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Salvia flashback, any advice?
    #7945484 - 01/28/08 02:00 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Hello all. My first post. :smile: I've lurked here for awhile. A lot of good info here.

I've tripped about 10 times on acid and shrooms, I stopped because I'd have negative trip moments too often. I never had an all out bad trip. Then I tried salvia. I know it was a really stupid idea considering I'm prone to bad trip. It was pure terror and ego death. During the trip I couldn't remember anything about reality, my life, or that I was human. I accepted the trip and it didn't bother me. But I had a flashback one day. It just felt like that salvia feeling. Like really distant from reality.

I've had maybe 3 flashbacks in all. The first was most intense, and the other two were freaky but less severe. It's strange because I never had any flashbacks when I'd smoke pot (I hear thats when a lot of people have their salvia flashbacks). And now I've been clean of all but social alcohol since November. Then all of the sudden flashback. I think it's probably been brought on by some recent anxiety/depression problems I've been having. I'm going to see a counselor about my anxiety. But the flashbacks don't help. When I'm anxious, and it happens, it snowballs the anxiety. I've never had a panic attack but I think I came close after one of the flashes.

So does anyone have any advice? Getting enough sleep and exercise seems to help. But anything else? Or just encouraging words? :smile: Maybe I just need help assimilating the trip.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: mike88]
    #7945580 - 01/28/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I have noticed some of the same things you have. I have tripped acid shrooms salvia more times than I can remember and from time to time I see or feel weird shit but the only thing I have noticed that help is to ignore it the more you think about it the more your worry about it and the worse the problem becomes... Also if you stay alway from drugs this should fade so the choice is your my friend deal with it or stop using.:naughty:

I hope you make the right choice.:cheers:


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: CollegeGuy]
    #7945911 - 01/28/08 03:52 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

tripping recycles your day to day mental contents.
it recycles them in accord with environment and your historical experiences which is family, friends, school, work, television, love-life, whatever you have been involved in.

so to have niceness in trips, you need to have niceness in that stuff that gets recycled.
the truth is you can't have niceness everywhere, so you need to have a resilient nature.
work on that, and on adding to the nice stuff you do and think
then - when you get lucky and have an opportunity to trip, things will be splendid.

creepy people never have nice trips at all, they have to have cocaine or nothing, well maybe a bit of MJ, but just a controllable amount.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: mike88]
    #7945926 - 01/28/08 03:54 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Ultimately, it's the effect of a drug, no matter how long it's been since it left your system. When it happens, breathe deeply and slowly. Concentrate on your breath and just tell yourself that you are fine- everything is ok. Don't take any drugs for a while and the flash backs will stop. I'd avoid even alcohol, but obviously that's up to you.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7946185 - 01/28/08 04:51 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I would also add to stay off the caffeine. I seem to have more flashbacks with coffee inside of me.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: fushock]
    #7946206 - 01/28/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

^^yeah coffee seems to jump start those psychedelics in my body again.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: RedRainDrop]
    #7946650 - 01/28/08 06:20 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Yea I've laid off coffee/caffeine since it just made me anxious anyway.

Thanks for the info :smile:

Should I tell my counselor about flashbacks? I've been totally clean since November so its not a question of hiding drugs. But I'm worried she would think I'm a schizo or something.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: mike88]
    #7946716 - 01/28/08 06:32 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Ya this is a good place to get off drugs and dont tell her about us lol


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7946743 - 01/28/08 06:36 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Quote:

MYSTIQUE said:
Ya this is a good place to get off drugs and dont tell her about us lol



Fuck that I dont know why people get scared when they get these feelings i dont know why you do drugs but i do them because when i view life from a distant perspective i gain a better understanding of it.

i get these moments also embrace them and use them to your advantage buddy.:goodluck:


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7946823 - 01/28/08 06:49 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

i´d say i'm pretty creepy and i've never had a  bad trip. :crazy2:


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7946886 - 01/28/08 07:01 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I used to get occasional flash backs when i smoked every damn day cuz i didnt really seem to 'come down' from the pot, so my 'sobriety' felt like one big hazy hallucination with a touch of shroomy despair/anxiety/instant-unpredictable mood changes. This was a mix of the pot and past drug experiences i've had imo. I've had actual object distortions while in this state of hazeyness. NOT the pot. So, if you take a brake, ime, it HELPS. It didnt really go away until i told my gf things i had been lying about since it was weighing heavy on my consciousness since I have a big one. Anyways, best of luck!

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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7946891 - 01/28/08 07:02 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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awesomebastard said:

Fuck that I dont know why people get scared when they get these feelings i dont know why you do drugs but i do them because when i view life from a distant perspective i gain a better understanding of it.

i get these moments also embrace them and use them to your advantage buddy.:goodluck:




The moments make me feel terrible. Distant like life is trivial. And that's how the salvia trip felt. That's why it bothers me so much. I can't see how I could embrace that.

I tripped and smoked MJ to explore life. It just doesn't work for me. I wish I could do drugs and trip in a good way, but I tried and the more I tripped the worse the trips were. So that's why I stopped. Maybe I'll be able to later in life, but as of right now, I can't.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: mike88]
    #7946901 - 01/28/08 07:04 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I had this after a mushroom trip.

It's nothing to worry about.

Try to enjoy it.

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yeah coffee seems to jump start those psychedelics in my body again





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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: mike88]
    #7947078 - 01/28/08 07:27 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

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mike88 said:
Quote:

awesomebastard said:

Fuck that I dont know why people get scared when they get these feelings i dont know why you do drugs but i do them because when i view life from a distant perspective i gain a better understanding of it.

i get these moments also embrace them and use them to your advantage buddy.:goodluck:




The moments make me feel terrible. Distant like life is trivial. And that's how the salvia trip felt. That's why it bothers me so much. I can't see how I could embrace that.

I tripped and smoked MJ to explore life. It just doesn't work for me. I wish I could do drugs and trip in a good way, but I tried and the more I tripped the worse the trips were. So that's why I stopped. Maybe I'll be able to later in life, but as of right now, I can't.



to each his own my friend.

by the way life is most likely somewhat trivial that doesnt have to depress you. think of the possibility of other "sentient" life in the unverse the chance that it would have evolved imaginations or a subconcious, which is charachteristic of only mamals is so miniscuel, we are very possibly the only creative beings in the universe but hey anythings possible.  live this life like it is the only one you have because it probably is.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7947598 - 01/28/08 08:39 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I never experienced ego death before w/acid or shrooms, so just forgetting my whole life for that moment on salvia freaked me out, it felt like death. As if everything was over. And for that brief moment in the flashback, it feels like its happening again even though it never goes that far. That's why I freak about it.

I never thought this about the trip until I flashed. But it feels like it damaged me spiritually. Even with my badish shroom and lsd trips I would come out w/something enlightening or turned the negativity into a positive learning experience. Just can't seem to do that w/this salvia trip.

Thanks for all the advice guys.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: mike88]
    #7947802 - 01/28/08 09:15 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

I have never experienced ego death, but it seems like the chance to rebuild yourself was lost when you came back from salvia so fast.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: origami.octopus]
    #7948103 - 01/28/08 10:05 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery Mike. You have some very insightful things to say; you definitely touch on some feelings I've had about psychedelics. I'm going to have my first Salvia experience in the next week or two, and then hopefully I'll be able to add to the conversation.


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Re: Salvia flashback, any advice? [Re: origami.octopus]
    #7948169 - 01/28/08 10:21 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

Thanks Boulder. :smile: I just wrote up my trip. Pretty thorough.

I'm going to post my salvia trip experience here instead of start another thread.

I was in my room, in my bed, it was about noon. The lights were off, but the room was plenty illuminated from the window. No music. The extract was 10x. I was alone, I think that was my biggest mistake since I've watched others do it, and it seems like other people keep you more grounded in reality. One friend even said during his trip I seemed like a guard protecting him. Anyway, I have a fat home made bowl, so I loaded it up w/approx 1/8g of standardized 10x. Smoked all of it in one big hit and was surprised it cashed so quick, so I loaded up another bowl fast and waited a few seconds to feel effects. I felt being pushed and pulled, colors got vivid, so I got excited and smoked most of the next one. Then as I was about to finish it, I felt a presence. It felt right up against me.

Then it was like I just woke up. At this point I didn't remember I smoked salvia. I didn't know what I was. No feeling of body or limbs, they just didn't occur to me. Couldn't remember life at all. The only thing I could think is that everything is over. I was in an olive drab void kind of swirling around me. I could see my vision like it was on a tv far in front of me (could see my room through it, but it had no meaning). And I could see other "screens" in peripheral vision. I felt the same presence as before. It felt like it or they(felt more like a 'they') were keeping me where I was. I couldn't really think I just felt and experienced this. But for some reason I thought the other screens were other people's lives. So at this point I was starting to think again and I thought I was dead, pulled out of my life, in limbo, and could see mine and others' lives through these portal screens. I couldn't tell you whether I could remember my name or not because I couldn't even think to try.

Then I remembered I smoked salvia, but I was still gone. I tried to think about my friends and ex gf. I felt like I'd never see them again even though now I knew I wasn't dead. I just wanted back to my life. Then I came down, and it was like entering my body. The first thing I could feel was my teeth and jaw. Then I sort of fell back into place and was back.

I was incredibly glad that I hadn't died and experienced some kind of afterlife. But everything felt uncomfortable for about 1/2 an hour after that.

I've felt that death feeling before. I'm real prone to blacking out when I take a big hit of MJ(happened maybe 6 times). Usually only happens w/bubbler/bong since the smoke feels smoother. When I come to, for a few seconds I feel as if I'm dead and this is my afterlife perception. But it shakes off before I even know it and it's not terrifying like the salvia trip. The two experiences feel similar. The same total panic and horror that everything is over.

Two quotes from people tripping on it that I found intriguing:

Me "He's in another world now"
Tripper "Who is?"
Me "You are"

The only thing one guy said before speaking gibberish "I had a dream just like this."


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