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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: TheCow]
    #7956257 - 01/30/08 04:05 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

This is a quantum paradigm which departs markedly from the synaptic electrochemical transmission of neural signals. The apparently simultaneous firing of distal neurons occurs at a speed that seems to defy the Einsteinian speed of light limit. This phenomenon has been noted among quantum physicists who would naturally be opposed by proponents of Einsteinian physics. However, quantum experiments have revealed that complementary particles far from each other respond with simultaneity which violates the light-speed limit and some are positing both classical and quantum physics as operating together on their respective levels. It may well turn out that the 'speed of thought' exceeds the light limit because of the 'non-locality' of consciousness. Non-locality may indicate transcendence of space-time (the 'place' of electrons as well during quantum leaps).

This paradigm seriously considers the primacy of consciousness over matter. Instead of 'material monism' then, the supposition is "monistic idealism." C.G. Jung and Wolfgang Pauli collaborated on such a theory but Jung didn't live long enough to co-create it. Matter and mind would then both be aspects of Consciousness which transcends both manifestations in its non-locality (non-extension in space-time. Consciousness is insubstantial because it is not a substance and 'connects' all of space-time simultaneously, whereas energy is limited in its transmission by light speed).


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: deimya]
    #7956280 - 01/30/08 04:09 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Heyyy...Thanks for all that. "Decoherence interpretation"...Hmmm. I've got some reading to do, this domain is clearly unfamiliar to me. I appreciate the post.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7956287 - 01/30/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Matter and mind would then both be aspects of Consciousness

So if you don't mind, it doesn't matter.:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Icelander]
    #7956316 - 01/30/08 04:17 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

How about some new material? :tongue:


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7956335 - 01/30/08 04:22 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

The brain is too noisy for coherences to exist across several neurons. Inside each of them maybe, but they get exponentially suppressed outside.

Regarding non-locality, it is a common misconception that these correlations between events seemingly spatial seperated violate Einstein's limit. It is now a known theorem in quantum mechanics (the no-communication theorem) that no information is carried over by correlation due to entanglement unless an a-priori classical channel is put into place. This was not known, or at least not well formalised, at the time of Jung and Pauli, and as such fueled many heated debates without giving rise to any consensus. The reality is not exactly mysterious the way some proponents of consciousness over matter would like it to be. Yet mysterious it is.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Icelander]
    #7960458 - 01/31/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Right. No matter, never mind.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: deimya]
    #7960570 - 01/31/08 02:58 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

This is conceptually fascinating material to me. I have avoided it in the past due to the fact that despite forced classes in algebra, calculus, Boolian algebra, statistics and research design, I have a self-diagnosed Learning Disability in mathematics. In addition, I managed to avoid even basic physics before leaving hard science in college for philosophy. I feel like I'm sheepishly trying to be taken back by a former mistress, some 37 years later! I also tended to avoid studying knowledge pertaining to physical form in favor of 'salvific' knowledge, or at least, knowledge pertaining to Consciousness itself rather than the objects in Consciousness.

I have an additional insight about my new interest in such matters. 1) I am perfectly capable of admitting my ignorance of classical physics. Thus, I have the necessary humility in this domain to be a new student (like a white belt at the rear of karate class) and 2) I swear that the 'smart drugs' we've been taking has fired up a youthful enthusiasm for new knowledge. Lastly, I can imagine a Grand Unified Theory that reconciles mysticism with quantum physics. It was a milestone discovering how the work of a Bible scholar (Rev. John Shelby Spong) could reconcile faith and reason, and this was a step which corresponds (in me) to the reconciliation of mysticism (or the Mystery of Consciousness) with quantum physics (physics meaning nature in Greek). Thus, it is not a dichotomy of energy and matter in a materialistic monistic idiom, but rather consciousness and matter, mind and brain, or Nirvana and Samsara for all that.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7960625 - 01/31/08 03:10 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Quote:

MarkostheGnostic said:
'smart drugs'




Vinpocetine :thumbup:


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7964364 - 02/01/08 11:13 AM (16 years, 16 hours ago)

mushroom spirit is like saying the god of Christianity.

How about this energy that is all around us and sometimes(if our heads aren't up our asses) we recognize it.

i'm sure the mushroom spirit would be so offended if mushroom spirit knew you dubbed mushroom spirit the mushroom spirit. Assmask!


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For water benefits all things
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It provides for all people
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a man is loath to go
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