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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: plainswalker]
    #7968592 - 02/02/08 12:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

T. peruvianus do tend to have longer spines.

T. pachanoi spines are simply not clustered the same and they do not have V-shapped notchs, they have horizantial deppressions.

I think most "Long-spined T. pachanoi" should be considered T. peruvianus or T. bridgesii, but not all of them.

I would not call the cactus in the pic a "Longed Spined T. pachanoi"


Could you get a pic of the areoles close up...

Try to find one that looks good.

I'm betting that cactus would look completely different if grown in another condition.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7969331 - 02/02/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I will get some close up pics when i get my digital camera back, my cell phone pics are crap.

The cactus was grown in pretty crap conditions, tiny pot, limited sunlight, no food, over crowded, too damp - it even had algae growing on it!

Now its on a smoking hot deck, getting 12+ hours of direct sunlight a day, got some sheep crap to chew on, huge pot and it is nearly always dry.

Most of the aeroles are pretty fucked from constant contact with other cacti. I will describe the bottom most aeroles which i think is the best representation of what the aeroles should look like, they have about 10 thick spines that go in all sorts of directions with one large spine (around 3cm long) that slope skyward. The aeroles are generally about 2 - 2.5cm apart. The aeroles are significantly larger from the confirmed San Pedros. They are dome like, white and fluffy and stick out from the cactus by about 2-3mm.

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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7969418 - 02/02/08 04:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

So if a cactus looks just like a South American pachanoi but had longer spines than you think it should, you'd decide it was a different species? That's silly to me. Bridgesii and peruvianus look different.

As for spine clustering I don't know if I agree. I just checked my PC pachs and although the spines are much smaller, some of the plants actually did have the clustering pattern associated with peruvianus (surprised me I thought they didn't). PC's from a different source did not have the pattern though. Pictures of your own Torres & Torres have a spine pattern appearing somewhat similar to peruvianus and if I am not mistaken that clone is thought to be from Chilean pachanoi.

And yes pachanoi can have v-notches.

Whew I am done with this.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: plainswalker]
    #7971057 - 02/02/08 10:34 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Now its on a smoking hot deck, getting 12+ hours of direct sunlight a day, got some sheep crap to chew on, huge pot and it is nearly always dry.





Too hot isn't good.

Trichocereus can take daily waterings in extremely hot weather.



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I will describe the bottom most aeroles which i think is the best representation of what the aeroles should look like, they have about 10 thick spines that go in all sorts of directions with one large spine (around 3cm long) that slope skyward. The aeroles are generally about 2 - 2.5cm apart. The aeroles are significantly larger from the confirmed San Pedros. They are dome like, white and fluffy and stick out from the cactus by about 2-3mm.





That sounds more like T. peruvianus or Cuzcoensis.



Known active clone- T. pachanoi spp. Torres & Torres from Chile.



There are V-shapes on T. pachanoi but they are much more horizantal than those of T. peruvianus.


Known active clone- T. peruvianus "Serra Blue"




The V-shapped notchs of T. peruvianus are really shapped like "V"s.




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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7971219 - 02/02/08 11:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I got some Pedros that have v's that are just like Peruvians or Bridgesii.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: cpw1971]
    #7971359 - 02/03/08 12:06 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

LOL. OK.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7971569 - 02/03/08 01:20 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hmm, it seems to be making some real growth now. When it gains a few more inches and shows its real traits i will continue to try and ID it. It is just too fucked to make a positive ID.

Does anyone know how long the spines of real pachanoi's get? Mine are about 34mm at longest. With up to about 12 spines per aerole.

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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7972176 - 02/03/08 09:43 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

LOL  no really man







I found them on the newer growth though :cool:
  and to the OP..
    I have now decided that what you have could be a San Peruvianesii :tongue:
  j/k though it does share features of all three kinds.
awesome lookin cactus though


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: cpw1971]
    #7972377 - 02/03/08 10:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

:fountain:
U get the word inventor of the year award!


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: Knoa6]
    #7972858 - 02/03/08 12:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Mine are about 34mm at longest. With up to about 12 spines per aerole





Nothing is set in stone with it comes to cacti...especially Trichocereus cacti...


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7997647 - 02/08/08 07:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Okay, so i finally got my camera back so i can show what my cactus really looks like:

Weird bulgy one:



The long spined one:






I took the pics of the aeroles because these two cactis aeroles are so different from the san pedros i have.

The long spined one isnt that yellow its just the camera.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7997977 - 02/08/08 08:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The one in the top looks like a short spined peruvianoid.
The second, and yellow guy is a pachanoi for sure, long spined, very nice looking BTW, 'equal' to yours other long spined pachanoi (probably a brother of your cactus).

A good simple rule is - dark green? v notches? -> peruvianus.
Yellow/pale green and no v notches -> pachanoi.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: felixhigh]
    #7998124 - 02/08/08 09:19 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Its the same cacti, just the phone cam wasnt doing it any favors.

The 'mother cacti' the long spined cacti came off was a very dark green and had extremely blue pups on it. She said that the long spined guy would go much darker when i repotted it as its last pot and position was shit.

Do you get pachanoi's with such pronounced aeroles?


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7998172 - 02/08/08 09:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, when I grow from seed. Mine have lots of blue too.


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