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Mushroom Spirit as literal fact?
    #7950588 - 01/29/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

In this thread, let's disregard all of the poetic, mythical and allegorical variants of 'The Mushroom Spirit'. Who here believes that The Mushroom Spirit is some sort of real entity with intent and purpose and why?


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7950631 - 01/29/08 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Why ignore the myth and metaphor? It seems that this would severely limit the scope of discussion.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7950641 - 01/29/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Agreed.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7950675 - 01/29/08 02:42 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

Psilocybe Cubensis said:
"I require the nervous system of a mammal. Do you have one handy?" :smile:




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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7950707 - 01/29/08 02:49 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Why ignore the myth and metaphor?




To narrow the scope of discussion. Are you not free to start a thread that more appeals to your interests instead of muddying this one from the very first response?


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7950714 - 01/29/08 02:51 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Terence McKenna said:

"I've literally had the experience on mushrooms of saying to it, "Show me what you are, for yourself."
Well, it's like there's this enormous organ chord, the temperature falls, black velvet curtains are raised
-- and after about 20 seconds of that, I'm saying,
"That's enough of what you are for yourself!
Let's go back to the dancing mice..."




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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7950730 - 01/29/08 02:54 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

There was no muddying. I'm free to question. That's all it was, a question.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Middleman]
    #7950734 - 01/29/08 02:55 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I once tried that, though on probably not a high enough dose (~5 grams spaced out over a few hours). There did seem to be a change...I vaguely remember this alien, somewhat maniacal cackling laughter and there seemed to be spiraling blackness opening up inside and around my head. That's a shitty description but what can I do? Anyway, I think it likely it was just my own mind kind of teasing itself by prompting the hallucinations to move in a certain way.


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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Lion]
    #7950819 - 01/29/08 03:16 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I think tripping has a lot to do with our soul. I like dmt. The spirt molecule.
And mushies had a big role in intelligence


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Cubie]
    #7950840 - 01/29/08 03:23 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I think i get what you mean, but you'd probably have to clarify.

To me the mushroom experience is one of symbiosis. This one time I tripped I lay down and closed my eyes waiting for it to spread throughout me. During this I had visions of intelligence and alien, seemingly ancient, symbols drifting across my doors of perception. This however could all be attributed to the collective unconscious. Maybe the "Mushroom Spirit" is more of a key, than an actual entity..


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7950863 - 01/29/08 03:28 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Yes. A key, I think its the key to a higher conscience. Maybe their alien or aliens put chemical knowledge in certin stuff


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Cubie]
    #7950905 - 01/29/08 03:35 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

As the psilocybin molecule contains 36 atoms in A SPECIFIC LOCATION and each molecule is IDENTICAL, how much knowledge can be contained?


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7950992 - 01/29/08 03:49 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I guess the same way snails have messages un their slime where they have been where there going their sex ect......

Knowledge inbeded in the atoms.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7951050 - 01/29/08 03:59 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
In this thread, let's disregard all of the poetic, mythical and allegorical variants of 'The Mushroom Spirit'. Who here believes that The Mushroom Spirit is some sort of real entity with intent and purpose and why?




I think the farmers are behind all this. It increases sales of those little white shrooms that old hippies love to ingest on their cheezy pizzas.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7951122 - 01/29/08 04:14 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
As the psilocybin molecule contains 36 atoms in A SPECIFIC LOCATION and each molecule is IDENTICAL, how much knowledge can be contained?




The knowledge comes with the reaction. The amount of reactions from those 36 atoms seems to be limitless.


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Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Kickle]
    #7951140 - 01/29/08 04:17 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Hell yea :thumbup:


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Cubie]
    #7951239 - 01/29/08 04:34 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Even acknowledging that psilocybin's raw magic is worked through a relatively simple unchanging molecule, I'm willing to accept the possibility that the mushrooms have a conscious and aware "spirit" behind them. I feel the same way about LSD, and in fact, everything else that exists (and doesn't exist) under the sun (and elsewhere). When you eat mushrooms you speak to their spirit, just like when you drive a car you commune with the spirits of transportation, oil, cars in general, your particular car, the road, et cetera.

We're all engaged in constant dialogue with the universe, we just don't always use words and we're not always aware of it.

Animism makes a lot more sense to me than the personality cults that have tried to bury it.


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7951244 - 01/29/08 04:35 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Spirit is archaic language for consciousness. I am reading a physicist's book in which he is using quantum mechanical properties and applying them to consciousness.

When an electron is observed, its wave function collapses and a 'particle' is observed (say, as a trail in a cloud chamber). The electron is both wave and particle (wavicle), but the presence of consciousness, observation, has an effect on the physical properties of the electron. Similarly with a 'mind' or a consciousness or a spirit. Just as an electron exists 'in potentia' and its position is 'uncertain' until observed, certain states of mind may exist 'in potentia' in a transcendental condition outside of space-time (just as an electron might be during quantum jumps from one location to another).

Mushroom spirits, just like individual 'minds' may parallel the observed electron when it is observed and it falls out of its 'probability cloud' which is 'potentia' becoming actual. It's an interesting application of quantum physics to the field of consciousness which I happen to be into at present, so I thought I'd mention it. There is local and non-local consciousness. Non-local consciousness is a transcendental condition out of which local consciousness can manifest to the mind-brain - like when a wave collapses to a particular particle.

All gods and incorporeal beings exist in transcendence. The Greeks were therefore correct, mythically, when they said the gods and goddesses resided on Mt. Olympus, as were the Hindus and their Mt. Kalaisa, and the Hebrew's Mt. Sinai - all metaphors for specific 'spirits' living 'on high'


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Cubie]
    #7951302 - 01/29/08 04:48 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Cubie said:
I guess the same way snails have messages un their slime where they have been where there going their sex ect......

Knowledge inbeded in the atoms.




I'm not trying to derail this thread or anything, but aren't snails hermaphrodites?


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Re: Mushroom Spirit as literal fact? [Re: Kickle]
    #7951486 - 01/29/08 05:16 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Kickle said:
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OrgoneConclusion said:
As the psilocybin molecule contains 36 atoms in A SPECIFIC LOCATION and each molecule is IDENTICAL, how much knowledge can be contained?




The knowledge comes with the reaction. The amount of reactions from those 36 atoms seems to be limitless.




And there are different levels of reaction one can experience through merging with this intelligence, depending on the receptivity of the user. If you take one person who is utterly identified with mind and another who is more aware (receptive), the more aware person will be effected on a completely different level and will be able to tap into this separate intelligence with greater depth leading to a more self-expanding experience.


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