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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7951551 - 01/29/08 05:29 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

the brain has little to do with quantum mechanics. If you know anything about how the brain functions, or how individual neurons function, this is extremely obvious.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: TheCow]
    #7951566 - 01/29/08 05:31 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

The brain is like a super complex switch board


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: TheCow]
    #7951570 - 01/29/08 05:33 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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the brain has little to do with quantum mechanics. If you know anything about how the brain functions, or how individual neurons function, this is extremely obvious.




But quantum mechanics concerns all matter.

Gray matter is no exception.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7951594 - 01/29/08 05:37 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

While that is somewhat true, when I pick an apple up, you cant apply the peculiarities of quantum mechanics to the situation


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: TheCow]
    #7951600 - 01/29/08 05:38 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Well, no, I can't personally, because I honestly don't know squat about quantum mechanics.

But I do know quantum mechanics deals in the fundamental physics of atoms, of which that apple is made up. Of course it applies.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7951603 - 01/29/08 05:40 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Yea but you cant claim that the apple is in different spots, all that sort of stuff. The brain does not work on quantum mechanics, it is a macrosystem


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: TheCow]
    #7951606 - 01/29/08 05:42 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

It is a macrosystem, but one which functions based on principles we have only the sketchiest understanding of. Being that it is made up of ATOMS, quantum mechanics is included in those principles.

Also, there are still a lot of mysteries concerning the macrosystem itself.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7951609 - 01/29/08 05:42 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

:smilingpuppy:


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: TheCow]
    #7951622 - 01/29/08 05:46 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

There's a lot of mysteries concerning the brain


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7951842 - 01/29/08 06:29 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Who here believes that The Mushroom Spirit is some sort of real entity1 with intent and purpose2 and why3?




1) I don't, but I could be wrong....
2) We are the one's with the intent and purpose (or lack thereof) - when consuming such things....
3) Best guess at my current plane of "knowledge"....


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7952199 - 01/29/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I think its more of a gateway to higher understanding and enity and being connected with all.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7952326 - 01/29/08 07:52 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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I honestly don't know squat about quantum mechanics.




Squantum mechanics, then?


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7954359 - 01/30/08 02:17 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Who here believes mushrooms can cause temporary ego loss?

Who here thinks that can be an interesting experience?


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Rose]
    #7954377 - 01/30/08 02:28 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Ego loss is everything I can connect to the network, I am one with all. I hear a voice like legion we are all one we are all knowing. We are vibrations of energy and light. I can see the vibrations. Scooby poopkachoo


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Cubie]
    #7954646 - 01/30/08 07:11 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

i'm not really too sure, i've had visions of entities that exist smeared across multiple dimensions. like if we took just this world and made a metaphor, it would be intelligent beings that are made up of a shoe here, the tree branch over there, a piece of a computer, a door, ect. the visions were like that but the mushrooms were spread out across many different planes, with the actual physical mushroom just being the projection of the being in this world.

but imagination is pretty strong, i'd say its quite possible my brain just crafted a nifty explanation for why mushrooms make people feel the way they do, so i'm going to have to say i'm undecided.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7955396 - 01/30/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

'There are reports that psilocybin mushrooms can engender a dialogue between the one who ingests them and a voice of unknown origin. The objective of the present study was to search for such reports, to look for differences between those who reported having heard a voice with psilocybin use and those who had not, and to characterize the voice. An anonymous questionnaire was distributed among the members of several organizations resulting in a sample of 128 participants. The phenomenon of a perceived voice during psilocybin mushroom use was reported in better than a third of participants.'

'Overall, the results of this study suggest that what made the difference between hearing a voice or not with psilocybin was more about what people did, than who they were. Can it be said that there are boundaries to the human psyche? Psilocybin voice experiences force us to confront our notions of a personal self and a universal Self.'

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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7955481 - 01/30/08 01:08 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Wow, that article is really interesting!


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: deranger]
    #7955663 - 01/30/08 01:45 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Everything has its own energy, and shrooms definately have a strong energy!


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: TheCow]
    #7955848 - 01/30/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Yea but you cant claim that the apple is in different spots, all that sort of stuff. The brain does not work on quantum mechanics, it is a macrosystem




A good point, but some radical theorists disagree. Even the moon, a macro quantum object has a more stable wave function and therefore appears with imperceptible changes but (they say) ceases to be in an objective manner. Now, I can grok that when a tree falls in the forest, it falls silently, unless there is some receiving mechanism to translate vibration into sound, but I still can't get my mind around the moon not being there when we all turn our backs!


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7956000 - 01/30/08 03:01 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Yes, some disagree but always too much. The interpretation of quantum mechanics is still hotly and oftentimes wrongly debated. Of all the proprosed interpretations, the "common sense" one would argue that the tree falling in the forest is "heard" by all surrounding trees and that in fact the whole universe is listening. This is the stance called the decoherence interpretation, in which all the quantum fluffyness is dispersed and mixed more or less quickly into its surrounding, since it is everything but empty. Same thing for the moon. The universe is a very noisy place with gazillion listening "ears" and this is why at some mesoscopic scale stuff seem to stop behaving quantum mechanically.

But this doesn't mean that a macroscopic object has no property coming directly from the quantum world, or that it completly transmute into something unrecongnizably mechanical. Just take metal for example, there's literally a sea of electron behaving very "quantum mechanically" at their surface, making them shiny and all.

Accordingly so, it is argued by some that very weird things could be going on at the scale of neurons, so the debate is not closed. In fact there's probably something going on at every scales imaginable which has more or less an influence on these emergent phenomenons we call brain and consciousness.

As an objective observer, the human brain likes to speak of itself as being all about neuronal networks, or all about chemistry, or all about physics, or all about quantum mechanics, but these are always based on contemporary ideas which will eventually evolve. And most importantly they are based on what the brain know, not on what it doesn't.

So what does it feel like to be a conscious human ? Does it feel like a neural network ? Like complex synaptic chemical reactions ? Electrons binding together ? Wave functions evolving according to Dirac equation ? Gauge invariant quantum fields interacting together ? My stance is that since it is a subjective experience then it feels like whatever nature is made of, deep down and up here, regardless of what we do and don't know about it.

Hence for me the "mushroom spirit" is the perceived subjective change of how it feels like to be made of nature when you mess with synaptic chemical reactions using tryptamines, and that's why I think it might bear some interesting insights.


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