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Who Created the Strain Thred?
    #7946995 - 01/28/08 07:19 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I know RR started the current thread... but the info in the second post is SO OLD!!!

Magician26??? Who is he?

Isn't it time for a more specific guide to cube strains...

Most of these descriptions are either debatable, or outdated.

How 'bout a history of each strain... pictures, links and info about where each was found, and who was the first to release it to the public?

We've been using roughly the same strain guide since I was a n00b.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Rose]
    #7947132 - 01/28/08 07:33 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Oy, do YOU know where any of them started?!?!? So shut up! Jk, I agree, the descriptions are pretty much either pulled from a vendor or hasnt changed at all since anyones really been a noob. I dont know if we can specifically get the info of where each strain came from or what ever as anyone can claim 'i did it' and i dont think/know if there is any record of the person who got to do this but SOMETHING must be done. Maybe a pic cultivated by a member for each one? Any genetic tendencies that are significant (works good on bulk, terrible on pf tek kinda thing)? What ever, we'll have to band together to make this shit work and I GUESS that means SOME BODY should make a new strain so we can add it to the list so we can have some specifics :wink: Come on 'Traneski Sunrise', you fruitin yet? (YKWYA)!

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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7947152 - 01/28/08 07:36 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

i have already expressed my feelings on the strain thread, in it... i would love to see sum kind of change.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7947235 - 01/28/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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Oy, do YOU know where any of them started?!?!?




I can tell you where Penis Envy started... and about Orissa India's discovery... and how PF Albino came to be... and... oh Hell, a lot of this info has been LOST, but if we do a good job here, we should have info on MANY MANY strains... date of discovery,where they were first found, who discovered them, who was the first vendor to sell them, distinguishing characteristics... we could do a lot better.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Rose]
    #7947281 - 01/28/08 07:54 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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hightimesreader said:
Oy, do YOU know where any of them started?!?!?




I can tell you where Penis Envy started... and about Orissa India's discovery... and how PF Albino came to be... and... oh Hell, a lot of this info has been LOST, but if we do a good job here, we should have info on MANY MANY strains... date of discovery,where they were first found, who discovered them, who was the first vendor to sell them, distinguishing characteristics... we could do a lot better.




:thumbup:

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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7948377 - 01/28/08 11:08 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I'll totally help out with this project. I have some ideas.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Rose]
    #7951697 - 01/29/08 06:04 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I'd love to make a new sub-strain. I have a master culture of myc. of texas stain in a glass vial with a plyfill stopper in my fridge now. I took it from my Texas mono tub grow so hopefully, it's good fruiting because I'll knock up a bunch of jars with it and print the mushrooms that I like the most and TRY to make a syringe so I can inoculate jars with it and NOT contam it, but select a new fruit to clone that has the specified traits. That seem about right? Figured that 7th generation or so would be good place to call it complete for a while till some new mutations come about.

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Re: Who Created the Strain Thread? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7951750 - 01/29/08 06:14 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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I'll totally help out with this project. I have some ideas.



Radical.

You know, I actually went into the strain thread today, and someone in there had the good idea of a strain related forum/sub-forum. Do you agree that that would alleviate a lot of the outdatedness, unanswered questions, and unwieldiness of the current situation? Or would it just become another place to answer the same questions, time and time again?

By the way, Cervantes, thank Don for all his mexicana posts. They are awesome.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thread? [Re: thedefone]
    #7951765 - 01/29/08 06:17 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I agree with you guys


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7951779 - 01/29/08 06:18 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Strains have such a little bearing on the product you end up getting, talk of them is mostly wasted keystrokes. However, so many new mushroom growers come from weed growing where strain is everything, we keep the strain thread up there for them. If not for the strain thread, at least 25% of our total posts would be about strains. There used to be four or five strain threads on every page and all it does is clutter up the forum and waste bandwidth.

What we do is whenever the strain thread gets too full, such as now, we dump it and start another. If everyone is in agreement to shitcan the current one, I can dump it in a day or two, and open a fresh one. Save anything you consider worth saving before it goes away.

However, don't hold out hopes. A brand new strain thread will soon look just like the old one, which is the third or fourth generation.

A subforum would just make people think that strains actually meant something. The truth is, when two hyphae from spores meet and exchange genetic information, a strain is born. Sometimes thousands of strains are born from a single squirt of spore solution, thus the name on the syringe often means little.

A few strains have beeen fairly well stabilized by mycologists, but consider that the fancier the name, the less likely it is to be anything else but some marketing trick someone made up.
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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7951836 - 01/29/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

If the strain thread was sum how organized by A-Z and general questions it would make it more efficient... just a thought, sorry to bother


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: grod31]
    #7951874 - 01/29/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Why dont we have a permanent stickied (The defacto) AND locked strain thread and one that is perpetuated by members so Mods can update the thread themselves with current/true information. Once some info has been established for some strains, it can be updated in say a month or so if any new substantial info is given that could be included. Heck, maybe a member could do something. Can mods lock a persons journal and still allow ONE user to edit it? Something of THAT nature would be cool. Then again, if stain means nothing, then why do strains perform a bit dif.ly? (PF classic being slow as all hell and Cambodians/Hawaiians being fast?

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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7952049 - 01/29/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Because people will still have the threads such as "What strain is TEH BEST and give me MOST Kilograms!??!!!1" or "EQ sucks because It NO GROW!!" or even "I JUST CREATED A NEW STRAIN OMFG GUYz!!!" So that is why it's not stickied and locked. Because stupid people would still create stupid threads if you don't shuttle them off somewhere :smile:.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
    #7952069 - 01/29/08 07:08 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Yeah, no kidding... n00bs will be n00bs... people have been asking which cube is the best since the dawn of time.

Still, this is at the very least, interesting stuff. Each cube strain IS different. They all have different histories. The origins of different types of cubes make great stories.

As long as MIND SET has as much to do with tripping as potency, the more info we can add about each type of cube, the better.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Rose]
    #7952130 - 01/29/08 07:20 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

b+ is the best strain. it is a hybrid of azurescens and cubes. That is what mr.g said


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: tahoe]
    #7952280 - 01/29/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

azure cube hybrids roxxor my soxxors!!!!!!11one


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: tahoe]
    #7952281 - 01/29/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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b+ is the best strain. it is a hybrid of azurescens and cubes. That is what mr.g said




:poop:?

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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: hightimesreader]
    #7952353 - 01/29/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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azure cube hybrids roxxor my soxxors!!!!!!11one



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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: tahoe]
    #7952383 - 01/29/08 08:00 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Then again, if stain means nothing, then why do strains perform a bit dif.ly? (PF classic being slow as all hell and Cambodians/Hawaiians being fast?





Thank you for making my point so beautifully. PF classic used to be one of my favorites, with nice large meaty fruits, cambodians were weak and small, and there is NO Hawaii cubensis. Cubensis is not native to the islands.

That's why discussion of strains is lame, and relegated to the noob closet. There are LOT'S of factors that are important in growing, so to be a viable source of information, we try to provide information on those factors, and strain simply doesn't happen to be one of them. It seems that every guy who finds a new cow patch with a cube on it takes a print and claims a new strain. Jeez, what makes a cube from farmer bills pasture any different from a cube on farmer john's pasture?

Oh, and tahoe, you know what mr g can do. 8=======D
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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7952441 - 01/29/08 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

haha!! I love the pf fatass strain. I have a print that is about ten years old from the fatass strain. You might remember my "germinating old prints" thread.
If I were to grow cubes on cakes it wouldbe the fatass.

As for mr g, Not many people here remember that name.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: RogerRabbit] * 1
    #7952934 - 01/29/08 09:14 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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PF classic used to be one of my favorites, with nice large meaty fruits, cambodians were weak and small, and there is NO Hawaii cubensis.  Cubensis is not native to the islands... 

That's why discussion of strains is lame, and relegated to the noob closet.




So... are you saying the story of Pacifica Exotica Spore Co. (which introduced the "Hawaiian" cube) is lame?

Or, are you agreeing that the spore info in the cube strain thread is outdated?

:smile:

PESH has an interesting HISTORY. It is NOT a Hawaiian cube... but the story is cool.

As long as mindset is a factor for trippers, the history of cubensis spores will be influential.

Cultivators should have access to the history of the different strains. Look at how much has already been lost! And yet The Shroomery has INTRODUCED many strains to the public. We can get a LOT of info compiled here. Once compiled, it'll be relatively simple to keep up to date.

I agree RR, growing parameters and potency have little relevance here... and a cube is a cube... but each type of commercial cube, has a STORY. Some of the stories are actually quite cool.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Rose]
    #7953131 - 01/29/08 09:45 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Agreed. Lots of cool stories. I remember the PES story. I even had their 'hawaiian'. Anyway, my point is we don't hear the old hands worrying about strains, but even with the stickied strain thead, we have to lock a few a day for those who ignore, or don't see it. It was crazy before when three or four strain threads would be active on the same page, with people jumping back and forth between them arguing and taking up the first page away from those who needed actual help with their grows. That's why we stickied it up there.

By lame, I meant considering it an equal or even superior factor to the right growing environment, procedures, lighting, substrate, blah blah.
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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7953323 - 01/29/08 10:15 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Heh, yeah... we're just two old farts talkin' apples and oranges.

I moderated this forum once... I remember.

I'm just sayin' the more interesting, factual and up to date the info in that thread IS, the more likely people will moderate themselves.

The search feature here works SO well, you Mods don't have to tell many people to use it. The community, more often than not, beats y'all to the punch! NOW, if the strain thread were better...

P.S. Your videos are amazing RR. We BOTH like to help the n00bs... but we simply have different approaches. :wink:


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Rose]
    #7953384 - 01/29/08 10:23 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

I remember. :laugh:

I could make a new strain thread now, and you guys can start putting it together if you want.  I really don't think it will stay organized for long, because every day three or four people will post wanting to know the best strain to get maximum yield with maximum potency and the ability to fight contamination. :wink:
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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7953525 - 01/29/08 10:41 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

these pups probably do not even know what pes stands for


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: tahoe]
    #7953551 - 01/29/08 10:46 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

God, how I wish I had found this place so many years earlier! You guys are great.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7953669 - 01/29/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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I remember. :laugh:

I could make a new strain thread now, and you guys can start putting it together if you want.  I really don't think it will stay organized for long, because every day three or four people will post wanting to know the best strain to get maximum yield with maximum potency and the ability to fight contamination. :wink:
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Perhaps Anno could start a Strain Wiki... It'd be more organized... and efficient... like only the Austrians can do!

I'll add the things I know... once there is a web space.

Easily manageable. :smile:


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Rose]
    #7953911 - 01/29/08 11:44 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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I remember. :laugh:

I could make a new strain thread now, and you guys can start putting it together if you want.  I really don't think it will stay organized for long, because every day three or four people will post wanting to know the best strain to get maximum yield with maximum potency and the ability to fight contamination. :wink:
RR




Perhaps Anno could start a Strain Wiki... It'd be more organized... and efficient... like only the Austrians can do!

I'll add the things I know... once there is a web space.

Easily manageable. :smile:


:smile:




I like that idea. :thumbup:

I wish someone would acknowledge what stains share certain traits and what strains are just marketing ploys. I'm curious how many different traits can be present in Cubensis not how many locations and different names we can come up with for the exact same strain.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7954280 - 01/30/08 01:32 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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I remember. :laugh:

I could make a new strain thread now, and you guys can start putting it together if you want.  I really don't think it will stay organized for long, because every day three or four people will post wanting to know the best strain to get maximum yield with maximum potency and the ability to fight contamination. :wink:
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I don't know why but I was expecting "maximum yield with maximum potency and the ability to fight crime" I was kinda disapointed to see the word contamination.  the batman strain or maybe even the "dark knight" strain.


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Wolfgang]
    #7954286 - 01/30/08 01:35 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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I wish someone would acknowledge what stains share certain traits and what strains are just marketing ploys. I'm curious how many different traits can be present in Cubensis not how many locations and different names we can come up with for the exact same strain.




YES!!!

I want to know and SEE the differences on the MACROSCOPIC and MICROSCOPIC level, from one type of cube to another. This may also, help keep the integrity of each strain alive... from one generation to another... AND, from vendor to vendor...

Surely SOME of our vendors have information that they'd LOVE to submit... as long as they get photo credit... same with the community!


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Rose]
    #7954807 - 01/30/08 08:55 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

still no one? What does pes stand for in pes amazon and pes hawiian


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: tahoe]
    #7954864 - 01/30/08 09:21 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Pacifica Exotica Spora


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: BanjoMojo]
    #7954869 - 01/30/08 09:23 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

the search function works


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: tahoe]
    #7955007 - 01/30/08 10:29 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

STRAIN WIKI!!!!! :smile: Sounds great. :smile:

People will always be interested in strains, when faced with a choice they need to make a decision, to make the decision they need info.
Some of the old hands seem to collect strains!

At least we can have community controlled information on strains rather than sales talk!

I like the way FSRE present the info (the pages at least)
http://www.fsre.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=47

Perhaps an introduction/caveat from RR explaining what he did earlier ^^^

Photo's and history would be great!


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Rose]
    #7955013 - 01/30/08 10:34 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

a cube is a cube is a cube.................. when will people do a little reading and finally figure this out


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: brainsOplenty]
    #7955026 - 01/30/08 10:38 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

brainsOplenty said:
a cube is a cube is a cube.................. when will people do a little reading and finally figure this out



Do Penis Envey and Cambodian look the same?
History of Red Boy and Oak Ridge, identical?


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: shaggydogman]
    #7955043 - 01/30/08 10:46 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

a portabella and a button are the same also


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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: shaggydogman]
    #7955060 - 01/30/08 10:51 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Do Penis Envey and Cambodian look the same?
History of Red Boy and Oak Ridge, identical?




They're all cubes. The only real way for 'strain' to have meaning is if isolated strains were exchanged on agar, but that's considered illegal, so talk of spore strains belongs in the strain thread to keep from cluttering up the forum. There are a few genuine strains in circulation, PE being one of them. However, as I've said before, the fancier the name, the more likely it's just one of the standard strains packaged up with a new name. Every cow pasture that has mushrooms doesn't deserve to have a new 'strain' named for it, which seems to be in vogue nowadays.

However, this isn't going to become another strain thread. I'll dump the one that's up there now, and you guys can begin exchanging opinions on a clean slate.
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Re: Who Created the Strain Thred? [Re: Rose]
    #7955062 - 01/30/08 10:52 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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