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Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan
#7950438 - 01/29/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2008/01/obama-is-the-democrats-reagan.html
Obama is the Democrats' Reagan Obama beat the Clintons like a drum tonight. And then he beat their sorry [deleted] again in this magnificent victory speech. Watch the speech. Really, watch: if this man gets his party's nomination, he's going to be the next president. By a landslide. And he is going to transform this country. If I were a Republican, I'd be very, very afraid. Oh wait, I am a Republican. Dang. Lord have mercy, I wish that man were a conservative. Because there's no doubt in my mind about what he can accomplish for liberalism if he's elected. You've heard of Reagan Democrats? Barack Obama is the Democrats' Reagan.
No kidding, this is a terrific speech. Look, I don't want a man who believes the things Barack Obama believes to be president. But I've got to confess, he makes me proud of my country. When's the last time you heard from a politician that made you proud of your country? Here's the speech -- spend the next 17 minutes watching it. Whatever you think of Obama, you won't regret listening to this oratory. How any Democratic voter could choose Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama is a mystery to me.
I know, I know, it's only a speech. And you don't vote for a candidate solely because he gives a good speech, which is to say, entirely for therapeutic reasons. But if this Obama keeps talking like he does here, he's going to be president.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: KingOftheThing]
#7950519 - 01/29/08 01:58 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Obama will not win the nomination because the Clinton's will steal it.
but if he did win the nomination------Obama would be exposed for the inexperienced, wrong ideas, wrong positions, liberal Moonbat that he is
This is just the beginning.
This racist is way over his head.
Once the free ride is over, so is his candidacy.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: lonestar2004]
#7950573 - 01/29/08 02:16 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: Obama will not win the nomination because the Clinton's will steal it.
but if he did win the nomination------Obama would be exposed for the inexperienced, wrong ideas, wrong positions, liberal Moonbat that he is
This is just the beginning.
This racist is way over his head.
Once the free ride is over, so is his candidacy.
I don't question your opinions on Obama in general, but am curious as to how you came to the conclusion that he is "racist."
I am fully aware that curiousity killed the cat. But I will be open-minded to your response if you make it seriously.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: gluke bastid]
#7950718 - 01/29/08 02:52 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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"Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois today urged hundreds of blacks not to vote along racial lines next week in Maryland's Senate race. Obama, the only black U.S. senator, came to the state to rally support for Democratic Rep. Benjamin L. Cardin, who is white. Cardin's Republican opponent, Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele, is the first black candidate ever elected statewide and has been courting black Democrats."--Associated Press, Nov. 3
"The nation's only black senator, Barack Obama, D-Ill., asked voters at two black churches and at a Nashville rally to elect [Harold] Ford, a Democrat who is trying to become the first black senator from the South in more than 100 years. 'I know that all of you are going to work the next couple of days to make sure it happens, because I'm feeling lonely in Washington,' Obama said at the Mt. Zion Baptist Church. 'I need my dear friend to join me.' "--Associated Press, Nov. 5
Obama asks for the people of Maryland not vote on along racial lines and then urges people to vote for Ford because of his race.
what is that?
next the Church that Obama attends is pro African, pro black and no whites welcome.
Obama’s longtime minister, mentor, has been a key supporter of Louis Farrakhan and last month honored the Nation of Islam leader for lifetime achievement.
WTF
Farrakhan has repeatedly made hate-filled statements targeting Jews, whites, America, and homosexuals. He has called whites “blue-eyed devils” and the “anti-Christ.” He has described Jews as “bloodsuckers” who control the government, the media, and some black organizations.
Do you know some of these satanic Jews have taken over BET [the Black Entertainment Network]?” Farrakhan said in a speech on Nov. 11, 2007. “Everything that we built, they have. The mind of Satan now is running the record industry, movie industry, and television. And they make us look like we’re the murderers; we look like we’re the gangsters, but we’re punk stuff.”
Basically obamas church is involved with a group that preaches racism and hate.
IMO if the head of your church and your personal mentor and main adviser is a racist, you're a racist.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: lonestar2004]
#7951000 - 01/29/08 03:51 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Now if Mitt Romney started saying vote for me because i am white and there are Too many Black people already in Washington then he would be toast.
and if he attended a Church that preached racism and hate he might end up in jail.
What scares me if Obama Denounced his church and stopped attending!!
IMO he would get a second chance being black and a good bullshitter....
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: lonestar2004]
#7951986 - 01/29/08 06:50 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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IMO if the head of your church and your personal mentor and main adviser is a racist, you're a racist.
Right. I suppose the same would apply for the many priests who molest children? I think the "Don't judge a book by its cover" saying comes into play here.
Obama is a great orator. It's going to be interesting to see what happens on Super Tuesday. 8)
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Fahrenheit]
#7951997 - 01/29/08 06:53 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Obama is a great orator.
You seriously believe that?
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: zorbman]
#7952039 - 01/29/08 07:01 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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zorbman said:
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Obama is a great orator.
You seriously believe that?
I seriously do; being able to move people with words as he does is a trait of great orators.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Fahrenheit]
#7952350 - 01/29/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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How would you compare his oratory to Ronald Reagan or Martin Luther King Jr.?
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: zorbman]
#7952963 - 01/29/08 09:17 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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obama is a great orator
however he isnt nearly the scumbag reagan was. i dont think obama will support muderous contras or sell weapons to iran...or have the cia smuggle coke into los angeles for that matter
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: KingOftheThing]
#7955117 - 01/30/08 11:09 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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however he isnt nearly the scumbag reagan was. i dont think obama will support muderous contras or sell weapons to iran...or have the cia smuggle coke into los angeles for that matter
I don't think Obama would have a choice...
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: SoY]
#7955138 - 01/30/08 11:16 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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What is that supposed to mean?
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: zorbman]
#7955146 - 01/30/08 11:19 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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zorbman said:
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Obama is a great orator.
You seriously believe that?
If you seriously believe he is not, you would be in the ridiculously small minority. I'm not one to be moved by politicians, as I've heard alot of them say alot of things. But even my Republican friends say that while they may disagree with Obama on every single instance of policy, the guy can give a speech.
Nobody thinks he isn't a good speaker.
Except you.
Apparently.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7955196 - 01/30/08 11:36 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Nobody thinks he isn't a good speaker.
Except you.
I didn't say he wasn't a good speaker. He is adequate. I think the main thing which is inspirational is the candidate himself. Perhaps people are confusing that with his speaking ability.
I guess standards have dropped if he is considered a great orator. He normally speaks in close to a monotone and tends to be unfocused. His Iowa speech was pretty good though.
Mostly though it sounds like he is just going through the motions and following the teleprompter. Many people I have talked to don't get Obama as a great orator. He just doesn't rise to that level.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: zorbman]
#7955221 - 01/30/08 11:48 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Wow.
Okay, we are in total disagreement.
And I highly doubt he's using a teleprompter for these. Why would he?
So you really don't think this is a good speech? This does nothing for you?
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Edited by Madtowntripper (01/30/08 11:55 AM)
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7955223 - 01/30/08 11:49 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Well, I fucked that up.
Christ, but I'm bad at technology.
The top one should work, or else somebody can fix it.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7955227 - 01/30/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Just copy the address from the address bar and post that.
I already saw the speech and again, I'm not denying he is an adequate speaker. Just not a great sweeping orator in the tradition of a Reagan, MLK, or JFK. If that's what people are claiming I don't get that.
The lack of focus is usually when he strays from his prepared text. He tends to ramble a bit. I have also noticed his speech writers are not very good. I cannot think of one memorable line from any of his speeches except the word "change" which is merely a campaign slogan to be inserted 24.5 times per speech.
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Edited by zorbman (01/30/08 11:57 AM)
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: zorbman]
#7955239 - 01/30/08 11:54 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Yeah, I don't normally do youtube at all.

Oooh, you're good.
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Edited by Madtowntripper (01/30/08 11:54 AM)
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7957203 - 01/30/08 06:45 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Lenin and Hitler had great "oratory" skills also....
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: lonestar2004]
#7957584 - 01/30/08 08:07 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Lenin and Hitler had great "oratory" skills also....
Indeed. But notice how people were inspired, not at the topics of their speeches. I agree that Hitler was indeed a great orator. But what does that have to do with Obama being one as well?
I agree that Obama does stumble and fumble a bit with his words, but even so, I still believe that he's a great speech giver.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Fahrenheit]
#7958245 - 01/30/08 10:25 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Don't underestimate how much a speech making president can move a country. I don't question for a second that he won't move us in the right direction. Please, no comparisons to Hitler. At the worst, he'll be ineffective, which is 100 times better than actively detrimental.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Ferris]
#7958316 - 01/30/08 10:40 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Give us a break guys. Sure, Obama can give a great speech. However, if giving a good speech is worth so much, how the hell did we get the tongue-tied illiterate bozo we have now? RR
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7958322 - 01/30/08 10:41 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Ralph Nader.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7958398 - 01/30/08 10:57 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Give us a break guys. Sure, Obama can give a great speech. However, if giving a good speech is worth so much, how the hell did we get the tongue-tied illiterate bozo we have now? RR
Oh come on, you can't come up with your own explanation for that?
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Ferris]
#7959691 - 01/31/08 10:33 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Oh come on, you can't come up with your own explanation for that?
Of course. But it has nothing to do with dubyas amazing powers in the art of public speaking.  RR
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7960477 - 01/31/08 02:41 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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It doesn't hurt when your opponent is a cigar store indian either.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: zappaisgod]
#7961729 - 01/31/08 07:26 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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Unless they got the bomb
Yee haa
Dont tread on me
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: carbonhoots]
#7961945 - 01/31/08 08:21 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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It's always nice to see a coherent post from carbonhoots
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Ferris]
#7962157 - 01/31/08 09:14 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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That Obama is considered a great "orator" has been a mystery to me.
Until now.
Since he is clearly NOT there must be something else to this. Why are people so willing to lie to themselves in this regard?
How many of you are willing to admit the following is true about the public perception of Obama as a so-called orator:
Obama is black.
Obama is articulate.
Most blacks are not articulate.
Therefore Obama is a great speaker.
Think carefully before you answer.
"He ain't 'een got da party's nomination.."
I love how Bush instinctively lapses into Southern drawl and lingo as soon as the thought of a black man occupying his office comes up..he sounds just like Strom Thurmond right there.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: Fahrenheit]
#7962187 - 01/31/08 09:22 PM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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This racist is way over his head.
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Obama asks for the people of Maryland not vote on along racial lines and then urges people to vote for Ford because of his race.
what is that?
next the Church that Obama attends is pro African, pro black and no whites welcome.
Alright dude, first of all, ease off your guns. A black senator urging people to vote for another black senator, whom he is possibly even friends with, does not make him a racist. The guy is black, he's a minority. Find me a black person that doesn't want to support his own race in America and I'll shake your hand.
Second, you can't judge a book by its cover. His church may be "pro-black" and may even not allow white followers. But not every person who calls themselves a Christian is against gay marriage, and not every Muslim believes women should cover their faces and always obey their husbands. The point is, its not as if Obama is going to get into office and force laws against whites. The man is looking out for the best interests of our country, and if he tries to support his black community, then what the hell is the big deal? Has he said anything that offended you as a white person? Are you fearing getting oppressed? Barack Obama is an intelligent, enlightened man, who has what it takes to fix, or at least try to fix, the mess the Bush administration made out of this country.
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Re: Republican Blogger says Obama is Democrat's Reagan [Re: BrainChemistry]
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I agree, just because he supports a black candidate, or attends a pro-black church, doesn't mean that he is racist. I challenge most of you to name ten minorities, to your region, in your church or other social group. This is not a sign of racism, rather of a joint group with joint customs, and beliefs. The Democratic party doesn't allow Republicans in their party, that doesn't make us ego-centric or close minded, that makes us democrats.
Second, please don't compare Barack Obama to Hitler and Lenin. First off because i don't accuse Bush of being a Fascist, which Hitler was, and second because Lenin was the first leader of the USSR's communist party and did not support Stalin, and likely the direction that that country went, i challenge you to interpret the communist manifesto and tell me that it isn't ideally the best example of a social society.
Barack Obama is a great orator, and an inspiration to this country. On top of that he represents new direction, which i don't think any one can deny is much needed in American politics. More of the same will not solve any of our problems.
VOTE! Please vote, but even better VOTE OBAMA 08!
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