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    #7952721 - 01/29/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: fushock]
    #7952832 - 01/29/08 09:00 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

If it didn't remind you of any of your trips, it probably wasn't related to drug use.

The universe is only perception, pretty crazy shit can happen if your eyes are opened.


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: g00ru]
    #7952952 - 01/29/08 09:16 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

What could that possibly have been then? Am I loosing my mind?


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: fushock]
    #7953555 - 01/29/08 10:47 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

i get that alot. ive only done LSD 3 times and the other day i was at a hockey game cheering at the top of my lungs and my vision was completly filled with blurs of colors. this exact thing happened when i was screaming at my bro a few months back. weird it was like intense emotions triggered it


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: JohnBlaze]
    #7953635 - 01/29/08 11:01 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

No, it's because you're screaming.

Exertion can cause all sorts of shit. Once I was sure I was about to have a heat stroke because I was backpacking with over 100 pounds and I saw all sorts of shit.


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: Crasher]
    #7953714 - 01/29/08 11:10 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

i actually believe that its you tuning out of the outside world, when your coworker started talking about shit you didn't care about, you tuned him out and that happened. its a state that you try to reach when practicing meditation. also called quieting the mind.


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7953750 - 01/29/08 11:16 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

you cant be serious if your saying vivid hallucinations is a common symptom of screaming. that means at a pro football game all 60000 people there are problobly getting hallucinations, ur mistaken


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: JohnBlaze]
    #7954090 - 01/30/08 12:25 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I get minor flashbacks at work, just some visuals/insights that last for a minute max. It actually makes my work more enjoyable, so thanks acid.
As for your flashback fushock, I think KrishnaDreamer pretty much nailed it head on. When you tune out like that, and you have done psychs recently, it seems to bring you back into that headspace and quite possibly with visuals.
Just notice how when your sitting down and doing nothing a trip is stronger but when your doing something ie. engaged in a conversation, cleaning etc. it seems not as strong. It's all about letting go.


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: Raeven]
    #7954427 - 01/30/08 03:11 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

When you take psychedelics your perception is altered by an increase of impulse processing. Since it's your brain that actually creates all the fantastic things you see, feel and hear when you're on acid etc.; why shouldn't it be more sensitized for impulses after it has experienced these wonders once?
The only reason for us to see the world as we normally do, is the way we wer're forced to grow into our society. It seems to be the minimum of perception we need to survive in a society as big as ours.
When we experience our very own reality from another angle -after doing psychedelics for example- it could be possible for the brain, to remember this mechanism and re-use it later on. Maybe it will be this way -if at all- only for a short period of time, until the normal consciousness gets the upper hand again, but maybe -when your "lucky" enough- it stays that way for a long time, if not forever.


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: Fahkface]
    #7954535 - 01/30/08 05:28 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

nicely put Fahkface;
i like to say also that many of the things that seem to come out of nowhere are normal artifacts of vision and hearing etc. that we had learned to ignore.


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7954798 - 01/30/08 08:54 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Fahkface, although I agree with most of what you said, I don't think I agree with the whole "society raised us to be like this" argument. Society didn't MAKE us not see swirls and walls flying away and whatnot. Most of us were born to see "normally" (so to speak) and psychedelics just fuck with your mind (thus the term "fry").
So... sorry about the rant if I misunderstood what you said :P
But to the OP, you could have just been really tired. When I get really tired I tend to feel and see things that I don't usually.


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: Pootmaster]
    #7954878 - 01/30/08 09:27 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

You can also train your brain to see things through neuroplasticity. An example would be, being able to feel/see energies. You can train your brain to adapt to almost any situation.

Learning how to jump higher. Adapting to meth. Learning Calculous.


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: Pootmaster]
    #7954942 - 01/30/08 10:01 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Perception is the the interpretation of the sum of what our senses absorb. In one way you're right: Humans have, as every other being on the planet, a natural given construct, a frame of perception. So we can't perceive certain things, no matter who much of drug we take, no matter how long and successful we meditate etc.
Within this frame, we're able to influence the way we see, hear, smell, taste and feel things. Everything that's outside of this frame will never be revealed to us.
When you use psychedelics the filter that prevents us from an overflow of information is opened just a little bit, so more information are let through to the brains processing center. Even this small percentage, is able to increase our excitability dramatically.
So what psychedelics do is not a direct influence of the brain, but the stimulation - the increased use of our own nature-given possibilities of perception.
Todays society is so rich on impulses that the human brain would not be capable of the full load of information that our senses actually perceive. An increasing of this overflow of information without the selection of reasonable information (and I mean reasonable in a way of surviving and surviving in this society), would probably lead to the complete excessive demand on our brain.
The simple perceive of impulses that our senses actually receive are almost completely senseless, if they aren't interpreted by our brains processing center. As a defense from this information overload the brain has developed -or better said potentiate- this information filter wall, almost potential to the increase of the societies impulses.
This process runs slower than the societies impulse increase and therefore more and more people get ill from stress etc.
The society has learned us the distinct interpretation of things, in a useful manner, mostly related to ethics, values etc. which are also factors of perception, all actuated by our very human frame of perception.
So you could say, that the society guided us to our way of perception.

I'm sorry for the failures that might be included (grammatic wise, vocabulary wise etc.). I'm from Germany, and sometimes, can't find the right words :laugh:


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: Fahkface]
    #7954998 - 01/30/08 10:24 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Sorry Fahkface, I have to disagree with you here, you are using the plumbing analogy of filter which is an historical error in psychology.

There is no filter, and it is not removed by psychedelics, however, the net result is similar:

All the processing in the cortex is associative or feedback;
the associative analogue of the filter is an habituated seeking routine which jumps from one thing found to the next thing to check or find. This routine is busy and skips that which is out of interest.

Here you can introduce the term perception, which is seeing or not seeing what is looked for.

No filter is involved,
instead the effort of a series of dependent perception routines steers the consciousness around all the in-between features, the unexpected features, the unformed features etc.

Psychedelics affect all cortical activity by extending the fadeout side of signals, making them last longer, overlap, (no filter existed or was removed) - another clear side effect of this is that moments no longer relate directly to linear time in the same way, and threads of interest that would have faded cross over eachother and seem to continue to form their own associative ideas seemingly independent from a central self. (all due to one effect, longer fadeouts)

Cortical activity includes sensory and associative recall, and a good deal of it is intentional feedback (interest and training based).

The role of socialization, or becoming an adult in society, is very important in training us not to see certain things, but socialization seems to be quite simmilar in most societies, so you might choose to call it humanization or just growing up.


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7955098 - 01/30/08 11:04 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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All the processing in the cortex is associative or feedback;
the associative analogue of the filter is an habituated seeking routine which jumps from one thing found to the next thing to check or find. This routine is busy and skips that which is out of interest.




Well, that's what's called interpretation, isn't it.
I have to admit, that you sure give me hard time, to deny, any of these arguments, since they sound pretty much biologically proven.

The filter theses is indeed a stolen one (I think I remember it from Doors of Perception), anyway, the fact that you can actually hear a lot better when you're on mushrooms etc. (and I'm just using hearing because it's alway astonishing for me, to notice that), does not really give me the feeling of overlapping waves. More like an unblocked way of hearing. An explanation for that could be the body indeed is forced to "unblock" certain sounds etc. because it's too busy trying to process all the new impulses running through it's efferent pathways :shrug:

But thanks for giving me the chance to educate myself little further. I think this topic is HIGHLY interesting :smile:


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: Fahkface]
    #7955813 - 01/30/08 02:16 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

what you hear better on mushroom is unfaded sound impressions, and memory originated enhancements which also do not fade as quickly.

what you imagine the effect of overlapping is not the actual effect.
overlapped are the brain waves not sound waves.

that is why you can see and move in multiple dimensions, instead of an aggregate mush.

(when the stacking of unfaded moments is too thick, it does turn to synaesthesic mush)

the overlapping visually adds auras and rainbows like a diffraction grating, but the experience is not too much like celluloid film with layers though that is also noticeable sometimes.

anyway, there really is no biological filter except for the reticular formation in the brainstem, which does shut down the motor sensory to the body, there is no such facility in the cortex. the cortex is all about hosting signals and associating patterns that result from associated signals.

the cortex relies on natural fading to lose the impressions of the moments.


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7955854 - 01/30/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

what you imagine the effect of overlapping is not the actual effect.
overlapped are the brain waves not sound waves.




I was aware of it being the brain waves :smirk:


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: Fahkface]
    #7956096 - 01/30/08 03:22 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

the reason why we can ignore even loud background noise, is that the interference of the other sounds and visual tactile signals is still there with or without the background noise.

so if we are looking for those events we can find presence or lack of them (perception), but if we just relax down, we can hear the background noise again (experiencing & optionally perception).

what is confusing is that Filtering is an accepted turn of phrase from the old days when anything complex was understood as plumbing.

the educational diagrams of brains in those days used to look quite a bit like toilets with turbochargers added to them.

many professors still think of it that way in university today.

Holographic Associative Processing is actually what goes on and it is what is confirmed by all experiments and effective medical treatments.

signals arrive in a series of fading spikes.
those that are experienced together are fixed into memory as a moment image or gestalt.

simmilarity of interference pattern from another gestalt or partial will cause excitation of the full image from memory. if the signals causing the interference are sustained the memory will come up clean and expand bringing other associations.

all will fade quickly with the triggering signals unless extended, either by feedback (restarting due to interst or habit) or extended fading (like psychedelic)


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7956400 - 01/30/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

yup, I saw spots and shit at work...


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Re: flashbacks at work [Re: fushock]
    #7956428 - 01/30/08 04:37 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

i used to get this thing with my old manager at my old job, shes a young indian girl and whenever she took me off for a little chat her eyes and nose was all disjointed asif floating above her face, it freaked me out because it happened every single time she talked to me, it had to be the shrooms or she was an alien or something


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