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Perlite Terariums
#7943810 - 01/28/08 02:12 AM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I'm finishing on incubation of some cakes and I was going to finish my building of a perlite humidified terrarium and I've heard conflicting reports of weather or not to put holes in the bins or fan for GE so what gives? I don't want to be tied to them forever (Translation: I'm trying to look for work) but I do need high yields as well (But I'm worried I won't find any). So what gives? I could probibly fan 2 or 3 maybe 4 times a day if I'm lucky, but I don't want to. There is little or no consistency from tech to tech on this issue.
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If you really want to use a perlite terrarium and dont want to manually fan it out. I recommend mounting a computer fan on the top of your box. They are pretty cheap maybe 15-25$ max.
Even with holes in the side, you would still need to manually fan it, and I dont think 2-3 times per day is really sufficient.
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If that's true and I'd really need to fan more I think I'll use one of them fish bubbler's for GE instead. I don't like the idea of using a computer fan but if the bubbler is too expensive I might have to go to the recycle center and grab a few old fans.
How often should perlite terrariums be fanned though out of curiosity?
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ScavengerType said: If that's true and I'd really need to fan more I think I'll use one of them fish bubbler's for GE instead. I don't like the idea of using a computer fan but if the bubbler is too expensive I might have to go to the recycle center and grab a few old fans.
How often should perlite terrariums be fanned though out of curiosity?
You obviously want as much FAE as possible while keeping as high of humidity as possible. Ive never used a fish bubbler, but ive heard good things about them, especially for smaller terrariums and that would provide constant FAE for you. That probably is a better option than the computer fan anyways.
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well I got the air pump today so it's settled, all further posts are academic.
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Hey very new here...Have completed one batch that went decently well but didn't produce as much as I hoped an fell victim to early green mold.
I am using a Perilite Teranium and I am curious if I had a way to keep the humidity up but had the top open at all times the open air wouldn't make way for contaniments? I just thought I needed to fan a few times a day but it was important to keep it closed...
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Quilch]
#7949720 - 01/29/08 09:36 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Quilch said: Hey very new here...Have completed one batch that went decently well but didn't produce as much as I hoped an fell victim to early green mold.
I am using a Perilite Teranium and I am curious if I had a way to keep the humidity up but had the top open at all times the open air wouldn't make way for contaniments? I just thought I needed to fan a few times a day but it was important to keep it closed...
Its not very likely that your contamination came from you opening your terrarium. Its more likely to be 1) standing water beneath the perlite, do you have any holes at the bottom of your terrarium to drain excess water? or 2) a dirty terrarium to start with
fully colonized cakes are very resistant to contams and FAE would not cause this
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I do not have holes in the bottom, no. I was told by my friend (who has been growing for years through trial and error and without much guidance) to leave 1/2 inch of standing water on the bottom..also to put a capful of peroxide in the gallon of spring water i use to fill this water.
After my last cake is done fizzling out how would u suggest I clean my terrarium?
I'm sorry I couldnt find it in the golssary....what does FAE stand for?
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Quilch]
#7949758 - 01/29/08 09:49 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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FAE = Fresh air exchange.
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Fraggin]
#7949771 - 01/29/08 09:54 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Cakes seem to need a higher rh. Actually as close to 100% as you can get. The problem with using a perlite FC with holes for ventilation is that it is difficult to get the proper amount of holes for proper FAE and maintain 95%+ rh.
Using this method, a fan in the room with the fc containing holes seems to provide enough FAE. If you are blowing air directly at the FC, the perlite dries out quickly and your RF drops.
I have the best results by drilling holes in all 6 sides, adding perlite, then turning on a fan in the room with my FC. Then I check the RH every few hours and tape up a few holes at a time with packaging tape until my RH is around 90%.
Another thing that I do, is when I mist heavily, I leave the lid off the FC for a couple of hours before I put it back on.
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Fraggin]
#7949789 - 01/29/08 10:00 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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I've got a couple of these FCs .....
Tweek the number of holes based on your ambient humidity.
I am in the West .... dry air .... I had too many holes and the perlite dries out .... so I taped up some of the holes.
Big difference in the ambient humidity of South Florida and Arizona.
Start with a certain number of holes .... I like them on all six sides and the FC raised off the shelf to take advantage of the physics involved .....
You can drill more holes .... or cover some (as in my case).
It is passive humidification. You can always plumb in some additional humidity and FAE for automated misting and fanning if you are gone for periods of time. ultrasonic foggers and a cool mist on seperate timers......
Fabricate and then tweek it.
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Quilch]
#7949824 - 01/29/08 10:11 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Quilch said: I do not have holes in the bottom, no. I was told by my friend (who has been growing for years through trial and error and without much guidance) to leave 1/2 inch of standing water on the bottom..also to put a capful of peroxide in the gallon of spring water i use to fill this water.
After my last cake is done fizzling out how would u suggest I clean my terrarium?
I'm sorry I couldnt find it in the golssary....what does FAE stand for?
No standing water is public enemy #1 and is more than likely the cause of your contamination. Never ever ever do you want standing water in your fruiting chamber
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Ok I'm trying to understand this here but don't you need the standing water for the perilite to create humidity?
Or is the misting sufficient enough? (I dont see how it would be...I have 1/2 inch of standing water in 1 inch of perilite and have great humidity) I see what your saying about the FAE...I for some reason thought that it would lead to contaniments but obviously not.
How often do you mist and do you use just straight water or a mixture with peroxide? Also do you try to avoid misting the actualy mushrooms or does it not matter if it happens to get on them (if your using peroxide in the mix)?
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Quilch]
#7950065 - 01/29/08 11:27 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Quilch said: Ok I'm trying to understand this here but don't you need the standing water for the perilite to create humidity?
Or is the misting sufficient enough? (I dont see how it would be...I have 1/2 inch of standing water in 1 inch of perilite and have great humidity) I see what your saying about the FAE...I for some reason thought that it would lead to contaniments but obviously not.
How often do you mist and do you use just straight water or a mixture with peroxide? Also do you try to avoid misting the actualy mushrooms or does it not matter if it happens to get on them (if your using peroxide in the mix)?
You are supposed to soak the perlite, then strain, then place it into the FC.
Misting Perlite would be pretty useless.
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KillerPicklez said:
You are supposed to soak the perlite, then strain, then place it into the FC.
Misting Perlite would be pretty useless.
I see...How long should you soak for and how long will the perilite actually retain enough water to create humidity?
Yea I didn't see how misting would work either.
Also...what is good to use for the soak/strain process?
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Quilch]
#7950154 - 01/29/08 11:54 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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You are supposed to soak the perlite, then strain, then place it into the FC.
Misting Perlite would be pretty useless.
I see...How long should you soak for and how long will the perilite actually retain enough water to create humidity?
Yea I didn't see how misting would work either.
Also...what is good to use for the soak/strain process?
This isnt all rocket science bro. Use water and a colander. It should retain water for long enough for you to harvest your cakes. If you notice the humidity is dropping, then add a couple more inches of soaked perlite. I think most people use between 3-5 inches
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KillerPicklez said: This isnt all rocket science bro. Use water and a colander. It should retain water for long enough for you to harvest your cakes. If you notice the humidity is dropping, then add a couple more inches of soaked perlite. I think most people use between 3-5 inches
No need to be condescending, I was merely looking for active opinions and techniques of people more experienced than myself that I could either mimic or improve upon.
Thank you for your advice I will try it next batch.
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Proper use of perlite is demonstrated on youtube in pf tek part three.
Don't block the holes to increase humidity in the terrarium, as this defeats the purpose of the whole darn thing. If you live in a dry climate, simply run a humidifier in the room in which your terrarium is located.
NO STANDING WATER, PERIOD! Perlite is a crystalline substance, so it doesn't absorb or wick water. Any perlite under water may as well not even be there. RR
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Quilch]
#7950173 - 01/29/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Quilch said:
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KillerPicklez said: This isnt all rocket science bro. Use water and a colander. It should retain water for long enough for you to harvest your cakes. If you notice the humidity is dropping, then add a couple more inches of soaked perlite. I think most people use between 3-5 inches
No need to be condescending, I was merely looking for active opinions and techniques of people more experienced than myself that I could either mimic or improve upon.
Thank you for your advice I will try it next batch.
Wasnt trying to be condescending at all, I just didnt expect to be asked the required materials to soak perlite 
Best of luck on your future grows! and drill some holes in the bottom of that FC and put a little cookie tray or something under it to catch excess water.
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i just finished my first grow man. 5 inches on perilite, no standing water, misted 2-3 times daily and fanned 4-6 times daily ended up with this
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: t00th]
#7950224 - 01/29/08 12:17 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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god i never get sick of beautiful mushroom pictures. and that one is just amazing. what strain were those? i love the little white freckles that are on the caps.
i cant wait until i start growing again. i needed a break I was getting a little burned out from growing all the time
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: t00th]
#7950248 - 01/29/08 12:25 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Well it was a condescending statement but all is well.
I just didn't know if I should let the perilite soak for a certain amount of time...wasn't sure of the absorption rate and so on and figured it would be easier to just ask the person I was having a 'conversation' with. Anyway it's unimportant just a simple miscommunication.
As for misting...straight water? Tap water? Spring Water? Peroxide mist? Let me pick your brain since you seem to know very well what you are doing.
RR - I see know what your saying about the water...but the standing water def does create a lot of humidity...it apparently is also having other adverse affects but creates humidity just the same.
Ksinao - Beautiful man...what strain?
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Quilch]
#7950268 - 01/29/08 12:31 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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I spray mine with distilled water. But Ive heard of people using tap water and having fine results. I guess this would all depend on the quality of your local tap water.
All is good, we are all here to learn
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KillerPicklez said: I spray mine with distilled water. But Ive heard of people using tap water and having fine results. I guess this would all depend on the quality of your local tap water.
Well I guess it was kind of a stupid question for me to ask now thinking about it cause I live on Long Island and we have like a high cancer rate close to the area i live at, "Brookhaven National Lab" likes to dispose of their chemicals however they see fit at the time and our tap water is all kind of F*cked up.
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Quilch]
#7950402 - 01/29/08 01:17 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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i used tap water to dunk and to spray. great results.
B+ from the hawks eye
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: t00th]
#7950431 - 01/29/08 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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the above pic is beautiful.
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: t00th]
#7950742 - 01/29/08 02:57 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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ksinao said: i just finished my first grow man. 5 inches of perilite, no standing water, misted 2-3 times daily and fanned 4-6 times daily ended up with this
Obviously, you read the teks! Nice first grow. Looks a hell of a lot better than my first grow!
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Quilch said: RR - I see know what your saying about the water...but the standing water def does create a lot of humidity...it apparently is also having other adverse affects but creates humidity just the same.
Thanks for the tip. 
I've already typed it in detail so many hundreds of times for those who won't search engines, perhaps I could have said, "For MAXIMUM humidity, use well drained perlite with NO STANDING WATER. Standing water renders perlite below the water line useless. Since perlite has about 1,000 times the surface area, it is far more effective at releasing moisture to the surrounding environment, thus raises and MAINTAINS humidity far better and faster than standing water." RR
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Yeah, definitely take the time to watch RR's videos on YouTube. They're very helpful.
A friend of mine went and bought the DVDs and lent them to me, now I'm pretty much just waiting for whenever I have the spare cash to get my own. Aside from a few areas I thought weren't touched on in enough detail, they're great.
Just keep reading, man. There's lots of stuff to take in with this hobby. You'll have something to learn for the rest of your life, because there's still so much more about fungi that we don't know about.
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Skeeblix]
#7951126 - 01/29/08 04:14 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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this thread has been very helpful, thankyou. Haven't started yet, still soaking up information before I start my grow.
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Skeeblix]
#7951553 - 01/29/08 05:29 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Skeeblix said: Yeah, definitely take the time to watch RR's videos on YouTube.
I would love to if my poor ass wasn't on dial up. That's why even searching the board takes forever so if I see a topic where someone is talking about something related I just throw a question in and read as much of the board as possible while waiting for a response lol.
It's hard because my first grow was based off a friends written advice who has been doing this for years and the information I have been reading has been contradicting alot of it but it seems to be also more effective. Just trying to re learn everything and figure out all these damn abreviations as i go lol.
Thanks everyone for taking the time to answer questions that have probably have been answered 1,000+ times over the years.
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: Quilch]
#8065095 - 02/24/08 04:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have a ton to learn. I didn't really let my perlite soak. put it in water, squeezed the excess out and put it in the bottom (about an inch thick but my fc is only like 8 inches tall.) if i had used more they would have hardly any room to grow. I mist 3-5 times a day with boiled tap water (to help sterilize) with just a tad bit of hydrogen peroxide. I don't know if thats really healhty but my mushrooms have turned out much better than last time. last time they didn't turn out so great but I realize how badly I fucked up. I know for a fact I still have a ways to go but I'm definitely improving. I'm just about to post a pic so check it out. I'll make my own thread but look for it. I don't feel like puttin it on this thread if I'm just gonna make my own in two seconds anyways.
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: ismokeweed]
#8065356 - 02/24/08 05:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've had grows go just fine with about 3 inches of perlite soaked through a colander, 9 holes near the top of the perlite in the terrarium, and fanning 3 times a day, and I live in the southwest. It is not absolutely necessary that it be fanned 6-10 times per day. It is important that you soak the perlite and drain it properly, which is a pain in the ass.
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Cabinet_Sanchez said: I've had grows go just fine with about 3 inches of perlite soaked through a colander, 9 holes near the top of the perlite in the terrarium, and fanning 3 times a day, and I live in the southwest. It is not absolutely necessary that it be fanned 6-10 times per day. It is important that you soak the perlite and drain it properly, which is a pain in the ass.
I worked with perlite terrariums once and I never will again. There are much better alternatives available.
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how does one keep the perlite from falling out of the holes drilled in the bottom??
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: elnico]
#8066426 - 02/24/08 09:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The water usually bonds the perlite that shit loves to cling together. Just put a towel or baking sheet under your terrarium to catch both the water and any perlite that happens to fall out.
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kk, what about breatable tape to cover up the holes?
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Re: Perlite Terariums [Re: elnico]
#8066443 - 02/24/08 09:30 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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not necessary. You want any excess water to drain out. standing water is a breeding pool for contaminants.
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Man I should get some batteries for my digi cam so I can show you guys what I did finally. You may be impressed at it for a noob's handy work and a shoestring budget. It's basically a 3 tier clear plastic dresser with saran wrap over the lid to keep some humidity and an air pump running through PVC tubing under the perlite for FAE and humidity. The first flush was just short enough but I'm concerned that subsequent flushes could reach the top of the unit.
I just did my first batch last night and they weren't too bad. Unfortunately I had no idea how much to eat since they were wet and I have no scale. But it was a good night to be just a little trippin anyway.
Aren't any of you guys using peroxide with water in your perlite? Even if your not using standing water in your terarium it's a good idea. Some add it with the standing water, others soak the perlite through a colander in peroxide water then use it with no standing water. I suppose standing water is contaminant friendlier but I haven't made any observations yet since I'm using standing water at least 1" away from the surface. -To the dude who's using it in his spray: I wouldn't do it. -To the guy who has dial up: I read once RR recommended you check it out at a library since he gets his dues and you don't have to shell out cash. If you live in the states though I'd recommend having a friend check it out for you.
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when you get the chance id love to see some pictures. ill be getting back into growing here this summer and will be rebuilding a new terrarium myself.
one of the areas myself and RR agree is that standing water in general is a no-no, it serves absolutely no purpose to have perlite submerged in water, its actually counter-productive.
I do agree about using peroxide in the water, it helps keep the water fresh and contaminant-free.
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peroxide is almost utterly useless in the fashion that you are suggesting it might be good for 2 maybe 3 hours after that it turns into normal water.
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Yea I think I will not use standing water later but I wasn't sure where to go with it since my design was modled after a PMP and the PMP uses standing water.
-------------------- "Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?" "The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything." - Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now. Conquer's Club
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