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meatcakeman
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casing help
#7948477 - 01/28/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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i started with an LC of Gulf Coast from there i completely colonized 6 PF-style pint jars from each pint jar i made approximately 2 casings using the Wafer Tek (slicing the colonized cake into ~2" wafers) in total i had 11 casings 9 of which i distributed throughout my network of friends (i'm a nice guy ) my friends' casings seem to be doing fine which leads me to my problem
for each casing i had about 3/4" of vermiculture on the bottom and for the casing layer i used 50/50 mix from walmart
but both of my casings stalled! i am seeing no sign of growth
my viable conclusions: - cold temps (the temps in my grow area are at a constant temp of ~65) but i use a heating pad  - both of my casings were hit with trich, but i surgically removed the infected areas from my casings then used table salt which seemed to have worked as there are no signs of trich anymore - i just suck at all things mycology 
help?
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xaxphaanes
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- both of my casings were hit with trich, but i surgically removed the infected areas from my casings then used table salt which seemed to have worked as there are no signs of trich anymore
toss them they are toast
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Fahkface
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I'd also toss them, though I can understand that this is a decision that's hard to realize. But it's the only safe way, also in order to get rid of the mold spores, which is probably too late now anyway, since I guess you've dealt with the trich indoors.
I don't know if I got it right, but are you heating without a thermometer to check the temps? That might have nothing to do with your Trich problem but it's highly necessary to change that!
Nuke your casing layer before using it and give it a new shot. If you want to stick to your method do so, otherwise I'd just crumble and case the cakes (this has nothing to do with your failure!).
Try to stay off the area you handled the Trich in for a while and do everything again. Sometimes it's just a question of luck and bad luck!
Guess that's all I can say! Don't risk your health by eating fruits (if there'll appear some) coming from probably contaminated casings! It's not worth it!
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xaxphaanes
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Re: casing help [Re: Fahkface]
#7949107 - 01/29/08 02:41 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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ok microwaving is a 50/50 shot it's almost pointless. also trick spores cannot harm u so it's not bad for your health unless you get an ungodly amount in your lungs and will make you coughl.
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ok microwaving is a 50/50 shot it's almost pointless.
Ahm, never read the the articles about the scientists of the University of Florida that actually proofed, that just two minutes in th microwave kill 99% of all spores, bacteria etc.? It's correct that you can't achieve a 100% sterilization by throwing your casing material in the microwave but you can kill a huge part of all the bacterias, spores, molds etc. that are in there. So it's not pointless at all!
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also trick spores cannot harm u so it's not bad for your health unless you get an ungodly amount in your lungs and will make you coughl.
Most of the Trichoderma species are indeed harmless, except for people with a weak imune system. However some species, such as Trichoderma harzianum and Trichoderma viride are producers of potent mycotoxins! So throwing out fucked up casings, would be wiser descision than eating mushrooms coming from such casings, I guess.
Edited by Fahkface (01/29/08 03:44 AM)
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Re: casing help [Re: Fahkface]
#7949190 - 01/29/08 04:06 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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The less trich is exposed in your house the better for keeping trich out of your mushrooms.
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Fahkface
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ScavengerType said: The less trich is exposed in your house the better for keeping trich out of your mushrooms.
That's probably the biggest benefit you get from throwing them out!
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udok
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Re: casing help [Re: Fahkface]
#7949246 - 01/29/08 05:54 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Fahkface said:
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ok microwaving is a 50/50 shot it's almost pointless.
Ahm, never read the the articles about the scientists of the University of Florida that actually proofed, that just two minutes in th microwave kill 99% of all spores, bacteria etc.? It's correct that you can't achieve a 100% sterilization by throwing your casing material in the microwave but you can kill a huge part of all the bacterias, spores, molds etc. that are in there. So it's not pointless at all!
Hmm? What happens if one percent of 1000000 organisms with an exponential growth rate, concentated on a few spots,surrounded by areas free of antagonists, survive?
post-editited to clarify the disadvantages of microwave use
Edited by udok (01/29/08 07:02 AM)
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Fahkface
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Re: casing help [Re: udok]
#7949266 - 01/29/08 06:28 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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You should ask the same question about EVERY other sterilization tek. There's no way, you can achieve a 100% sterilization at home.
On the other hand, I don't know what happens to the left 1 percent. Hopefully they just die by themselves
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rizingfire
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I wouldn't worry about eating the fruits, I would worry about inhaling the spores and have it colonizing in your lungs. I have a mold remediation company and mold related lung surguries are on the rize. Aspergillus has been rooting in lung tissue. Stachybotrys can kill you if you eat it but I doubt that will grow on cakes. Trich's mycotoxins can make you sick but for the most part you just don't want colonies of spores in your house. So it is probably a better idea to chuck it.
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udok
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- both of my casings were hit with trich, but i surgically removed the infected areas from my casings then used table salt which seemed to have worked as there are no signs of trich anymore - i just suck at all things mycology 
help?
One do not know whats under the surface. I once had only a match head sized green spot on the casing layer of a poor fruiting container. When i dumped it(outside), most of the kernels were green.
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