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infestedpasta
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So let me get this right...
#7954485 - 01/30/08 04:46 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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I have been reading alot of the mushroom growing guides latley, so from what I've gathered I can grow mushrooms in my own home using just straw and other easy to obtain items? And I don't need to order spores off the internet? correct me if im wrong please
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infestedpasta said: I have been reading alot of the mushroom growing guides latley, so from what I've gathered I can grow mushrooms in my own home using just straw and other easy to obtain items? And I don't need to order spores off the internet? correct me if im wrong please
unless you have some other way of obtaining spores, then yes you will need to order them.
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You need spores... How you get them is up to you.
And you'll need more than straw. Something tells me you haven't done much reading at all.
Search for PF tek.
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infestedpasta
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I think I was just confused because none of the bluk straw teks mention anything about adding spores.
Edit: I read the PF tek, i understand that I need more then just straw, I just thought the spores where inside the straw or birdseed or something.. I'm sorry if this seems stupid to you people. I will definately be doing more reading, I just got stuck on that question. Oh also, are mushroom spores legal to order, recive, ect?
Edited by infestedpasta (01/30/08 04:56 AM)
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HybridprX
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Smitty says your more off then us...
http://www.ralphstersspores.com that is Fred's choice of spores, use Ralph, really good guy. (Sorry to the other vendors)
On the main site of shroomery there are several guides on pf cakes. start off slow then move onto the bulk guides as you become more comfortable with cakes.
Smitty says you've been reading to far between the lines
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I would just start rereading from the beginning.
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infestedpasta said: I think I was just confused because none of the bluk straw teks mention anything about adding spores.
thats like trying to grow plants without seeds
here ya go: http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek
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Starting off on brown rice flour and vermiculite using the PFTek is possibly the easiest way you can start up, and it's real easy to spend less than 100 bucks to do do it.
Straw is a considered a little bit more of an advanced technique, and it's best to learn the basics before you go and waste a lot of effort and end up ruining a big straw log or laundry basket.
Ordering spores off the net is the simplest way to start up. It costs a bit more, but if you order from a Shroomery sponsor, you're pretty much guaranteed a clean syringe, or a replacement for a contaminated one.
You CAN start off of prints you've collected yourself, but obtaining a sterile print off wild mushrooms is near impossible, and can require agar work to isolate away from contaminants. Agar in and of itself isn't always something everyone can do, because it pretty much requires a flow hood to keep them contam free. Even in a glovebox, anything in the air will show up on a petri dish quicker than you can say "Contaminated!"
I dunno how much you know, but there's pretty much everything you'll ever need right here on this site. Your best bet is to check out the FAQs and beginner's guides in the Mushroom Info menu at the top of the page. also, for additional helpful material, go to YouTube and search for "Let's Grow Mushrooms" which is a 3 or 4 (I forget which) part video detailing the Pf Tek, made by one of our very own old hand Shroomerites, RogerRabbit, who's been doing mycology for over 30 years now.
Just read. Read until your eyes fall out, and then buy a braille printer and read with your fingers. Do that until those fall off, and then hire your own personal beeyotch to read your monitor for you. repeat until this person dies, you go insane, etc., etc. There's no way you can do too much reading. There's so much stuff here it's ridiculous. And no matter how much you know, it's still only from the very small bit of knowledge that we humans have figured out about fungi. So, yeah, this may or may not be your thing, only time will tell, but welcome to the Shroomery!
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hazey



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hes a cop, lets hang him...
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Re: So let me get this right... [Re: hazey]
#7955004 - 01/30/08 10:28 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Just read. Read until your eyes fall out, and then buy a braille printer and read with your fingers. Do that until those fall off, and then hire your own personal beeyotch to read your monitor for you. repeat until this person dies, you go insane, etc., etc.
hahahaha
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infestedpasta said: I have been reading alot
A lot is a subjective term. I have been reading data over mycology daily for years.
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of the mushroom growing guides latley,
Much of that data can be contradictive. Another reason to read AsMuchAsPossible.
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so from what I've gathered I can grow mushrooms in my own home
In your home, back yard, garage, car, truck, SUV, Van, Under your Bed, in your Attic.
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using just straw
Chopped Pastuerized Sraw soaked to field capacity. See it's getting more complicating by the minute.
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and other easy to obtain items?
Jars, Grain, Pressure Cooker, Syringes, Tyvek, Ph buffers, Containers, Fruiting Chambers, Misters, humidifiers. Are these easy to obtain for you? If so great, but some people have trouble even buying syringes.
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And I don't need to order spores off the internet?
You may be able to sweet talk a member into trading you some spores for something of value if you hang around here long enough.
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correct me if im wrong please
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Re: So let me get this right... [Re: hazey]
#7955021 - 01/30/08 10:37 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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hazey said: hes a cop, lets hang him...
GIT A ROPE!!
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Yossarian22
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infestedpasta said: I think I was just confused because none of the bluk straw teks mention anything about adding spores.
Edit: I read the PF tek, i understand that I need more then just straw, I just thought the spores where inside the straw or birdseed or something.. I'm sorry if this seems stupid to you people. I will definately be doing more reading, I just got stuck on that question. Oh also, are mushroom spores legal to order, recive, ect?
Do keep reading, but I understand where your confusion is coming from and how it can be difficult to learn about the hobby when you're confused about how different steps in the process relate to one another.
Straw is a bulk substrate, as is dung, coco coir and compost. To get them to colonize, you're going to need spawn. PF jars, or jars inoculated with rye, WBS, popcorn, etc. all work fine as spawn. Think of spawn as kindling for a fire and bulk substrates as the giant fucking logs you throw on the bonfire. You wouldn't try and light a huge log on fire with your lighter to try and start a fire, would you? Once you have a few jars prepared, and filled with mycelium(the "body" of the organism; when in the right conditions, the mycelium will fruit, producing mushrooms), you can either use this volume of mycelium to quickly colonize the bulk substrate which will provide even more volume or nutrients, or you can just use the spawn to fruit directly. Bulk substrates will increase yields, but will also require an extra step, extra time, and can present an extra opportunity for contamination(mold or bacterial infection).
As a newbie, you'll probably be told to use the PF tek. Its main advantage is that the cakes(basically, the contents of the jar once colonized) can hold together and you can just place them in a humid environment and they'll produce mushrooms. With rye or birdseed, you'd need to put the contents in a container and then apply a casing layer, or use the jars to colonize a container full of a bulk substrate. If you have a pressure cooker and are looking for higher yields, it might be worth your while to go straight to rye or WBS(Wild Bird Seed).
Anyway, have fun and use the resources available on this site.
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Re: So let me get this right... [Re: Yossarian22]
#7955719 - 01/30/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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There is no knowledge replacement for experience imo. Read enough to learn how, follow a tek, fuck up, and learn more.
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Re: So let me get this right... [Re: Fraggin]
#7955784 - 01/30/08 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Fraggin said: There is no knowledge replacement for experience imo. Read enough to learn how, follow a tek, fuck up, and learn more.
That's the Gods Honest truth! I just screwed up a bulk grow after 3 perfect grows prior to that. Back to the Drawing board.
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The shroomy 1 said:
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Fraggin said: There is no knowledge replacement for experience imo. Read enough to learn how, follow a tek, fuck up, and learn more.
That's the Gods Honest truth! I just screwed up a bulk grow after 3 perfect grows prior to that. Back to the Drawing board.
that hwerts! i know how you feel man. i just lost a mono a couple weeks ago. i just took a deep breath and went at it again...
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