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Waffles420
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pan cyan fruiting help please? lots of pics( experience needed), Updated Daily: Grow Log
#7947102 - 01/28/08 07:30 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I have recently started growing pan cyans using birdseed spawn bag and 50 50 casing. The substrate layer is at 3/4 to 1 inch thick with half inch of casing layer. Humidity is around 90% to 95% and an average temperature of 75 to 77 degree F. The following pictures are from day 1 in fruiting chamber to day 5. Any help or comments are really appreciated.
 Day 1
 Day 2
 Day 3
 Day 4
 Day 5
 Day 6

 Day 7
 I'm not sure, but does these following pictures look like they are contaminated? Birdseed is yellow, bruised mycelium is blue. Together, they make green. so it's hard to distinguish if it's mold or mycelium.  And in this one, there is a little green and a circle of yellow? I'm not sure.

 Is there anything I should tweak or change ? Are there any signs of overlay?
 Please help me make this my first successful grow! I will be updating with photos daily.
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Edited by Waffles420 (01/30/08 11:34 PM)
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Waffles420]
#7947127 - 01/28/08 07:33 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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just give it some time it looks good so far make sure to hook the shroomery up with sum proints when your done.
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Waffles420]
#7947301 - 01/28/08 07:58 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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potential issues: too cool of temperature, shoot for the low 80s too much CO2 build-up from the high sides of the foil container not enough FAE too thick of a casing layer but just by a little, aim for 1/4in
but give it time and a lot of fresh air and you are bound to get something. patience is your friend. good luck!
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Waffles420
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: CantiSama]
#7947353 - 01/28/08 08:06 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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i have a 12inch airstone under 2-3inches of wet perlite with hydrogen peroxide. I am going to walmart right now to buy a small heater. thank you for the advice.
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Waffles420]
#7947692 - 01/28/08 08:58 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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If i were you dude i would switch to analog gauges they are more accurate.
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: TobesCanaian]
#7947737 - 01/28/08 09:05 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I don't know much at all about cyans but is the substrate supossed to be that thin?
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: MuShQuEsT]
#7947851 - 01/28/08 09:22 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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waffles420. If you have read just a few of my post you would know what your problem is. it is super obvious. And your cute little gauge does nothing for us. i will give you a hint. Do you know what your humidity level is right at the very surface where the mycelium and casing layer are coming together???
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: tahoe]
#7947910 - 01/28/08 09:30 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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i guess close to 100 % bc the condensation on the aluminum????
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Waffles420
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Waffles420]
#7947951 - 01/28/08 09:36 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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am i getting enough FAE? Should i fan manually? Im going to walmart to get a analog guage.
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Waffles420]
#7947999 - 01/28/08 09:46 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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get a spray bottle and set it on the finest mist setting and spray away. You want those rhizomorphs that are sticking up to lay down, you also want to keep the others from popping up. This will in turn induce pinning. It is still in a vegetive state. Make it rain!!!
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Waffles420
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: tahoe]
#7950656 - 01/29/08 02:39 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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i sprayed it lightly. Is it ok for there to be water droplets on the mycelium. Also, should i spray and fan daily?
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Waffles420]
#7950717 - 01/29/08 02:51 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Yes, thats fine. I've never had problems from a drop of water. Just make sure you're not drowning the mycelium. Remember, mushrooms are 90% water. You should be misting multiple times a day.
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Mankey]
#7950779 - 01/29/08 03:06 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Pans fruit poorly if at all, without manure. In addition, they rarely fruit from wbs, cased or not. Good luck, but don't hold your breath. RR
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7951252 - 01/29/08 04:37 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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o wow that sucks. good luck man, apparently even RR thinks you need it
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Waffles420
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: HeadFood]
#7952230 - 01/29/08 07:39 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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should i mix the substrate with manure/vermiculite and recase or put a layer of manure vermiculite on top of the casing and just recase later? Or is my setup doomed to failure?
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Waffles420]
#7952241 - 01/29/08 07:41 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Personally, I'd start another batch while you see if this one does anything. RR
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Waffles420]
#7952268 - 01/29/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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id try and run this one out. spray it like tahoe suggested but i wouldnt mix it up and spawn it to manure in case there are any dormant mold spores on top just waiting to be woken up.
next time do a little bit more research to try and figure out the best growing paramiters for them and then go from there my friend.
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7952276 - 01/29/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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false advertising on the thread name
I see no pan cyans fruiting!!
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Seventy]
#7952421 - 01/29/08 08:04 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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If you dont want to start over, try a possible agar loop from a piece of the myc to procure healthy mycelium thats sterile for the next try. Im sure this has already been thought of though for you.
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: Subbedhunter420]
#7959403 - 01/31/08 08:21 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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I recently did pans and had them pop up all over the sides where there was no casing. I wouldn't use a casing thicker than 1/4 inch but that is just my preference, I don't have the patience to wait longer so that is my reasoning..
Best of luck with it.
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: rizingfire]
#7969338 - 02/02/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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RR is correct, you're not going to have much luck, if any, trying to fruit from cased WBS. I'd start over and this time spawn your WBS to manure and case with a nice 1/4" layer.
Also, remember that the casing layer is there to protect the myc, provide moisture, and to help retain humidity/co2. The casing layer should be moist but not soggy. You want the casing soil to remain "open" so that the mycelium can grow through it. If over watered the casing will essentially "seal" shut and the myc will not be able to grow properly. Definitely do some more reading!
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Re: pan cyan fruiting help please lots of picks( experience needed) [Re: rizingfire]
#7970084 - 02/02/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your best bet is to wait until it has fully colonized. Then break up the mycelium into another pan and mix with horse poop or cow poop. ITS NOT GOING TO FRUIT THE WAY IT IS NOW.
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