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How does someone who's blind and deaf create a thought?
    #7952104 - 01/29/08 07:15 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

If they do not have words to articulate what their emotions?


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Re: How does someone who's blind and deaf create a thought? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7952231 - 01/29/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

First off, I am going to assume you know about Helen Keller.

I am just speculating here, but I do not think we need words to articulate their thoughts, ideas, or emotions. Look at animals.

I think that if somebody were deaf and blind, they would only see the world that way and only use that as a frame of reference to express themselves. The problem lies in the interpretation of others who are used to words, or images, as a means to relay thoughts, ideas, and emotions.

Thanks for the post. Really got my noggin moving.


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Re: How does someone who's blind and deaf create a thought? [Re: jackeheart]
    #7952529 - 01/29/08 08:17 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

you know, in some way, their thoughts may in fact be more whole and complete.

our thoughts and concepts are severely limited because of our language. I think a good analogy of how our language affects thoughts is a music store. music is divided into categories like pop, rap, rock, etc, etc... but when looking through the pop bin you know very good and well that some of the artists in their aren't really pop at all, but out of all the bins in the store, that is most deserving place for it.

language affects us the same way. we assign concepts and ideas to words which do not fully describe/define it.


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Re: How does someone who's blind and deaf create a thought? [Re: appleorange]
    #7952706 - 01/29/08 08:41 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: How does someone who's blind and deaf create a thought? [Re: Iolaa]
    #7953743 - 01/29/08 11:14 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Well yeah im aware of Helen Keller but, I don't know how her mind works.

Do you really think that they have a more complete sense though? I mean do they think in a way that (im not trying to put them down im just wondering) that for example a dog might? You can tell when a dog is excited or angry but, can a dog ponder existence? Does a dog have enough knowledge to articulate even meaning of existence? If you get my point


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Re: How does someone who's blind and deaf create a thought? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7955454 - 01/30/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I know what you're saying. In a sense they would kind of think like a dog. Their thoughts would be indescribable and comprehended through instinct/intuition.

You ever had one of those moments with a close friend/spouse, where the two of you don't feel the need to say anything because you just knew what was on eachothers minds? I think that state of mind is a good frame of reference for how helen keller types think.

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Re: How does someone who's blind and deaf create a thought? [Re: appleorange]
    #7956398 - 01/30/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Great topic.

I Think it is just a matter of each persons central point of perception. A dog probably does not have the ability to think of god, where as a blind and deaf person probably can with the use of the hand gesture system Keller help create. But at the same time, Heller types may not have the ability to see into a telescope/microscope and analyze that data. Even further, think about Entheogens and the types of perceptions they can open up about the world, that a strait edge person would not have the ability to conceive that sort of thinking.

But each of the 4 types of people I mention all have their own type of perception, none greater or worse then the others. We do not nearly have the instincts as a dog. Keller probably did understand concepts much better, as Appleorange said:

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we assign concepts and ideas to words which do not fully describe/define it.



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You ever had one of those moments with a close friend/spouse, where the two of you don't feel the need to say anything because you just knew what was on each others minds? I




And some scientists, or rather science thought could be said to have a lack of faith

And A shaman could be said to be lacking the keen grounded perception of somebody who is down to earth and never done any drugs.

just goes to show you, there is always something to be learned and taught.


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There lies the path of knowledge forming thick and thin quantum fluctuations of living operations.
And its inescapable quality of beauty is far beyond the reflection of its depths.
Further I fall diving head first downwards into a black hole, plunging with intension to ascension.


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Re: How does someone who's blind and deaf create a thought? [Re: jackeheart]
    #7958580 - 01/30/08 11:38 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

But how would they be able to think of God if they had never heard of the idea of God in the first place?

:crankey: someone needs to invent a machine to read peoples minds/see what they see.


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