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Apollyphelion
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Neurology Forum?
#7950099 - 01/29/08 11:38 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Wouldn't philosophy be best spoken of at the neurological level? A benefit would be:
-Getting rid of most of the subjective experience (however when speaking about the neurology that objectified the mindstate, would be subjective in of itself, so a neurological charting must be made for the observation, then a neurological observation must be made for the neurological observation keeping tabs on the original experience.
So we can talk about Aliens, elves, santa, and God (even those pesky emotions such as love!), using neurological arrangements such as graphing/charts/spreadsheets, all that scientific good shit. COMPLETELY objectifiable evidence.
What would that bring debating to? That would make Aliens as worthless (or of equal worth) to Love? Remember: We are only speaking about the concept as it relates to how your brain is objectly organized, not what the concept means beyond your organic brain.
So using this reductionist model, I came to the conclusion that: Emotions are as real as aliens. People who believe in aliens and people who believ in love are at the same level. Both are inherently subjective, therefore improvable, unless we are talking about the very real neurological cluster they represent...
Anyway, thoughts? Just throwing out ideas. As usual. My words, in this context are like shrapnel, just want to see who gets hit;-)
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If one were to pursue that method, one would simply be equating ALL of human experience, since experience would only be interpreted as series of chemical reactions in the brain. I think it is foolish to remove interpretation and depth from human experience.
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I agree with you on a certain level. In the sense that some times, when the case requires, it is most indicated to use the reductionist method. But I'm totally fine with expanding a well. We can perfectly talk about both aliens and feelings, because obviously both of those have an effect on us, effect which has other effect(s) on our power of decision. Feelings exist because they produce a chemical change, or the other way around, a chemical change produces a certain feelings within ourselves. I think it goes both ways. I'll give you an example for that. Two equally tired people are listening to music, one of them keeps feeling tired and depressed and the other decides to let himself float in that music, vibrate and resonate with it, which in extent creates a state of well being. It was his choice to do something to shift his mood, even if it was the music that produced the actual change. He decided not to be deaf to it, and also had the projection of the result of his choice. We still don't know whether or not consciousness is created by the brain, or accessed by it. It's good to specify this exact matter. because it means an entirely different thing than it is or isn't generated by the brain. Also one can't certainly state the aliens don't exist. But one can inquire for proves when it comes to a specific case. For instance... "that UFO you aw might as well have been human made, a falling star..." It's a trial of probabilities if you like. Evidence is such cases is required, because otherwise we might end up exorcising or worshiping stars, taking out fears for demons... it wouldn't be the first time.
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Re: Neurology Forum? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7950306 - 01/29/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: Ohh baby, your affection and approval stimulates my frontal lobe and my parietal lobe just can't resist your touch.
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i got hit by that shrapnel too and I'm profusely bleeding
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Re: Neurology Forum? [Re: Boots]
#7954474 - 01/30/08 04:37 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Thank you for all the replies.
In all honesty, this piece was sarcastic. Supposed to make you puke with the monotony and the "ultimate reductionist" level. Well not puke, just be a little disgusted at debasing human nature in such a logical manner.
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Vigilant_Mind said:If one were to pursue that method, one would simply be equating ALL of human experience, since experience would only be interpreted as series of chemical reactions in the brain. I think it is foolish to remove interpretation and depth from human experience.
Agreed, 101 percent.
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Musroomtrip said:"that UFO you aw might as well have been human made, a falling star..." It's a trial of probabilities if you like. Evidence is such cases is required, because otherwise we might end up exorcising or worshiping stars, taking out fears for demons... it wouldn't be the first time.
Why can't we talk about it as it was real? Shouldn't philosophy be about the theoretics as much as what is "considered real" Shooting something down because you do not have evidence, is simply denying yourself, at the very least of a magical thought process/mental adventure. Irrational people might not think that ride is over. That would be the best time to use the word "dumbass?"
Evidence never really convinces me of anything, you could say, just because of the complexities of causality, and the wide range of Human Experiences possible. You can say there isn't sufficient data for Aliens, really though, we'd learn more about a person if we humbled ourselves and talked to that person as to validate his "encounter" Science is to prove to people and Philosophy is to move people. At leat that is how I see it, correct me if I am wrong. I LOVE being told I'm wrong almost more than anything else.
Or would that be under the philosophy of thinking?
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I think there's something wrong in the processing of your mind. You constantly talk about jenkim(?) Butt we never make it!!!! Butt hash ROCKS!
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MushroomTrip
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Why can't we talk about it as it was real? Shouldn't philosophy be about the theoretics as much as what is "considered real" Shooting something down because you do not have evidence, is simply denying yourself, at the very least of a magical thought process/mental adventure. Irrational people might not think that ride is over. That would be the best time to use the word "dumbass?"
We can talk about them about being a possibility. Like I said, it's a trial of possibilities and until now we haven't came across any solid evidence that aliens are indeed visiting Earth. I think that a further differentiation between the possibility of aliens exiting in the Universe and the possibility of aliens visiting our planet must be done. It is not wrong to discuss any possibility, as long a we don't make an error out of taking it as a fact. Also the fact that in some cases, what was thought to be an UFO was proven to be a weather balloon, a star or some other HUMAN aircraft, make the entire probability scheme incline towards the possibility that alien spaceships might not be visiting Earth.
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