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Trichocereus Peruvianus?
    #7953016 - 01/29/08 09:25 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Hey,

I went to my nursery again to buy some more San Pedros and to see if i could get any T. Peruvianus.

They owner had some cacti that she was unsure about but they looked alot like T. Peruvianus - especially the pups.

This specimen was sold to me for cheap because of its bad health, due to really bad growing conditions (tiny pot, no food/water, wind, limited sun).

I have repotted now and given it a good feed and water, so it should start to look better in the next few weeks.

Could i get some help making a positive ID?











I am fairly well convinced it is a T. Peruvianus, but her uncertainty and the small spines made me wonder..

Cheers!

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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7953027 - 01/29/08 09:27 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Bridgesii I say
I could be wrong


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: cpw1971]
    #7953059 - 01/29/08 09:32 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

bridgesii sounds good


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: casgoodie]
    #7953076 - 01/29/08 09:35 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Hmm i was thinking that it could possibly be bridgesii but the spine nodes are way too close and are 'stepped in' which is completely unlike bridgesii.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: casgoodie]
    #7953084 - 01/29/08 09:36 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

It doesn't look like Bridgesii at all to me.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7953102 - 01/29/08 09:40 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

A lot of noobs are going to say tons of bullshit here but before that happens I will say:

This is T. pachanoi. I liked it because it´s not the classic clone, looks like it´s seedgrown.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: felixhigh]
    #7953284 - 01/29/08 10:05 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Do you get pachanoi's with such big spines?

Here is a pachanoi i bought from the same place today, the spines seem to disappear into its flesh toward the bottom.




Cheers for the input guys :laugh:


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7953321 - 01/29/08 10:14 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

yeah it doesn't look like a pedro to me. the first set of pics I mean
your last set is a definite Perdro


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: cpw1971]
    #7953459 - 01/29/08 10:33 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Hmm yea it is very different from the pedro.

It is still a really cool cacti!

I believe that the best ways to define species apart are:

#1 - The flowers (none right now)
#2 - The growth point (top of cacti where the spines fold out)
#3 - The spines (pattern, number and size)

After considering this and viewing this picture of a Echinopsis peruviana (Trichocereus Peruvianus) from wikipedia:



I believe it is indeed a T. Peruvianus - possibly a hybrid, but it is still too sick to tell for sure.

Cheers!

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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7953542 - 01/29/08 10:45 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Yes pedros can have long spines.


I think your cactus is pachanoi.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: felixhigh]
    #7953895 - 01/29/08 11:41 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

felixhigh said:
A lot of noobs are going to say tons of bullshit here but before that happens I will say:

This is T. pachanoi. I liked it because it´s not the classic clone, looks like it´s seedgrown.


FH




What peeps call T. pachanoi "long spine"?


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: SheikCorp]
    #7953965 - 01/29/08 11:56 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Hmm possibly, i have never seen pachanoi pups as blue as the pups i saw on the mother cacti this came off.

If not, i will be acquiring some definite T. Peruvianus soon :laugh:


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7954091 - 01/30/08 12:25 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

scruffymafia said:
Hmm yea it is very different from the pedro.

It is still a really cool cacti!

I believe that the best ways to define species apart are:

#1 - The flowers (none right now)
#2 - The growth point (top of cacti where the spines fold out)
#3 - The spines (pattern, number and size)

After considering this and viewing this picture of a Echinopsis peruviana (Trichocereus Peruvianus) from wikipedia:



I believe it is indeed a T. Peruvianus - possibly a hybrid, but it is still too sick to tell for sure.

Cheers!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:




this looks more like a Cuzcoensis to me


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: felixhigh]
    #7954618 - 01/30/08 06:41 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

felixhigh said:
A lot of noobs are going to say tons of bullshit here but before that happens I will say:

This is T. pachanoi. I liked it because it´s not the classic clone, looks like it´s seedgrown.


FH




im with u on that felix, looks like a seed grown specimen of the real t.pachanoi of peru/ecuador (not backberg)


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7955485 - 01/30/08 01:09 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I have to admit, i dont have a Peruvianus here :frown: i had my expectations up too high. I agree now that it is as Pachanoi.

Still cool, but not as cool as a Peruvianus.

Cheers for ya help :smile:


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7965904 - 02/01/08 05:40 PM (16 years, 8 hours ago)

uarewotueat and fleix are right.

I think it's an non-P.C. T. pachanoi.

Not the blackberg clone, but a "true" T. pachanoi.

I think it is just as cool as T. peruvianus and is certainly more active than T. cuzcoensis.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7966005 - 02/01/08 06:08 PM (16 years, 7 hours ago)

Cheers for your input Teotz.

What does non-P.C mean bro?

How would you rate the long spine T. pachanoi to short spine T. pachanoi alkaloid contents?

Cheers!


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: scruffymafia]
    #7966360 - 02/01/08 07:55 PM (16 years, 5 hours ago)

PC=Predominant Cultivar

It's the common pachanoi seen in stores. I don't know if I would call your pachanoi longspine, it's still small and it would have to grow quite a bit to really show its personality. Non-PC is a better name because it just designates that it's a pachanoi that is not the commonly available cultivar/clone. Also longspine is a poor name because of the fact that there is not two kinds of pachanoi (shortspine and longspine), there is a wide range of of possible phenotypes not only in spine length but also in the spination, spine color, areoles, notches, glacousness, etc. And because of this diversity and also differences in growing conditions, statements about high or low alkaloid content of your cactus are just speculation.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: plainswalker]
    #7968470 - 02/02/08 12:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The name "long spine T. pachanoi" was made up by M. S. Smith to distiguish one of his clones from other T. peruvianuses.

It is not really T. pachanoi...

"Long Spine T. pachanoi" = T. peruvianus

If you won't take my word for it PM me and I'll send you some links.


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statements about high or low alkaloid content of your cactus are just speculation.




Right, Unless you have the same exact clone and it was grown in the same exact conditions then every cactus will be different.

Some are known to be more powerful than others such as T. peruvianus "Icaros" and T. peruvianus "Serra Blue" from S.S.

But most are highly variable in potency.

T. bridgesii monstrose var. clustering (Clone B) is ALWAYS potent and is very Peyote-like, with a heavy purge and bodyload and intense visuals.


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Re: Trichocereus Peruvianus? [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7968563 - 02/02/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No it wasn't made up by M. S. Smith, it wasn't made up by anyone. Maybe you should check out some pictures of trichos from Peru and its neighboring countries, there is a lot of genetic variability down there. Spine length varies and is affected by a mix of growing conditions and genetics. You can see variation in spine length throughout the different species, it's not as simple as short spines equal pachanoi and long spines equal peruvianus. Kinda like how there are broad and thin phyllode varieties of acacia of the same species and also broad and narrowleaf khat.


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