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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7996040 - 02/08/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I sadly dont use my email. only used for this and school emails.

If you would not mind doing that, only cuz i dont really know how, It would be much appreciated. besides, I wouldnt know what to write him exactly. whether i would discuss psilocybe or not...


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7996066 - 02/08/08 12:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> If you would not mind doing that

No problem.

> I wouldnt know what to write him exactly. whether i would discuss psilocybe or not...

I would recommend not. Academics are cool to a point, but the shroomery is wayyyyy outside their comfort zone, 99% of the time.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7998803 - 02/09/08 12:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

What do you think about something like Inocybe corydalina or Inocybe haemacta - possible synonyms?

Cool mushrooms whatever they are... everyone seems to be looking in the right places. good luck...

Nice micrographs Alan...

Sometimes you can buy used SEMs (without the manual) for the price of used car.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: georgeM]
    #7998977 - 02/09/08 01:49 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Sometimes you can buy used SEMs (without the manual) for the price of used car.




LOL – yeah, but where do you put the thing? Doesn't exactly fit on a desktop. I suppose you could put it in your garage and leave your car in the driveway. :smile:

Of course, there's also the small matter of having to install a whole other electric line and electric panel in your house, because that's how much power they consume.

Also the matter of getting training – believe me, an SEM not the kind of device one can just "figure out", even with a manual.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Strophariaceae]
    #7999649 - 02/09/08 10:47 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

haahaa
Wait... don't you just position a little mirror toward a south facing window?


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Subbedhunter420] * 1
    #7999743 - 02/09/08 11:30 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Did anyone else see this?


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7999753 - 02/09/08 11:31 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Lol that is amazing


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: implee]
    #8000254 - 02/09/08 01:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)




could it be?


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: C9XMVHCH]
    #8005893 - 02/10/08 06:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8008439 - 02/11/08 11:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They arent any better than us it seems at identifying this thing and I really doubt its a pluteus salicinus like Mj said. I dont think we will get anywhere with Mycotopia if Mj cant help. Besides, he just starts talking about something "Yours truly" did in a french magazine.

a little conceited and off topic? maybe...
but maybe new answers in time will help.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Drewwyann]
    #8008801 - 02/11/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Did anyone else see this?






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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: undergrounder]
    #8008833 - 02/11/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Hahahaha, you got it!!!


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8009084 - 02/11/08 02:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Tjakko Stijve said: As for the mushroom you sent me, the description is poor, and the pictures could also be improved. It would have been of help to know whether it was growing on the same wooden tronc as Pluteus cervinus. There's a fair chance that it could be Pluteus salicinus, because advanced specimens can really have a bluegreen Pileus . Raphanoid odor is also pointing in that direction. Alternatively, P. cyanopus Rea would be a candidate, but this customer is so rare that I cannot even find a good picture of it on the WEB.





There is no way this sample could be a Pluteus, that genus is known for free gills and the gill attachment on this mushroom is not even close to free.

Also, Pluteus always has smooth spores, never ornamented as these are.

Pluteus also typically has much closer gills, the spacing in this sample is much wider.

In addition, the spore print color is wrong, Pluteus always has at least a tinge of pink, never just brown.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8009098 - 02/11/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Source: http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=82256&p=3&topicID=15376604

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Dave Wasilewski said: Species of Gymnopolis have orange/rusty to brownish/rusty spore prints with variably warty spores that show elliptical profile under the scope. Phillips lists a few species for which the upper limit on l/w ratio is fairly close to 2/1. The spores pictured above seem to fall within these parameters. My experience interpreting microscopic features does not extend much beyond looking at the spores; it looks like a few of these scope-pics show some stuff other than spores. On the macroscopic side, the bluish staining/bruising of the cap fits into Gymnopolis. Also, there appear to be yellow/orange stains on the stalk, another feature seen in some Gyms. Gym species are often associated with pronounced odors -usually not disagreeable. The Gym species I've seen here in the east have deeper-colored yellow or orange caps, and the gills are darker than the ones pictured here. Another possibility for the genus of the ones in the photos is Hebeloma. Some H species exhibit the marginal veil remnants on the cap, as appears to be the case in the top photo. And, the "radish" odor is something I have noted in H. crustuliniforme. But I know of no H species for which there is bluish staining on the cap. Also, for several different H species Phillips lists the spores as "almond-shaped" or "lemon-shaped", with only one species -H. sterlingii- having ellipsoid spores. I would call the spores in these photos "ellipsoid." Phillips (Roger's Mushrooms, online) includes descriptions of several Gyms and Hebelomas. Arora -whose information is often based upon studying specimens found in California- also gives good account of these two genera. Species of Agrocybe usually have ringed stalks, but A. praecox has a ring that sometimes dissappears. Some of the features on the ones pictured -including overall appearance- are reminiscent of A. praecox. So, I guess this one should also be mentioned. The spores of this typical springtime mushroom are elliptic, but smooth.

My guess is "Gymnopolis."






Agrocybe is an interesting guess, there is one active in that genus. According to Mushrooms Demystified and the PNW key council, Agrocybe always has smooth spores, but that might just be US collections. The pictures on the web of Agrocybe farinacea do bear a striking resemblance to your photos. I'll have to check and see if your specimen has a cellular cap cuticle.

Can anyone find the species description for Agrocybe farinacea? It was published by Hongo in the Journal of Japanese botany, issue 32, page 143, 1957.

Gymnopilus is another good guess, but I would expect those to be more orange.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #8009184 - 02/11/08 03:04 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I disagree strongly with Gymnopilus and Pluteus.

Though, I did consider Agrocybe early on, I discounted it because it looked sooo much more like a Hebeloma- I've never seen Agrocybe with a pale and viscid pileus like in these photos.

EDIT - I just found some photos of Agrocybe that look quite like these. So never mind! They are both good guesses.

I'm going to try and find photos of other genera in the family Bolbitiaceae.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: CureCat]
    #8011925 - 02/12/08 02:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Its a possibility but have they been known to exist at all in the united states? It said on the Lycaeum that they are from japan. also I dunno about the agrocybes... it sounds close but they NEVER had that much brown on the caps as the pictures I saw and the gills were attached to the stem. They dont seem to attach to the gills in the existing pictures of agrocybe farinacea Ive seen.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8011928 - 02/12/08 02:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Do these look right>

The Agrocybe Farinacea from Lycaeum.



The unknowns...

Compare.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #8012258 - 02/12/08 07:24 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

they look different to me. Stem textures seems different, and of course yours are lighter. The gill attatchment seems different too. Were any of yours found growing cespitose like that? They could be some kind of undescribed agrocybe.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: landsnorkler]
    #8012340 - 02/12/08 08:12 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I'm still thinking Cortinarius. The best comparison that i've been able to find is C. oregonensis. I don't see any remarks that include scale of the spores, but here's what I can offer from the description Roger Phillips has for spore scale. 6.5-7.6 X 3.7-4.6 microns. Ellipsoid and slightly roughened.

The description ellipsoid seems to be different from mycologist to mycologist, but I would say that description fits those spores Alan.


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Re: Possible So cal active (pluteus?) [Re: Hotnuts]
    #8012393 - 02/12/08 08:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"I dont think we will get anywhere with Mycotopia if Mj cant help".

That wasn't very nice. :smirk:


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