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Meditation Topic (Please dont flame)
    #7951535 - 01/29/08 05:25 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I was meditating today when something very weird happened. I was sitting out in a open field feeling GREAT!. It was such a nice day and i was sick of looking at the plants and diffrent mushrooms around the area so i decided to do what i do once in a while.....I sat and meditated.

As i was sitting there trying to figure out the best way for me to meditate I finally found a area to focus my mind. That was on my Inner energy that has been flowing very strong ever since ive broken up with my girlfriend and have been focusing on myself.

As i was sitting there i let my energy flow. I didnt think about a thing except my energy. As i did this whenever my mind would stray to a topic i let it flow away and let my chi do my thinking for me. Someting really weird happened. I felt orgasmic. Infact it actually gave me an erection. I felt as if i could literly blow a load right there without touching my dick.

I ignored this as best i could and followed this form of ecstasy/sexual feeling and thats when it happened. My eyes automatically looked up, like as if i was trying to see the top of my nose. With my eyes still closed I noticed flashing light. It got stronger and stronger. I kept getting more and more excited when the next thing happened.

My heart started Racing...VERY FAST. I ignored this Panic attack or whatever it was and "Let go" as best I could, if that makes sense.

With my heart racing, my dick erect, and my vision blinking white, and my mind in a form of ecstasy I stopped myself :confused: I seriously was fucking scared at what was going on. I wasnt sure if i was going to have a heart attack or go crazy or what. This has never happened to me before.

Now im deppressed, I wanna know what was about to happen. I feel like i could always go and do it again and completley let go but now im anxious, nervous, and scared. Not to mention feeling guilty. What if i was about to experiance something great or lifechanging and backed out?

Im not claiming enlightenment. Ive heard stories of monks though who were doing things like meditating and then once had a realization, they opeaned their eyes and could see through everything around them. And weird shit like that.


Anyone experiance anything similar or wierd while meditating? What the fuck was going on. I feel deppressed and wanna call or talk to someone but i think they will think im crazy and i think that it wouldnt be in my best interest to talk about it.

If your about to flame me this is a Pre ---go fuck yourself----


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7951562 - 01/29/08 05:30 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Nobody's going to flame you if I have anything to do with it, BUT you should be prepared to have your ideas picked on. That's how this forum works, so lemme set you up right now. If that's not what you want, let me know and I'll move your thread to M&P where nobody is allowed to be critical of ideas.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Diploid]
    #7951576 - 01/29/08 05:33 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Ill get more reply here. Bing on the flames.......but remember you fucks, at least iim trying something useful!


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7951636 - 01/29/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)



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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7951640 - 01/29/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

the type of meditation you were doing is sensual charkric energy meditation.
you got ready to meditate, and then while looking for an object to concentrate on, you "loitered" in your energy flux.
then the energy flux became the object of attention.

I don't reccommend doing that, but I am pretty strict about keeping the object very simple and constant.

what you did is not wrong.
this is how samatha vipassana meditation was discovered,

technically your pent up sexual energy began to resonate with you pumping it using your applied concentration, and you began to get layered energy effects including feedback and panic.

many people who have not had results in meditation would be very envious. At this point, you might either want to do it more or get past this sensual feedback stage and move on to samatha vipassana, which is superficially more boring, but it is also less likely to give you a panic attack.


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7951642 - 01/29/08 05:51 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

There's a reason a lot of shamanic art shows the shaman with an erection. It's pretty common as far as I'm aware.



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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Middleman]
    #7951643 - 01/29/08 05:51 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I don't know if this makes me a loser, but I occasionally apply meditational processes and techniques to masturbation. Mainly out of curiosity.

It makes things pretty weird.


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7951801 - 01/29/08 06:22 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
the type of meditation you were doing is sensual charkric energy meditation.
you got ready to meditate, and then while looking for an object to concentrate on, you "loitered" in your energy flux.
then the energy flux became the object of attention.

I don't reccommend doing that, but I am pretty strict about keeping the object very simple and constant.

what you did is not wrong.
this is how samatha vipassana meditation was discovered,

technically your pent up sexual energy began to resonate with you pumping it using your applied concentration, and you began to get layered energy effects including feedback and panic.

many people who have not had results in meditation would be very envious. At this point, you might either want to do it more or get past this sensual feedback stage and move on to samatha vipassana, which is superficially more boring, but it is also less likely to give you a panic attack.




Interesting. Honestly I have not meditated that much. I could probally count the number of times ive meditated and get a pretty acurate guess. However one thing im very good at is dealing with my Chi. Even though i dont meditate much i count on my Chi (or whatever you call it) for alot of things. It's what gives me my clear thought process. I caint explain how I do it but I actually play with my Energy path for alot of things.

This is amazing though. I got really scared. I felt like I could of let go, and the blinking would have stopped and my vision would have been all white. Is this Normal? Would I fuck up my mind if i would have kept going?

Im nervous because I once read (On the internet so that in itself could say something), but i heard a guy write about how people can get Enlightened, but if they arnt ready for it they could go insane. Is this correct?

Anyway what should I do? You would reccomend doing this again? But you said right above that you wouldnt reccomend me doing this again, or were you talking about loitering? Im kinda scared, what happens if i dont Loiter?

Edit:: and on a side note what was up with my eyes? Does the third eye actually exist? Was that what they were looking at?

Sorry for questions Looks like i should study some of this


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7952375 - 01/29/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

i would not reccomment this approach. but it wont make you mad, but it wont get you enlightened either.
people go nuts by believing they are special, above others.
in meditation you note passing phenomena, without interpretting.

read heart of buddhist meditation if you like, or a hundred other good introductory volumes.


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7952817 - 01/29/08 08:57 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Definitely an interesting story. I've tried meditation but I'm 'topic-jumper'. Everything is connected and I always jump from topic to another based on how they relate to one another.


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7954101 - 01/30/08 12:27 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

you have to remember that energy is everything. if you cut an atom in half, pure energy is what is causing that explosion. so once you break down atoms, you see that everything is energy. the funny thing is, we don't even know what energy really is so your thoughts could have been all over the place. i think your focusing on energy may have been to much for you if you are not experienced with meditation. instead, meditate on your breath or something more simple, works great for me.
the eyes thing is a little weird. sometimes i can feel my eyes sort of roll back in my head and get super relaxed but it can feel funny as well if not used to it.
peace and good luck with your journeys in the future.


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: publicenemy1]
    #7954588 - 01/30/08 06:20 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

i haven't had a meditation that was exactly like that one, but i've had powerful meditations in a sense of strong feelings and sensory changes.

it got to the point where whenever i wanted i could sit down and meditate for about an hour and experience something that was roughly as perception changing as a strong drug trip. i also got the feeling of giving up before allowing the "truth" to completely obliterate me, but occasionally it still took up to months to recover after the stronger meditations.

i eventually gave up meditating. i decided two things were most likely occurring, A) that i was just making perception into a manual rather than automatic process or B) i was actually on some sort of universal path to enlightenment. i gave it up because either way if I start taking meditation perceptions as real, or if i indulge in them too much, i wind up uncomfortably far away from being able to relate to people, and by extension being unable to relate to the world and the times.

I would say if the definition of crazy is deviation from the norm than powerful meditation will indeed make you crazy, and i worried that i would wind up with nothing except my enlightened thoughts, ya know?

so i would say don't worry about it, if you've done it once i'm sure you can do it again. Also i think you can go as deep or as far as you want to go whenever you're ready, but is there necessarily ever a good time for it?

if you're familiar with chi, i decided to stick with kind of a taoist mentality, if the meditation isn't making me physically and mentally healthier, than its of no value, regardless of any cosmic bullshit going on. I think light stretching is healthier than deep trance states.

oh yeah, but if you still want to satiate your need for mental exploration: i switched all my exploration to lucid dreaming and OBEing. it winds up pretty much feeling the same as when awake, but you have that sleep/awake barrier that makes integrating experiences unnecessary, so it doesn't interfere with you life the way awake enlightenment will.


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7954613 - 01/30/08 06:35 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

oh yeah, the vision blinking white, i used to get that too... guess what , its a symptom of schizophrenia (not just that, there's a bunch of things that can cause vision flashing). that was one of the reasons i decided to stop hard meditating, i didn't want anything that was also a symptom of schizophrenia.

edit: i was pretty sure i read that the above was true, but now when i type "schizophrenia flashing vision" into google i can't find anything that would agree. so maybe thats wrong.


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7954752 - 01/30/08 08:26 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

people are constantly scaring themselves.
if meditation is getting scarey, introduce a more gentler attitude.
this is an illustration of the kind of gentle consistency required



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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7954766 - 01/30/08 08:34 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I tend to have many experiences where I later wish I had let go a bit more into the experience, feeling as though it is a matter of letting go to a unique experience to discover a permanent state of deeper calm and understanding. But the thing is, letting go seems to be a continual process of loosening tension and attachment to great experiences like the one you had. We let go at the rate that we are able.


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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7954832 - 01/30/08 09:07 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Can you say kundalini rising? That's my guess.

As to your pre-empting on the flaming that's just lame IMO. If it was me I would grow some balls to go with that hard on.


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Icelander]
    #7955427 - 01/30/08 12:53 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Perhaps a thread on "Growing Some Balls" might help us all out (except for these guys!)



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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7955442 - 01/30/08 12:59 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Dude wtf? :lol:


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7955750 - 01/30/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

"What if i was about to experiance something great or lifechanging and backed out?"

So the lesson that you learned, that you'd rather push yourself in those scenarios, wasn't a life changing one? Everything is life changing man.


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Re: Meditation Topic (Please dont flame) [Re: Spiritual Seeker]
    #7959285 - 01/31/08 06:46 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Forget everything you have read.

It is good to experience the flow of energy. It is fine to use it as a focal point for meditation. However, one needs to maintain a spacial frame of reference at the same time, so as not to focus on specific body parts along with the flow. However, one can focus on flow and on the solar plexus at the same time. This is the time honored meditation method for kundalini and shakti type silent meditations. Spacial reference, focus on solar plexus (called hrit padma - heart chakra - a bit lower than the heart), letting go. This is basic shakti meditation.

Almost any of the contents of ones mind will cross into the meditative state.

Don't even worry about being enlightened for awhile. Meditation, like eating, should be done for its own merits. One is not eating to go run, or eating to go work, or eating to go play, no, not really, one eats every day, rain, shine, happy, sad. So also meditation should be done every day, as part of life.


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