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will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS?
    #7947801 - 01/28/08 09:14 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

i am trying yet again. a friend gave me a syringe with myc in it to try, being that the last batch of spores has done absolutely nothing.

my question is this: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up growth using the WBS tek? i got some WBS from the store, brought it home, soaked it, looked through it and discovered that there is quite a bit of shelled and cracked sunflower seeds mixed in with the millet, etc. is this a problem? should i get different WBS?

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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: itsallnines]
    #7947850 - 01/28/08 09:21 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

You should be fine. I usually take most of them out because most of them float to the top during the soak but people around here have left them in with normal results.


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: bait_]
    #7947861 - 01/28/08 09:23 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

SWIM used WBS with floating sunflower seeds and without. No problems either way.


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: itsallnines]
    #7947862 - 01/28/08 09:23 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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i am trying yet again. a friend gave me a syringe with myc in it to try, being that the last batch of spores has done absolutely nothing.

my question is this: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up growth using the WBS tek? i got some WBS from the store, brought it home, soaked it, looked through it and discovered that there is quite a bit of shelled and cracked sunflower seeds mixed in with the millet, etc. is this a problem? should i get different WBS?

thanks in advance!



why would you even remotely think that sunflower seeds would cause a problem


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: bait_]
    #7947875 - 01/28/08 09:25 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Well first of all did you do proper research on Wbs does it have a high white millet count, is it a cheap seed or a more expensives seed there is lots of information that you should look at before making such a purchase. If you failed before it could be the wrong seed what kinda Wbs are you using???


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: TobesCanaian]
    #7947923 - 01/28/08 09:31 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Proper sterilization techniques mitigate any risk of sunflower seed contamination. Thats just junk misinformation.


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: TobesCanaian]
    #7947938 - 01/28/08 09:35 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Well first of all did you do proper research on Wbs does it have a high white millet count, is it a cheap seed or a more expensives seed there is lots of information that you should look at before making such a purchase. Sunflours seeds can cause a problem in some cases thats why most people pick them out cause if they are closed when you pc and they they crack after they could harvest contams. If you failed before it could be the wrong seed what kinda Wbs are you using???



sunflower seeds cracking open has nothing to do with contams


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: Crasher]
    #7947949 - 01/28/08 09:36 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Thats just information i got off of this forum, if it is wrong then i will admitt it however its been said many times i apologize i have read alot about grains cracking rye berries sunflower seeds and many others could cause possible contams but i stand corrected if i have given inproper information. I personally use a finch seed that is 100% white millet which gives me amazing results and i never had to worry about that. so again i stand corrected but like i said i have read it many times so i just offer what i have been told.


Like i said i stand corrected there is no need for a witch hunt here guys

I removed it from the post to help stop the cycle of bad information


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: TobesCanaian]
    #7947976 - 01/28/08 09:41 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

cool!!


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: tahoe]
    #7947988 - 01/28/08 09:43 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

But still back to my point you still need to select proper seed with or without sun flower seeds there is a selection process, did you read what the best types of seeds were before you bought it?


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: TobesCanaian]
    #7948236 - 01/28/08 10:40 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

um... i read 'finch seed' which i purchased. i also keep reading to remove the sunflower seeds.

chill, man. seriously. i asked a question. i did some research. i still have a question.

as for why i thought sunflower seeds are a problem, it has to do with the fact that every tek i've read talks about discarding them. if its that complicated to use birdseed, its for the birds and i'll try rye instead.


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: itsallnines]
    #7949352 - 01/29/08 07:26 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

rye is better but the people who write the techs do not always know why they do stuff. There is no definative reason why people remove seeds. Some say contams but there is no proof of this. Some say because of the size/shape, okay this is valid but not a "must do or you will fail" senario.

When I used seed and if i do not simmer first than I will not remove the sunflower seeds. I just add seed/water at a 2:1 ratio and pc for an hour.

When I simmer the seed first i will remove the sunflower seeds because it is easy and the grain is a more consistant size/ structure without them. This has nothing to do with contams.

anyone saying that they are bad and cause contams or anything else bad are spreading misinformation. Thios place is riddled with it. This is why we see so many people failing at the pf/mmgg tech. bad info floating around this place.
Boath those techs are designs for 99% success for first timers but yet 99% of the people here fuck it up.
IDIOTS!!!!


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: tahoe]
    #7949499 - 01/29/08 08:24 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

ok, then. sounds good. another reason i was concerned about sunflower seeds is due to their very high fat/oil content, which is very different from most grains. i was thinking that the fat/oil may be a problem simply because of the difference between most spawn mediums that seem to consist primarily of grain(s).


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: itsallnines]
    #7949675 - 01/29/08 09:21 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

The quality of WBS in the last few years has gone down dramatically. I won't even use it anymore because it's not consistant from batch to batch, even with the same brand. In addition, most is imported in bulk from china and only packaged elsewhere, so it's likely loaded with lead and mercury, both of which will appear in the fruits if present in the substrate.

Use rye berries, grown and produced in westernized countries.
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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7949719 - 01/29/08 09:35 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

that is what i am going to do. i actually have the shopping list in front of me and rye is at the top of the list. it just seems much simpler to use rye: no straining, no worrying about the seed mix, just rye.

its always nice to have RR chime in on the thread! thanks, RR!


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: itsallnines]
    #8035780 - 02/17/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

The quality of WBS in the last few years has gone down dramatically. I won't even use it anymore because it's not consistant from batch to batch,
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I agree but Rye is SO EXPENSIVE


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8035861 - 02/17/08 10:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

rye is just a little over twice as much but it is at least 3x better.
I use rye for all my indoor edibles and wbs for my outdoor projects


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: itsallnines]
    #8035881 - 02/17/08 10:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i get it for something like 99 cents a pound, organic, at wild oats. doesn't seem outrageous to me....


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: itsallnines]
    #8035891 - 02/17/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

that is outrageous. They are only 49 cents a pound here but I can get 25 pounds of wbs from wally for 6 bucks


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: tahoe]
    #8035933 - 02/17/08 10:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ok, i guess i don't find that kind of layout to be ridiculous, but i am used to making beer, which is much more expensive to play with. i find that a one dollar layout for grain is more more agreeable than a thirty dollar layout for a batch of grain to make beer.


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: itsallnines]
    #8037950 - 02/18/08 01:21 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Find a farmer's co-op, I get 50 pound bags of rye berries for $16.


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: joedonbaker]
    #8037954 - 02/18/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

now that is a smoking deal.


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: itsallnines]
    #8037971 - 02/18/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i've done that before with barley, only to find that the barley was coated with pesticide and fungicide. i wasn't happy. i'll check into that, however.


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: itsallnines]
    #8038648 - 02/18/08 04:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

no. if your having trouble with your jars contaminating by using spore solution to inoculate. then you need to make your grain with a bit lower moisture content. you can do this by adding a bit of dry verm into your jars to lower moisture or soak for less time. if you steep your seed, don't steep more than a few minutes.


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Re: will shelled sunflower seeds mess up my WBS? [Re: eatyualive]
    #8038792 - 02/18/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Or add some gypsum...too


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