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Subbedhunter420
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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: CureCat]
#8032537 - 02/16/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ive checked the site i discovered them un several times and nothing has come about although the place is becoming over grown with poison oak so it might become difficult to check in the coming months. I have a belief that they will disappear for some time. hopefully im wrong but the weather has been changing a lot and fast. change of seasons.
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Send alan and i up there, we don't get poison oak.
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Brandon Methany said:
Hi Joe and Alan:
May be a hallucinogenic Inocybe? Compare with Inocybe aeruginascens Babos. There's an icon of this species in Bohus & Babos (1977) Fung. Rar. Ic. Col. 8: pl. 62. I don't seem to have this publication handy at the moment. However, it looks like the stipe is reddening a bit, unlike the description for aeruginascens in Kuyper, but it doesn't really look like icons of haematca and tricolor.
What was the odor like?
Also compare to Inocybe insinuata Kauffman, which is known only from the type locality at Berkeley. Per description (which Kauffman must not have seen fresh) it has aspect like Hebeloma, chalky white pileus, submarginate bulb; I looked at the spores of the isotype while at WTU and observed elliptic spores mostly 7-8 X 4.5-5 um. Not knowing much about it, insinuata could be near geophylla. No green mentioned, but the spores you photographed do look elliptic with rounded apices (that is, not amygdaliform).
If you send me a piece, I'll sequence it.
Regards, Brandon
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Awesome. Can't wait for the results!
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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: CureCat]
#8051456 - 02/21/08 11:22 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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> Also, they think its now inocybe??? I thought it was definitely in the hebeloma family.
Hebeloma was a rather popular thing to call it last week, but I have heard a lot of different names used to refer to them this week.
As you may have noticed, the new trendy thing to call it is Inocybe. Many people are using this genus to refer to your collection.
I remain unconvinced that its an Inocybe and still call it Hebeloma, and a formal poll of mycologists conducted recently found that 95% of them agree with that name.
Of course, not everyone is convinced.
Have you sent it in for DNA testing?
You may have noticed a tendency in the past few days for people to describe your collection as Pholiota. If you have been to any underground parties or certain coffee shops, you probably have noticed by now that many of the "hipster" types are now referring to your collection as a Pholiota. In fact I overheard a conversation in whole foods this morning, some random chick was telling her mom that it was pholiota subcaerulea and the mom was like no way, its totally a hebeloma, where do you kids get these wack ideas today, did you hear that on TV?
When Amanitarita heard that some people were calling it Pholiota subcaerulea, she decided to contact the worlds most famous Pholiota expert Coleman McCleneghan, the response is below.
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Coleman McCleneghan said About that mushroom. With the information given I don’t think Pholiota….spores are wrong. I don’t know about the other characters, not enough to go on. Pholiota subcaerulea; is a Smith and Hesler species, studied from four collections. I always get a little wary about Smith and Hesler species based on so few collections. Maybe the color of the pileus fits but in S&H’s type description they don’t mention roughened spores and they do mention pleurocystidia with highly refractive hyaline amorphous bodies. That fits the definition of a chrysocystidium. The cystidia shown did not seem to fit that description. Bye Coleman
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I would like that poll to have more people do it so theres more of a consistency in the vote but its there. nevertheless.
Anyways, so Ive been very busy with work and arranging a large event this weekend but I would like to be reminded who needs samples.
Curecat, do you need a sample for DNA analysis?
Brandon Mantheny needs samples. ( I got this)
anybody else?
Ill have these samples out by saturday. Im not gonna make it to the post office before then...
To bad we cant find a damn family this mushroom goes in. If I could find a new species in my lifetime I could die happy. I would feel that I was able to at least leave some marker on this world. I cant thank you all enough for your efforts.
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If it's not a new species, it's a damn rare one for sure! Good luck man. I hope you've got something new there! I can't wait to hear about some DNA results.
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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Hotnuts]
#8056514 - 02/22/08 01:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well I traversed the poison oak of the forest to find a SINGLE but LARGE specimen today. Ill have the pics up in a few but I have to go shower and adjust the photos for the web. It was found in the exact same spot as the others and blues at the cap like the others. has the same smell too!
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Awesome!! Can't wait to see the photos!
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very nice man
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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: psilophile.7]
#8057181 - 02/22/08 04:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Go post count, eh??
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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: CureCat]
#8062886 - 02/24/08 12:38 AM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok sorry folks for the 36 hour delay. Here are the pictures of the specimen I found on 2/22.


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Nice. Dry that.
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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: CureCat]
#8064573 - 02/24/08 01:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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almost dry. also have some really good spore prints from this baby.
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cactu
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did i tell you i was happy for you , iam i have been in the back round , but enjoying all the time 
all the very best ......
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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: cactu]
#8066684 - 02/24/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't see any signs of cortina on that one, so that should pretty much ditch Cortinarius. They damn near look like Poison Pie's to be honest. Poison Pie's don't bruise blue though.
Any bluing on the new collections?
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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Hotnuts]
#8066830 - 02/24/08 10:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I see light blue on the cap.
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Alan Rockefeller
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Brandon Methany took a look at it and says its an Inocybe. He said that it might be close to Inocybe corydalina.
I think he got the ID right, it did have a really strong odor that could be considered matsutake-like. It smelled like matsutake and radishes.
Take a look at this mykoweb page which was added recently:
http://mykoweb.com/CAF/species/Inocybe_corydalina.html
Looks like a good match to me.
Edited by Alan Rockefeller (04/23/08 09:27 PM)
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Psilocybian compound[s] and muscarine, that's a horrid combination.
alan, cure; i think we all need to march point on subbed's hunts with him, i'm not sensitive to poison oak either. maybe we'll get to find blueing inocybes in california... lol.
on an interesting note, the Inocybe, also from california and identified on this page as I. maculata looks similar, and also demonstrates light blue on the caps. i don't know if the spore/cystidia composite associated with it is from the pictured collection, or a know collection of that species, but the specimens pictured look atypical of that species.
i'm well out of my realm with these mushrooms.
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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it. If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.
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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Hotnuts]
#8321315 - 04/23/08 10:24 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i laugh a bit when i revive all this thread it evolutionate from an active pluteus, that , then was drove to hebeloma, cortinarius debate , even in the third page GeorgeM, suggest the answers , no one doubled check( ), then the cortinarius race, got and end and the kingdom of the inocybe, begun in south Cali , one more time ........
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georgeM said: What do you think about something like Inocybe corydalina or Inocybe haemacta - possible synonyms?
Cool mushrooms whatever they are... everyone seems to be looking in the right places. good luck...
Nice micrographs Alan...
Sometimes you can buy used SEMs (without the manual) for the price of used car.
all my best vibrations, let the new maping of the psilocybian species expand .........
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