typical cube (but your results can and WILL vary). Those thick stems can take a while to reach full maturity. The DENSE fruits don't shrink much when dried. It is not uncommon for Penis Envy to flush the occasional ALBINO fruit. Because it looks like a penis when fruited, Penis Envy is a love/hate strain. Many people have different opinions about this odd and unique cube. *A sterile, cotton swab is sometimes rubbed along the gills to collect spores from hard to print strains. Source link: http://www.sky-tribe.com/Uploads Penis Envy Uncut Workman... while attempting to cross PF Albino with Penis Envy happened across an interesting isolate. While this PFA/PE cross shared many of Penis Envy's external, macroscopic traits, the veils often stayed attached to the stems. This means the fruits can look like uncircumcised penises. PEU albinism is not unheard of. But the, "Strain" is not yet known for its albino fruits... just its, "Namesake veil" to quote Workman. Like Penis Envy, PEU is often sterile, and spores may be few and far between. This is still a relatively new strain. Perhaps there is still more to be learned about the traits of PEU. Link to primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ Penis Envy #6 Shroomery veteran RogerRabbit, "Crossed a standard PE with the Tex strain." The result was PE 6. RogerRabbit's efforts were an attempt to create a PE strain which produced more spores... but the spores were accidentally released too early... when a few prints were unintentionally mailed out, in a stack of other prints. Here's how RogerRabbit says PE 6 came to be. "A single sector fruiting isolate of PE, and another of TEX were placed on a petri dish with rattlesnake venom added to the agar. The snake venom helped the two dikaryotic strains share genetic information to form a third sector, which was which was labeled PE6. Other Isolates of the PE were labeled PE 1-7, and apparently, some of the 6, which was the cross, were in the same batch of prints. The idea was to get a good spore producing PE, but I never had time to stabilize the strain due to accidentally releasing it early. That's why sometimes they look like texans and sometimes very much like PE." PE 6 looks like a cross between Penis envy and Texans. The fruits often have LARGE caps, which open fully, unlike classic PE. They also produce spores. While the stems look quite a bit like PE. Thick and textured. Like little logs. RogerRabbit confirms this description: "the caps that opened fully have fewer spores like PE, and they have the same gnarly stems too. Only the caps seem to be bigger and to open all the way." Link to Primary source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/ -------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (02/05/08 01:43 PM)
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Devil's Advocate Registered: 09/24/03 Posts: 22,518 Loc: Mod not God Last seen: 1 year, 6 months |
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PESH are not NATIVE Hawaiian cubes.
There are NO native Hawaii cubes currently on the market... and to my knowledge, none have been discovered in the wild. Quote: I believe Pacifica Exotica Spora Co. was located IN Hawaii... but I can't confirm this yet. I have never heard where PESH's source spores actually came from... and I fear that info may be long lost.. Can anybody confirm or add info? As for potency, I agree... but there is little proof. I can't prove it. If something can't be proven time and time again, or confirmed by multiple sources (without argument) it shouldn't go in the formal description. -------------------- Fiddlesticks.
Edited by Rose (02/02/08 06:58 PM)
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