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Experiences and Moderation
    #7943407 - 01/27/08 11:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If one wished to safely obtain a range of experiences using only organic psychoactives and entheogens which botanicals would be best?

What psychoactives are mild enough to safely use weekly?


Which ones should be used less?


I'll post my ideas on the subject later...

But first I'd like to hear what everybody has to say.


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7943451 - 01/28/08 12:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

All of them. They are natural. If you really wanted to trip a couple of substances once a week you could. But I really wouldnt lol.

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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: newlife]
    #7943552 - 01/28/08 12:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Brugmanisa and mescal bean, too? :rockon:


Your a bad ass mother fucker if you can do that once a week...


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7943742 - 01/28/08 01:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

double post, sorry.


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7943785 - 01/28/08 02:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Mushrooms once a week should do you fine if you don't take huge doses every time. Don't make it a megadose every week, that'll fuck with you, space 'em out in between the mild trips.

In general if you really feel a need to trip every week and make it organic, I see mushrooms (and/or massive doses of THC, as in edibles) as the best way to go. I don't think brugmansia would be a good idea given its wide range of side effects.


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7943789 - 01/28/08 02:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Salvia? I bet you could use that once a week.


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: Seansquatch]
    #7943793 - 01/28/08 02:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Forgot to mention that, but salvia's pretty gravy however you use that. Good point.


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7943805 - 01/28/08 02:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Salvia and Cannabis sounds good.


I'd like a wide range of different plants so I can space out each one to reduce tolerance.


Any other ideas?


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7943907 - 01/28/08 03:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: daft crunk]
    #7945035 - 01/28/08 12:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Here's my Ideas-

Daily Herbs- Ingest a “Healing Herbs” each morning, but don’t use the same one every morning.

Camellia sinensis ~ “Tea”
Aspalathus linearis ~ “Rooibos”
Ilex Paraguariensis ~ “Yerba Mate”
Ginkgo biloba ~ “Gingko”
Fermented Tea ~ “Kombucha”

Weekly Psychoactives- Do not use any of the following psychoactives more than once or twice a week.

Beer and/or Wine ~ “Alcohol”
Cannabis sativa ~ “Marijuana”
Lactuca virosa ~ “Lettuce Opium”
Mitragyna speciosa ~ “Kratom”
Nicotiana spp. ~ “Tobacco”
Ephedra spp. ~ “Ephedra”
Erythroxylon spp. ~ “Coca Leaf”
Piper methysticum ~ “Kava Kava”
Coffea arabica ~ “Coffee”
Theobroma cacao ~ “Chocolate”
Panax spp. and/or Eleutherococcus senticosus ~ “Ginseng”
Leonotis leonurus ~ "Wild Dagga"
Valeriana officinalis ~ "Valerian Root"




Monthly Psychoactives- Do not use any of the following psychoactives more than once a month.

Nymphaea caerulea and/or Nelumbo nucifera ~ “Lotus”
Papaver somniferum ~ “Opium”
Pausinystalia yohimbe ~ “Yohimbe” (MAOI)
Sceletium tortuosum ~ “Kanna” (SSRI)
Silene capensis ~ “Root of the White Way”
Calea zacatechichi ~ “Dream Herb”
Rhodiola rosea ~ “Golden Root” (MAOI)
Artemisia absinthium ~ “Absinthe”
Lagochilus inebrians ~ "Turkistan Mint"
Catha edulis ~ "Khat"
Myristica fragrans ~ "Nutmeg"


Yearly Entheogens- Choose Seven of the Following to Ingest each Year.


Argyreia Nervosa, Ipomoea violacea, and/or Rivea corymbosa ~ “Morning Glories”
Heimia salicifolia and/or H. myrtifolia ~ "Sinicuichi" or "Sun Opener"
Amanita Muscaria ~ “Soma”, “Haoma” or “Mario Mushrooms”
Salvia divinorum ~ “Salvia”
Psilocybian Mushrooms ~ “‘Shrooms” or “Mushrooms”
Trichocereus species or Lophophora williamsii ~ “Cactus” and “Peyote”
B. Caapi, Psychotria species, Diplopterys cabrerana and/or Passiflora incarnata = “Ayahuasca”
Tabernatnthe Iboga ~ “Iboga Root”




IMHO, there should be enough psychoactives on that list to satisfy anybodys need to alter their mind.

Are there any plants I'm missing which should be included on the list?


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7945095 - 01/28/08 12:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty good list, but I don't know about some of your category breakdown. Sinicuichi once a year? It'd be years before you got lucky enough for it to actually work. I've rarely hear of people obtaining consistent results with it.

Calea zacetachichi and valerian each once a month? What gives on that? And lotus too. You ever get good results with it? I've tried smoking it, smoking extracts, and making alcoholic extracts, with no substantial effect.

Chocolate no more than once a week? And coffee? And ginsing? That's not even psychoactive is it? I didn't think ginsing had any positive effects unless consumed somewhat regularly, as a nutritional supplement. Personally I don't think once a week is often enough for marijuana, but I can respect where you're coming from.

And Rooibos isn't psychoactive either, as far as I know. The flavor really put me off it within a few cups though, I'll get my antioxidants from good old-fashioned tea.

Also, I don't know whether classifying the strong entheogens as once-a-year things is very necessary. It's been over a year since I've eaten mushrooms, but there have been times when it was prouctive to take them a few times within a few months.

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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7945125 - 01/28/08 12:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's more of a list of beneifical plants...most are psychoactive...

But some are just good for you.


With the "Yearly Entheogens" you choose 7 to do a year.

So you could do mushrooms 7 times a year...

Or do mushrooms 2 times, cactus 3 times and Aya' once...

You get the idea.


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Sinicuichi once a year? It'd be years before you got lucky enough for it to actually work. I've rarely hear of people obtaining consistent results with it.




One strong experience per year, if it doesn't work, it doesn't count.


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Calea zacetachichi and valerian each once a month? What gives on that? And lotus too. You ever get good results with it?




Ya I get good results.


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7945364 - 01/28/08 01:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If anybody sees any plants which the think are safe and give a good experience, please let me know!


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7945439 - 01/28/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Have you ever gotten any good results from opium lettuce?


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7945517 - 01/28/08 02:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Valerian root is okay for more than once a month use. Use it on nights you're having a hard time getting to sleep. 2 tablespoons or powdered root in tea. I can easily see a few of your weeklies turning into dailies.

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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7946164 - 01/28/08 04:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am also interested in wild lettuce. Are the seeds readily available? That plant looks like stuff I've seen growing around here...

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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: fushock]
    #7946413 - 01/28/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Have you ever gotten any good results from opium lettuce?





Ya I love the stuff...


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7946560 - 01/28/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Have you ever gotten any good results from opium lettuce?





Ya I love the stuff...




Could you give me some info on the best way to use it, harvest it... what the effects are like? I have a few seedlings going, and there's not much information on the interwebz.


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7946612 - 01/28/08 06:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well sir...

I'm working on This...


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Re: Organic Experiences and Moderation [Re: Entropymancer]
    #7946734 - 01/28/08 06:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Calea zacetachichi and valerian each once a month? What gives on that? A





Some studies (informal) show that the calea works better if it builds up in your system for a few days. You won't get the best effects if you use it once a month.

Edit: Entropymancer, I am agreeing with you.

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