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kronik08
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too case or not too case, that is the question
#7952486 - 01/29/08 08:12 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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sry about the long ass post kinda amped up on some lortabs, got a lil over excited when i started typing, thanks to neone willing to help me i greatly appreciate it. the acual questions dont start until about half way thru the first paragraph, but to understand the situation read it all, if ur willing. thx again to all that have helped i know a few of u have read my posts several times. thx guys
ive been looking around the shroomery for a lil over a month and have already had my first attempt go wrong while incubating. i have a few ideas of where i went wrong. neways ive been planning to just go ahead and make cakes but now im starting to think fuck it, i may just jump on the band wagon and case. ive heard its more complicated and it kinda sux cuz i already have a fc setup, the pmp. and its supposed to b no good for casing cuz the casing covers the perlite and humidity isnt given off, BUT WHAT IF, i built legs or something to hold the tray up maybe an inch or two will the perlite do the job then.
for my second question which should have been asked first, i just noced up some jars earlier today but only used one middle hole. the jars were pre sterilized, and came like that and the instructions said to just shoot one shot in each, so i stuck my syringe and shot 1 cc in each. should i shake the jars to move the spores around and help the colonization process or just let them be.
the jars were also small thats y im thiking about casing, ive heard that small cakes dont produce enuff nutrients for ample flushes, and im the type of person that when doing somthing i like to do it right so i want some decent to good flushes. can neone point me in the direction of casing teks that consist of materials easy to come by in a gay ass south texas town.
i know i could look it up but thought i would ask and if u wanna talk shit about me not using the search button then dont post its ur perogative but too those of u that are acutally helpful and want ppl to learn something help me out.
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Frost000
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: kronik08]
#7952736 - 01/29/08 08:45 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Maybe you SHOULD use the search feature. It is there for a reason however. More information is needed. A.K.A. what method are you using? PF tek, rye, corn, WBS, etc. If PF Tek then no, don't shake. As for any other grains I shake. Lay off the drugs while working. Anyways to reiterate more information is needed.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Frost000]
#7952805 - 01/29/08 08:55 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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its not to common pmp's have perlite in them. heres how mine is set up. whenever i have extra bulk from my mono's i just make a small tray and place in there and it works great

2nd whoever told you that casing and doing grains is more complicated is retarded. they are a few more steps yes but its easy and the end results are well worth it.
im assuming your talking about that you want to shake a brf/verm jar? NO, never shake them! if its grain, i always shake mine after innocing
you need to get your termonolgy right. casing is a non nutritive top layer that goes on your bulk substrate grows i.e. spawning your cakes to hpoo letting it colonize and putting a casing layer on top of that
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Frost000]
#7952808 - 01/29/08 08:56 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/20/Casing-Procedures
Go 50/50+
You can lift the casings off the perlite.
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kronik08
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Frost000]
#7952829 - 01/29/08 09:00 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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im not working im waiting, and to let u know i wasnt on the drugs when i was working. im using the pf tek method. as far as for whats int the jars, im not too sure, its a "high protein mix" made for colonization of mushrooms, i bought it from the place i bought the spores from. and i am using the search feature a while i wait for ppl to reply, its just i like to know i have the thread going while im searching so i can come back and check on it for info i havent found while searching, i just read the last part of my post and i didnt quite say it right sry what i meant was i know the post is there but if ur just gonna tell me to use it save ur time, i know its there.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Crasher]
#7952837 - 01/29/08 09:01 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Yes, the only time casing and grain is harder is when you're living with your folks and they ask why you've got all these soil amendments everywhere...
I gave you a link for the casing teks.
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Edited by Crasher (01/29/08 09:02 PM)
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kronik08
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Crasher]
#7952860 - 01/29/08 09:03 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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i saw it thx, my jars are as i said a high protien mix i was thinking of shaking them too move the spores around since i inoculated in only the center
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: kronik08]
#7952861 - 01/29/08 09:03 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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If using PF Tek atleast inoculate 4 holes. As far as casing goes, confront that when it's time. DO NOT shake if using PF tek. Good luck.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Frost000]
#7952874 - 01/29/08 09:06 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Forgot to mention, make sure the syringe needle excretes the spore solution on the edge of the jars. If needed tilt to jars until you can get the needle to make contact with the glass itself. PF tek grows on the outside. Therefor you have to get the spore solution on the outer most part of the jar as possible.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Frost000]
#7952882 - 01/29/08 09:07 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Agreed, don't shake your PF jar... It'll only get mad at you and make poisonous gases to get even.
Seriously, A casing killed my dog because I dunked it for too long.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Crasher]
#7952922 - 01/29/08 09:13 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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damn that sux about the dog, but thx for the reply, i wont shake it but it will prob take longer to colonize since there was only 1 inoc point what do u think, btw the directions posted on the bag the jars came in said to only inject once in the center
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: kronik08]
#7952949 - 01/29/08 09:16 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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It'll be a while, but that gives you plenty of time to get your casing materials and FC in order for the birth.
Patience is key.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: kronik08]
#7952953 - 01/29/08 09:16 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Only inject once in the center?? And it's supposed to be a BRF/Verm cake? First off, if you inject in the center, it will take FOREVER for it to colonize. I suggest to mix/prepare you own jars.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Frost000]
#7952969 - 01/29/08 09:18 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Agreed. Plus it just makes you feel good going through all the steps with your own materials.
And I was joking about the dog.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Frost000]
#7952994 - 01/29/08 09:22 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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frost000 i dont believe i said it was brf/verm cake i dk what it is IT SAYS HIGH PROTEIN MIX no specifics on ingredients and since the. i made my own jars on the first try and failed, i had thought i got ripped off cuz these took forever to show up, so once i lost my first attempt to contams i figured y not try these, they are presterilised and since dont have a pc i thought it would help using them to make sure that im not making an error in sterilizing the jars.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: kronik08]
#7953031 - 01/29/08 09:28 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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should i go back over and inject a lil more solution onto the sides since i just innoced them earlier today?
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: kronik08]
#7953048 - 01/29/08 09:30 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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No. Thats just begging for contamination.
Just wait. Maybe make more jars, or buy more...whatever.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: Crasher]
#7953080 - 01/29/08 09:35 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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yea i plan on just making the jars myself i just wanted to use these since they were supposed to b my first grow jars. i thought it would simplify the process and also allow me to see how things are supposed to go. it ended up taking a month for them to get here and over that time period i had no luck with my own jars, so i used these
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: kronik08]
#7953110 - 01/29/08 09:41 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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I understand. I'm merely saying that you've got time on your hands while these colonize, so maybe make a new batch, or get ready to case so you're not looking for hydrated lime the night you planned on casing.
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Re: too case or not too case, that is the question [Re: kronik08]
#7953114 - 01/29/08 09:42 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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kronik08 said: sry about the long ass post kinda amped up on some lortabs, got a lil over excited when i started typing, thanks to neone willing to help me i greatly appreciate it. the acual questions dont start until about half way thru the first paragraph, but to understand the situation read it all, if ur willing. thx again to all that have helped i know a few of u have read my posts several times. thx guys
ive been looking around the shroomery for a lil over a month and have already had my first attempt go wrong while incubating. i have a few ideas of where i went wrong. neways ive been planning to just go ahead and make cakes but now im starting to think fuck it, i may just jump on the band wagon and case. ive heard its more complicated and it kinda sux cuz i already have a fc setup, the pmp. and its supposed to b no good for casing cuz the casing covers the perlite and humidity isnt given off, BUT WHAT IF, i built legs or something to hold the tray up maybe an inch or two will the perlite do the job then.
for my second question which should have been asked first, i just noced up some jars earlier today but only used one middle hole. the jars were pre sterilized, and came like that and the instructions said to just shoot one shot in each, so i stuck my syringe and shot 1 cc in each. should i shake the jars to move the spores around and help the colonization process or just let them be.
the jars were also small thats y im thiking about casing, ive heard that small cakes dont produce enuff nutrients for ample flushes, and im the type of person that when doing somthing i like to do it right so i want some decent to good flushes. can neone point me in the direction of casing teks that consist of materials easy to come by in a gay ass south texas town.
i know i could look it up but thought i would ask and if u wanna talk shit about me not using the search button then dont post its ur perogative but too those of u that are acutally helpful and want ppl to learn something help me out.
Ahem
1) All you need for a casing FC is a tub that will allow fresh air exchange and retain humidity. Drill holes for air exchange, cover the top with something clear to hold in moisture. If it's a clear tub, cover the sides and bottom with something to block light. Dangle a light over it on a 12/12 cycle and there ya go.
2) Casing can be made out of straight verm if you are really lazy or seriously poor.
3) I don't know about the shaking since I don't know what you spat your spores into but shaking is never needed, it just speeds things up when applicable. So, you'll be fine w/o shaking.
4) If you actually do some homework, your chances of success will multiply phenominaly. Shrooms aren't hard to grow but they are REALLY easy to fuck up with a lack of patience or a quick-fix mindset.
Good luck!
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