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Vectorman11
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Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!!
#7942200 - 01/27/08 07:31 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Okay i see that we got some ron paul fans, i think that ron paul is probably going to win the GOP nomination then its up to america to decide, but i want Ron to win the Republican side because every other republican sucks rotten azz. Mitt Romney is an ahole, Huckabee is a christian lunatic, Guliani dont get me started, and McCain said he wants to stay in Iraq for 100+ years. Get Ron Paul spread the word and never, give up!!!! Ron is gonna end the drug war, the war in Iraq and get rid of the income tax. Life dont get better then that, peace rules others drule!!! Tell me who else you guys like thanks.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Vectorman11]
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Minstrel]
#7943202 - 01/27/08 10:52 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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I full heartedly agree with you and am sick of those fuckers on capitol hill using terror tactics!!
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
#7943210 - 01/27/08 10:56 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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I suggest all Ron Paul supporters go to www.meetup.com
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
#7943775 - 01/28/08 01:56 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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i think repub ticket is a write off unless a Huck Colbert ticket occurs.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Vectorman11]
#7944162 - 01/28/08 07:34 AM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Vectorman11 said: Okay i see that we got some ron paul fans, i think that ron paul is probably going to win the GOP nomination then its up to america to decide, but i want Ron to win the Republican side because every other republican sucks rotten azz. Mitt Romney is an ahole, Huckabee is a christian lunatic, Guliani dont get me started, and McCain said he wants to stay in Iraq for 100+ years. Get Ron Paul spread the word and never, give up!!!! Ron is gonna end the drug war, the war in Iraq and get rid of the income tax. Life dont get better then that, peace rules others drule!!! Tell me who else you guys like thanks.
Another shroomerite living in a dream world 
I lov RP too, but he ain't gonna win the nomination. Jen Edwards has a better chance at getting the dem nomination than RP has at the republican
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Vectorman11]
#7944238 - 01/28/08 08:16 AM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Vectorman11 said: i think that ron paul is probably going to win the GOP nomination then its up to america to decide
What exactly makes you think that? Put down the pipe before answering!
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I wish *I* could be as optimistic as some of the people in this forum
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
#7944620 - 01/28/08 10:26 AM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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One thing I have noticed about hardcore Ron Paul supporters is that they are very, for lack of a better word, earnest. That is not necessarily a bad thing just that many of these people are totally new to the political process and have not yet been burned.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: zorbman]
#7944804 - 01/28/08 11:12 AM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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zorbman said: One thing I have noticed about hardcore Ron Paul supporters is that they are very, for lack of a better word, earnest. That is not necessarily a bad thing just that many of these people are totally new to the political process and have not yet been burned.
I would agree 100%.
Every novice political junkie comes on the scene with his hopes and innocence intact. But then you see the other party run a hellaciously nasty and ultimately successful hatchet job on your candidate, ala "Swift Boat" or GHWB's spiel about "convicted murderers given day passes", and you realize that politics is an incredibly nasty business.
Or you think you have an election won and end up losing it by just a few votes. This is worse than losing by 48 states, I guarantee it.
All of these Ron Paul supporters don't seem to have grasped yet that just because THEY love a candidate, this does not translate into actual other voters that do. If every candidate I liked was automatically put into office, things would look alot different than they do now, let me tell you...
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Vectorman11]
#7944923 - 01/28/08 11:39 AM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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who is ron paul?
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: afoaf]
#7944976 - 01/28/08 11:52 AM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: afoaf]
#7945356 - 01/28/08 01:24 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I think he's a porn star
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
#7945399 - 01/28/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I think he's a porn star
I think you're right, since he has probably caused more self-abuse than anyone in recent memory.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#7945684 - 01/28/08 02:47 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I think you're right, since he has probably caused more self-abuse than anyone in recent memory.
I dunno, a certain horrid asshole comes to mind.....
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: SoY]
#7945812 - 01/28/08 03:19 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#7945868 - 01/28/08 03:43 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah, I don't think he is aware what "self-abuse" means...
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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The internet is the reason Dr. Paul is going to win! Not only is it the purest form of media, he speaks the truth and that is what America is ready for!! He has more donations that any other candidate running, he has his own blimp, and he is making grass roots history. DON'T LISTEN TO TV/CABLE news it's full of lies. Internet polls put him in 3rd and is the leader of the super Tuesday states. He's ahead of Gulianni and coming up quick on Huckubee.
VOTE ON FEB 5th! YOU WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE, YOU OWE IT TO FREEDOM!!!
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
#7945942 - 01/28/08 03:58 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Oh my fucking god....
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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just dont give up, the reason why i think he does have a chance is because the republican party is so weak. The democrats have strong candidates but the republican side has weak loony charachters. Its going to be mccain vs ron paul, but first ron pauls message has to go out. The more people realize that the media is corrupt and the truth behind ron paul the better! Its called a revolution for a reason.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
#7946199 - 01/28/08 04:55 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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> The internet is the reason Dr. Paul is going to win!
Nobody listens to me. The nerds that support Paul are the same nerds that write the software used by Diebold voting machines. Paul has already won.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Seuss]
#7946337 - 01/28/08 05:21 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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That is a very hilarious statement, do you have real confidence in him?
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zappaisgod said: I think you're right, since he has probably caused more self-abuse than anyone in recent memory.
I dunno, a certain horrid asshole comes to mind..... 
Sorry, I should clarify. I meant in a nonsexual way how I inflict mental anguish upon myself on a somewhat regular basis whenever I read zappa's often paranoid, stubborn, status quo opinions on this forum. Don't get me wrong zappa, you occasionally speak the truth, and I enjoy the breadth of your vivid vocabulary, but you're too much of a grumpy old man and frequently perturb me with your excessive pessimism.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: SoY]
#7946931 - 01/28/08 07:08 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I suspect that what you consider to be optimistic I consider pessimistic. We seem to have disparate views on just what is immutable human nature.
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I didn't get it :P
zappa jerks off to Ron Paul pics?
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#7947100 - 01/28/08 07:29 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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We seem to have disparate views on just what is immutable human nature.
Not necessarily. The difference is that I acknowledge that the immutable human nature you refer to extends to those in our government. You seem to always suspect your neighbors and the foreigners, yet it appears that to you our government can do no wrong. This is the source of my frustration.
It is as though you are incapable of entertaining the notion that the American government is just as susceptible to corruption and immorality and *immutable human nature* as "those batshit crazy camelfuckers."
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: SoY]
#7947161 - 01/28/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I do not because for the most part our government operates under a microscope. You, I and almost every other government in the world is not subject to the scrutiny the US government is. I get away with almost everything. They get caught for alot. Can you imagine living under the kind of scrutiny our government representatives get? I can and it gives me the screaming fantods. They don't generally get away with shit.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#7947638 - 01/28/08 08:48 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Vectorman11]
#7947824 - 01/28/08 09:18 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Vectorman11 said: i think that ron paul is probably going to win the GOP nomination...Tell me who else you guys like thanks.
Genghis Khan is polling pretty well, too, this time around. If I don't see him on the ballot, Ima write him in.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: LucidDream]
#7949277 - 01/29/08 06:37 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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If/When RP doesn't make the nomination... I'm giving him my write-in vote in November
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
#7950005 - 01/29/08 11:07 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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I think you all should.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#7952012 - 01/29/08 06:55 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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And I think many will.
I do hope that he gets the nomination, but I doubt that it'll happen.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Fahrenheit]
#7952185 - 01/29/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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And with 62% of the precincts reporting in Florida, Ron Paul is leading the pack! Just kidding! He's at...3%. He must hate it that Drop Dead Fred isn't around to bring up the rear anymore.
Three percent. My god, what will we do? The dream is over.
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Ron paul!!! Ftw!
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Cubie]
#7952665 - 01/29/08 08:35 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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RON PAUL got owned. Someone needs to photoshop OWNED in front of a pic of him standing on something that's the shape of florida
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
#7953135 - 01/29/08 09:45 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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This is what Ron Paul voters have to put up with.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
#7953201 - 01/29/08 09:56 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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I think its funny that RP has a huge store of money to spend on this campaign and he is polling at 3%. If you really believed that he was getting shafted by the mass media then you also have to admit that he is not using he money to buy advertising effectively. For that matter even his "great" grass roots campaign is only reaching a very few people.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Smackshadow]
#7953229 - 01/29/08 09:59 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Whatever. Ron paul is stomping. And there's still a long way to go. He's the best for the job
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Cubie]
#7953302 - 01/29/08 10:09 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Stomping! The man is polling in the bottom two. I wish he was doing better, at least I agree with him on two issues DRUGS and WAR. But after that I got nothing. I think the only way RP is going to be President is if he drops the Republican ticket, runs third party and hopes that the people get so sick of the Democratic party that all the front runners are crushed. And any one will tell you the possibility of that happening is about 1/1000, but having done the homework I still think that is his best shot. It would force him into the spotlight to a greater extent, and by pass the Republican nomination.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Smackshadow]
#7954612 - 01/30/08 06:34 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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Smackshadow said: I think its funny that RP has a huge store of money to spend on this campaign and he is polling at 3%. If you really believed that he was getting shafted by the mass media then you also have to admit that he is not using he money to buy advertising effectively. For that matter even his "great" grass roots campaign is only reaching a very few people.
The one thing you can't deny though (which this proves) is that his supporters are more passionate about their candidate than any other candidate's supporters.
I also think that way more people like what he has to say than are voting for him.... I think these people aren't voting for him though because they don't think his goals are realistic.
I remember a few years back, some show, I can't remember the name, was interviewing people in the midwest and asking them, why for the past 20-30 years the people of these states have always been such steretypical republicans. A lot of them said because Republicans would preserve "THEIR" way of life and that they didn't want a lot of change.
That's Ron Paul's biggest problem. The redneck sub0genre of republicans vote for republicans because they DON'T want changes. They like their simple, predictable lives. Ron Paul will never get these votes until the current republicans in power COMPLETELY go berzerk and lose all their original values to the point where you really COULDN'T distinguish them from the democrats.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
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until the current republicans in power COMPLETELY go berzerk and lose all their original values to the point where you really COULDN'T distinguish them from the democrats.
i see that happening very very soon. today's repubs are NOT true conservatives, it almost sickens me.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Syle]
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I agree... but the transition has been so gradual that a lotta repubs don't really know what's hitting them.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
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Why is it never mentioned as even *plausible* by you guys that his message just does not resonate with that many people, and that this 3 or 5 or 10% of the population is the most votes you can get with that kind of a platform?
Why does this all have to be the result of a stupid electorate? Are all the voters really dumb if they don't agree with you?
The arrogance of you people is stunning.
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Huh?
Anyways... I think Ron Paul has a lot more supporters than ya think. He might be pulling in 5-10% of republicans, but I bet there are many more people in other parties (dems, libs, green, not registered, etc) who would support him over the candidate in the party they're registered.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Smackshadow]
#7956106 - 01/30/08 03:24 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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One thing is for sure, the Ron Paul Movement has made politics interesting to a younger generation. I would rather go back to basics than submit to neo-fascism.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
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WE CAN WIN THIS ELECTION
RON PAUL 08!
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: iTrip]
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No, you can't.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
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BrAiN said: Huh?
Anyways... I think Ron Paul has a lot more supporters than ya think. He might be pulling in 5-10% of republicans, but I bet there are many more people in other parties (dems, libs, green, not registered, etc) who would support him over the candidate in the party they're registered.
Do you really not understand what I'm saying?
Where is this support?
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Minnesota LOVES RON PAUL (my state)
Delegates up the ass, the media wont be able to mask the facts for much longer, well prob till April but anyway, many of Ron's supporters are doing things in Minneapolis and my home town. We're gonna win this! Show your support and vote on Tuesday if possible better yet become a delegate.
I'm gonna be a delegate (hopefully)
You don't gotta look far for Ron Paul's support and 80% of my co workers haven't even heard of him, well they know who he is now!! I've spread the word not for the campaign but because I've been internally inspired and feel I have to do something and no sit idly by, I would really enjoy your support!
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
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It probably helps that he is the only Republican actively campaigning in Minnesota. And he'll still probably only pull third place. It's a shame, but it's the way things are.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Ziggen]
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There's some realism!
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Ron Paul will win because he has a blimp.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
#7958753 - 01/31/08 12:17 AM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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We can win this 
Vote Ron paul
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Vectorman11]
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i think a more realistic scenario is that the race becomes romney/mccain that is tightly contested. ron paul could then use whatever delagates that he has to "persued" either one of them to give him the vice presidency in return for the delegates.
then all you'd have to do is kill the president.
i think that's the most realistic way of getting paul into the oval office.
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Where is this support?
I just told you.. vested almost equally in OTHER parties who CANT vote for him right now
And I get what you're saying. You seem to think that the Paulites on the forum here are all high and mighty. I don't think so. All I've seen here is way too much optomism.
I just don't share in that optomism. I'd be more optomistic is there were no Primaries and everyone just ran all at once. Primaries are just as stupid as the electoral system.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: ledfut]
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ledfut said: i think a more realistic scenario is that the race becomes romney/mccain that is tightly contested. ron paul could then use whatever delagates that he has to "persued" either one of them to give him the vice presidency in return for the delegates.
then all you'd have to do is kill the president.
i think that's the most realistic way of getting paul into the oval office.
Neither Romney or Mccain would consider Paul for a running mate.. even for a second
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
#7959283 - 01/31/08 06:45 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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> Neither Romney or Mccain would consider Paul for a running mate.. even for a second
To be fair, I don't see Paul as the sort of person that would accept VP under either of those two.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Seuss]
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I'd see him doing it, but only as a way of drawing more attention to his cause. I'd imagine he'd be frustrated as hell being the VP to someone who was totally against his ideas.
I don't think there's a single person out there, next to Kucinich, who would even consider him for a second though.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
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I'm down for the assassination if Ron Paul gets VP
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
#7964270 - 02/01/08 10:39 AM (16 years, 16 hours ago) |
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Not to burst any bubbles, but at the st pete debate, there was nothing but huge crowds of ron paul supporters. I cannot drive to work without literally seeing 100+ ron paul signs plastered all over the place, in my 3 mile drive.
The freeways and filled with signs, you cannot stop at an intersection without seeing atleast 3-5 ron paul stickers on individual cars. I hear random people of all ages talking about him on the streets, in resturants, on cell phones in the grocery store, etc.
This may not account for all of florida, but atleast very much in the tampa, and west palm beach areas.
and he lost with 3%
so i guess what im saying is that being completely engulfed in propoganda doesnt ensure anything at all.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: tak]
#7965226 - 02/01/08 02:48 PM (16 years, 12 hours ago) |
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The Ron Paul supporter has an objective mind, a realistic notion that they still have power to make change in their community in the years to come. Optimism is always welcome but what shows most profoundly throughout that cause is honesty. Don't look at how much money is made on a mass donation, look instead at the amount of new supporters willing to give away the fruit of their labor toward a cause they believe in. In a perfect world, Ron Paul in office is ideal but in a world like this, rational belief for someone who has touched you is very encouraging...
I support Ron Paul despite the media and I have passion of which no other may take away. It wont be the end of the world regardless of the outcome, it will be the end of the campaign NOT THE CAUSE!!!!
Pessimism isn't welcome in my life so it's illogical to argue with someone who is. I tolerate all, but respect only people who share my optimism, interests and goals.
Thank you fellow shroomite's!
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
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The Ron Paul supporter is a delusional, disaffected tyro with almost zero real word life experience, a frayed tether to reality, and far too much time on his/her hands. I look forward to them all moving on to some other bit of foolishness. Now, which of you suckers owes me money? Go ahead, raise your hands. I'm going to find out anyway.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#7965415 - 02/01/08 03:50 PM (16 years, 11 hours ago) |
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If we support Ron Paul, we're delusional...
If we give up... then we're a bunch of punks who prove that we didn't believe in the message in the first place
We're damned if we do... damned if we don't..
Moral of the story... It's wrong to even TRY to fight the system, fight from the gov't from regulating every second of your life. How dare we try such things!??!?! Who do we think we are.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: zappaisgod]
#7966099 - 02/01/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 8 hours ago) |
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Call me a internet junkie or whatever but the truth is that I only have 100 or so posts!
Real world? you know nothing about me. My parents are more than 2wice my age and they support the good Dr. so stop flaming man! This is a respectful place and to think that you'd go that low reflects your quick-to-act irrational values.
Besides if you support other candidates then you don't belong on this post!
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Vectorman11]
#7971320 - 02/02/08 11:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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The American Conservative endorses Ron Paul
Good Article
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I'm going to the Ron Paul rally tomorrow at the U of M campus' Great Hall. It's gonna be fantastic, hope to see fellow Minnesotan shroomites there!
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Man I'm watching the Reagan library debate. Everyone gets time to talk except Ron paul. Its pissing me off. Anderson cooper keeps cuting him off when he finishes his first sentence, while he clearly intended to continue. Romney is giving an hour long speech on time table with-drawl from Iraq. Fuck the media. They brain wash you with simple suggestion. They make it seem like Ron paul has no chance of winning, so the sheepol don't 'waste' their vote. Damn pawns. Dispite what you may believe the Ron paul movement is big. Passionate. And powerfull. The only way he won't win is if all of you don't stand up and think for your selves. Don't be brain washed by suggestion/out of sight out of mind.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Cubie]
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Why do the people have to be brainwashed if Ron Paul doesn't win?
Can you comprehend the fact that maybe his support is really about 5%, and that many people such as myself have made an informed decision that the guy's policies are ruinous?
Is that so far-fetched?
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Quote:
Madtowntripper said: people such as myself have made an informed decision that the guy's policies are ruinous?
Is that so far-fetched?
Yes, that part is. His policies are the same ones that created and established this country. His policies are the same ones that lead to the development of this countries booming growth for that majority of it's time.
You will have to demonstrate what policies of his are ruinous with some evidence. The facts of History show that a strong and powerful country of free and properous people can be built on them. His policies are the same ones that lead to the ideals and realisations of the American dream, what people have flocked to immigrate here to live by.
The sort of new policies that Paul disagrees with are the ones the founding fathers warned lead to the corruption of government tyranny, economic enslavement and or demise of nations.
His Policies are soelely based on the law of the Constitution. Are you saying the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, and Bill of rights are ruinous?
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No, and I don't appreciate you putting words into my my mouth.
Where in the Bill of Rights does it say we will not have troops in any foreign country for any reason?
*I* believe, and you may hold a different belief, that pulling our troops out of every country they are in tomorrow would be ruinous and would lead to the wholesale slaughter of many thousands of people.
Again, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. If you don't believe that, fine. But don't call *ME* brainwashed because I have a different opinion of you.
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You put words in my mouth. I didn't call you brainwashed and did not include that brainwashed stuff someone else posted from your quote. Quote me as saying that. I didn't, someone else did. Relax.
I only dealt with your claim that Paul's policies are ruinous and asked for factual evidence to back up that claim.
Only working with what you posted to support your claim, you are "guessing" that Iraqis will be slaughtered more then they are being slaughtered now by us, by someone else, if we leave.
You have no proof of that and secondly, The United States of America is not Iraq and U.S. citizens are not Iraqi citizens. Where does the U.S. become "ruined" with a with drawl from Iraq?
Proof please.
If middle eastern People continue to kill middle eastern people, like they have been doing for thousands of years, how is that ruinous to the U.S. or our problem to solve? We built this country while they were busy killing each other over their religious and territory wars.
We can't afford it and we will be economically ruined and militarily drained if we continue on with the current Foreign Policy of nation building over seas.
Looks like the only concern you have right now is what will keep another country from your fear of being ruined further if we leave, with zero regard for how it is weakening (ruining) our own in the process by staying.
And what and whose Policy created what we have today in Iraq?
Not Ron Paul's, or those this country was founded on. He warned of what would happen over there if we attacked them, let alone without a a declaration of war. He wants to get rid of the policy that has already slaughtered 100,000-1,000,000 Iraqis and left their country militarily unstable.
He wants to prevent us from doing the same in other country's which also serves to weaken ours financially and militarily in the process.
Please support with evidence how Paul's policies will be ruinous to this country and it's tax paying citizens.
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Hold on there, Chief.
I just told you that I'm not trying to convince you anything.
If you don't agree with me, that's just fine.
Okay?
I said that *I* feel his policies are ruinous, not that you have to.
There are 25 other threads where his foreign policy is discussed and debated. Check one of those.
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I knew you were not going to be able to give evidence or reason for your unfounded hot air claim.
I'll tell you whose words on Foreign Policy are terrifying to me in the ruinous sense for both the U.S. and countries abroad.
Obama was recently talking about keeping with an agenda to modernize the eastern world. 
That is the aggravating cause that Al Queda's jihad is founded on. They don't want us Modernizing their religious ways. They do not want us influencing their governments with our modernized western ways. They don't want us building military bases or modern schools, as Obama wants to, in their countries.
He will piss them off at us even worse.
Al Queda is not a country with a military. They are free radicals scattered about the world, who fight like the viet con. History has shown our military SUCKS at fighting this sort of enemy and in ground wars and that the causalities involved with fighting these types of people are huge.
Obama's policy will aggravate them further trying to modernize them.
If all of you Obama supporters are successful at getting him into the WH, all future blood spilled in Iraq, here and elsewhere related to his very Arrogant and unconstitutional Foreign policy will be on your hands.
He is living in a fantasy land if he thinks his back ground of living in Muslim regions will give him the edge at dealing with Al Queda. He is a modern American Christian trying to influence them over to our modern ways and that is all they will see.
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That is the aggravating cause that Al Queda's jihad is founded on. They don't want us Modernizing their religious ways.
We don't want to modernize their religious ways. We just want them to stop killing everyone who doesn't follow their religious ways.
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They do not want us influencing their governments...
Please list for us the countries of the world which have Al Qaeda as their government. Thank you.
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He will piss them off at us even worse.
So what? Who cares if they're pissed off? Not me. Pretty much the entire non-Western world is pissed off at the Western countries for something or other. It will always be that way. How they feel is not the problem. What they do is the problem.
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Al Queda is not a country with a military. They are free radicals scattered about the world, who fight like the viet con. History has shown our military SUCKS at fighting this sort of enemy...
Completely untrue. The US kicked the ass of the Viet Cong. Hell, even the Viet Cong admitted that quite cheerfully, once people just like you persuaded the US government to hang the South VietNamese out to dry.
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... and in ground wars and that the causalities involved with fighting these types of people are huge.
Less than 4,000 combat deaths in five years of fighting can hardly be classified as "huge".
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Obama's policy will aggravate them further trying to modernize them.
Again, who cares if they're aggravated?
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If all of you Obama supporters are successful at getting him into the WH, all future blood spilled in Iraq, here and elsewhere related to his very Arrogant and unconstitutional Foreign policy will be on your hands.
Be dramatic much? Electing Obama would certainly be a disaster for the US, but to lay the iraq mess at his feet is just being ridiculous. As for unconstitutional, you have no idea what the word means. There is nothing unconstitutional about the US presence in Iraq.
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He is living in a fantasy land if he thinks his back ground of living in Muslim regions will give him the edge at dealing with Al Queda. He is a modern American Christian trying to influence them over to our modern ways and that is all they will see.
This makes him no different from anyone else. Muslims can't deal with Al Qaeda either. They're fanatics and will do what they're gonna do regardless of what anyone else does or says or doesn't do or doesn't say (short of converting en masse to Al Qaeda's brand of Islam, of course). The only way to deal with murderers like Al Qaeda is to neutralize them before they can pull off their next murder. This process will last for as long as there are Al Qaeda devotees. Decades at the least, centuries more likely.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Phred]
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I agree with everything you said except the Obama-Slander.
There sir, you are dead wrong.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Phred]
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We don't want to modernize their religious ways. We just want them to stop killing everyone who doesn't follow their religious ways.
It doesn't matter what we say our objectives are. What matters is what they believe. They like a religious lead government and don't like us Christian westerners influencing their governments in any capacity. If their governments don't like them killing people who don't agree with their religions their own governments should be doing something about it. If we are seen as putting pressure on their governments to make them stop, they are going to try and stop us from doing it.
If the citizens of Countries where religious persecution take place, want to put a stop to it, it's up to them to do it.
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Please list for us the countries of the world which have Al Queda as their government. Thank you.
They all reside and originate from somewhere under some countries government, namely Saudi Arabia. Al Queda members seem to originate from many Middle eastern nations though. You know that Phred.
I never said Al Queda is a country with an Al Queda government. I have been reminding everyone that they are not, and that's why they have formed their own underground terrorist organization that acts independently from Middle eastern governments. That is what makes them next to impossible to negotiate or deal with let alone win a Military style war against.
You can't sanction Al Queda
Al Queda can force us through terrorist antagonism to spend a fortune on fighting them, with the goal of weakening our economy and military to a point of where, we don't have the money to maintain bases in the middle east or the power to influence the middle eastern governments through sanctions good or bad.
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He will piss them off at us even worse.
So what? Who cares if they're pissed off? Not me. Pretty much the entire non-Western world is pissed off at the Western countries for something or other. It will always be that way. How they feel is not the problem. What they do is the problem.
We have seen what they can do when they are pissed off. I do care about what they are willing to do when they are pissed off at us.
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Completely untrue. The US kicked the ass of the Viet Cong. Hell, even the Viet Cong admitted that quite cheerfully, once people just like you persuaded the US government to hang the South VietNamese out to dry.
You call this kicking their ass?
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The Vietnam War was the longest military conflict in U.S. history. The hostilities in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia claimed the lives of more than 58,000 Americans. Another 304,000 were wounded. The Vietnam War was a military struggle fought in Vietnam from 1959 to 1975, involving the North Vietnamese and the National Liberation Front (NLF) in conflict with United States forces and the South Vietnamese army. From 1946 until 1954, the Vietnamese had struggled for their independence from France during the First Indochina War. At the end of this war, the country was temporarily divided into North and South Vietnam. North Vietnam came under the control of the Vietnamese Communists who had opposed France and who aimed for a unified Vietnam under Communist rule. The South was controlled by Vietnamese who had collaborated with the French. In 1965 the United States sent in troops to prevent the South Vietnamese government from collapsing. Ultimately, however, the United States failed to achieve its goal, and in 1975 Vietnam was reunified under Communist control; in 1976 it officially became the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. During the conflict, approximately 3 to 4 million Vietnamese on both sides were killed, in addition to another 1.5 to 2 million Lao and Cambodians who were drawn into the war.
http://www.vietnamwar.com/
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Less than 4,000 combat deaths in five years of fighting can hardly be classified as "huge".
I was talking about what happened in viet nam where that type of fighting takes place. Look at the numbers of deaths in the paragraph I quoted. Pissing off people who fight like the Viet con will lead to a slaughter who knows where else in the future that some one like mad town concerned about slaughters, supporting an arrogant AL Queda antagonist like Obama, needs to think about.
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Again, who cares if they're aggravated?
I do. 9/11 and an excuse for what's happened in Iraq is what happens when they are aggravated.
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Be dramatic much? Electing Obama would certainly be a disaster for the US, but to lay the Iraq mess at his feet is just being ridiculous. As for unconstitutional, you have no idea what the word means. There is nothing unconstitutional about the US presence in Iraq.
War is pretty dramatic.
The current state of Iraq is not obamas fault. I'm looking ahead at what his arrogant Foreign Policy may further produce, based on what same current policy has produced.
Undeclared wars by congress are unconstitutional.
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He is living in a fantasy land if he thinks his back ground of living in Muslim regions will give him the edge at dealing with Al Queda. He is a modern American Christian trying to influence them over to our modern ways and that is all they will see.
This makes him no different from anyone else. Muslims can't deal with Al Qaeda either. They're fanatics and will do what they're gonna do regardless of what anyone else does or says or doesn't do or doesn't say (short of converting en masse to Al Qaeda's brand of Islam, of course). The only way to deal with murderers like Al Qaeda is to neutralize them before they can pull off their next murder. This process will last for as long as there are Al Qaeda devotees. Decades at the least, centuries more likely.
In the MTV debate last Sunday, HE himself said it does make a difference and his experience with living in Muslim cultures was his argument for why he would be better then Hillary at Foreign negotiations. Those were Obamas arrogant and foolish words, not mine.
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It doesn't matter what we say our objectives are. What matters is what they believe.
There are only two options here --
1) they do in fact realize that we don't want to modernize their religious ways but deliberately pretend that we do -- in which case they are dishonest
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2) they have honestly managed to convince themselves in the face of all evidence to the contrary that we do want to modernize their religious ways, in which case they are stupid.
In neither scenario has the West done anything wrong.
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They like a religious lead government and don't like us Christian westerners influencing their governments in any capacity.
Who gives a flying fuck at a rolling donut what they like or don't like? What matters isn't what they feel, what matters is what they do. Besides, it can't have escaped your attention that these murderous fanatics are killing orders of magnitude more Muslims than non-Muslims. It's not enough to be a devout Muslim in their eyes, you have to be the correct flavor of devout Muslim. Even having an Islamic government doesn't give a country a pass -- look at Bali, Morocco, Indonesia, Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia.... the list goes on.
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If their governments don't like them killing people who don't agree with their religions their own governments should be doing something about it.
Their governments are doing something about it. See Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan and more.
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If the citizens of Countries where religious persecution take place, want to put a stop to it, it's up to them to do it.
If an ally of the United States asks for US assistance in putting a stop to it, what should the US response be?
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That is what makes them next to impossible to negotiate or deal with let alone win a Military style war against.
You can't sanction Al Queda.
You make my case for me. As I said, the only way to deal with them is to neutralize them before their next murder. You have somehow convinced yourself there is another way to get them to leave you alone -- don't antagonize them. Problem is, that doesn't work either. See Bali (twice), France, Morocco, Spain, Thailand, Indonesia and more.
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Al Queda can force us through terrorist antagonism to spend a fortune on fighting them, with the goal of weakening our economy and military to a point of where, we don't have the money to maintain bases in the middle east or the power to influence the middle eastern governments through sanctions good or bad.
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I do care about what they are willing to do when they are pissed off at us.
So do I.The problem is, everything pisses them off. Having a Piglet cup on the desk of a government employee. Allowing your seven year old students to name a teddy bear Mohammed -- the most popular male name in England, by the way. Publishing cartoons showing Mohammed's face. Or even writing Wikipedia articles and including ancient paintings of Mohammed in the article. Or quoting in a magazine the words of an imam. Or not realizing that an abstract design meant to resemble the swirled shape of an ice cream sundae might be interpreted as "Allah" by those so inclined. The list is endless.
Fuck that noise. If they can't learn to handle such "offenses" without hacking off the heads of innocent folks or self-detonating everywhere from marketplaces to schools in Beslan, they need to be neutralized. It's not up to us to change our way of life to appease those with poor impulse control, it's up to them to learn how to chill.
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You call this kicking their ass?
Yep. I realize you are younger than I and as a result of that less interested in the history of Viet Nam than I was, but that war has fascinated me since I was of draft age. I am pretty knowledgeable on it. The fact of the matter -- as even Viet Cong generals readily admit -- was that the Cong and the NVA were getting their butts kicked. Did the US lose tens of thousands of troops? Yep... they sure did. But the bad guys lost millions. Literally.
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I was talking about what happened in viet nam where that type of fighting takes place.
Why bring up irrelevancies? There is no comparison whatsoever with what happened in Viet Nam and what is happening in Iraq, let alone what's happening in the myriad other places Al Qaeda plies their deadly trade.
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Pissing off people who fight like the Viet con will lead to a slaughter who knows where else in the future...
But there is no comparison whatsoever with the Cong and Al Qaeda. The Cong had popular support in large segments of the country. Al Qaeda has next to none in any of the countries in which they operate with the possible exception of Pakistan.
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Undeclared wars by congress are unconstitutional.
Have you read the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq (often abbreviated AUMF) passed by both houses of Congress prior to the resumption of hostilities in Iraq in 2003? I suggest you look it up, read it, then get back to us.
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In the MTV debate last Sunday, HE himself said it does make a difference and his experience with living in Muslim cultures was his argument for why he would be better then Hillary at Foreign negotiations. Those were Obamas arrogant and foolish words, not mine.
Hey, I already said the US will be totally fucked if he's elected president this November. I certainly wouldn't vote for him. But to claim that if he is elected, every drop of blood shed in Iraq from that day forward can be blamed on him is just drama queen hysterical exaggeration.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Phred]
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To say the west has not been sticking their nose in trying to stop religious persecution over there isn't true. We don't respect their religious right to follow their Koran when it comes to stoning people for things like homosexuality, infidelity, pre marital sex etc.
We don't allow Muslims to do it to other Muslims here and they know that. They know that is a part of our agenda to modernize them.
Weather religious persecution is right or wrong, it is legal in many of their countries right now. You want to change it anyone? Then quit bitching about terrorists threats made against us and get use to it and the cost.
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Besides, it can't have escaped your attention that these murderous fanatics are killing orders of magnitude more Muslims than non-Muslims. It's not enough to be a devout Muslim in their eyes, you have to be the correct flavor of devout Muslim. Even having an Islamic government doesn't give a country a pass -- look at Bali, Morocco, Indonesia, Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia.... the list goes o
I'm well aware of that and I think it is something the governments and people of the countries these murders are happening in need to deal with.
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heir governments are doing something about it. See Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Pakistan, Afghanistan and more.
I know. I posted something here over a year ago about Saudi woman who was beat brutally and left for dead, who made a case with the press over it from her hospital bed and it got the attention of their government and some laws changed. I think the Muslim peoples of those country's have a greater chance at effecting real change, then us Christians from Hollywood, land of porn and thong bikini's do.
There are local groups working on it and they are effecting change without our help.
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If an ally of the United States asks for US assistance in putting a stop to it, what should the US response be?
Good question. If they truly want to stop it, they have to pass their own laws , illegalizing religious persecution and use their police force to enforce it like ours does.
If someone in the U.S. tried to enact some of the nuttiness in the Old testament that condones murdering people for moral sins, we'd through their ass in jail for murder.
These are complicated issues within religious lead regions thousands of years old. For a two hundred year old modernized country from the west to come in and play Sheriff isn't the answer. I think it needs to be worked out on their local levels and it will take time and they will be met with resistance.
We can offer safe harbor to anyone under religious persecution by their own governments as well.
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As I said, the only way to deal with them is to neutralize them before their next murder. You have somehow convinced yourself there is another way to get them to leave you alone -- don't antagonize them. Problem is, that doesn't work either. See Bali (twice), France, Morocco, Spain, Thailand, Indonesia and more.
Again, these problems are within their own country's. The question to ask is, what should our role be in becoming involved with dealing with them. Sticking our nose into the internal affairs of other countries, and trying to neutralize them hasn't worked either. The latest reports say Al Queda at large, is larger and better organized then ever before.
Local law enforcement needs to hunt these individuals down and lock them up, everywhere they are.
You have convinced yourself that it is the job of the U.S. Military to become the local law enforcement of every country out their with religious fanatic murders in them.
I am going to ask you. How can we afford to do this? Is our Military large enough to do this or are you for a draft? Is the blow black worth it?
I think we need to pull back and re-evaluate all of this. I would start with the securing of our borders better, and work at better intelligence gathering within the U.S. to best keep us safe here on our soil, until we can find a new and better way to neutralize religious fanaticism around the world.
We are stretched to thin financially and militarily doing it right now, even if every American citizen agreed Policing the world was the right thing to do. We need to start thinking about plan B, and while doing that, we need to pull back and re beef up our economy, and national defence while figuring it out anew.
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Your point being?
They see the way as stopping us as getting us to go bankrupt and they are doing a great job of that right now. We have been playing into them and they are beating us at their goal to crush our economy and weaken our military. I don't think we should keep playing into their hands by responding to their psychosis the way we have been.
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So do I.The problem is, everything pisses them off. Having a Piglet cup on the desk of a government employee. Allowing your seven year old students to name a teddy bear Mohamed -- the most popular male name in England, by the way. Publishing cartoons showing Mohamed's face. Or even writing Wikipedia articles and including ancient paintings of Mohammed in the article. Or quoting in a magazine the words of an imam. Or not realizing that an abstract design meant to resemble the swirled shape of an ice cream sundae might be interpreted as "Allah" by those so inclined. The list is endless.
Fuck that noise. If they can't learn to handle such "offenses" without hacking off the heads of innocent folks or self-detonating everywhere from marketplaces to schools in Beslan, they need to be neutralized. It's not up to us to change our way of life to appease those with poor impulse control, it's up to them to learn how to chill.
I liked that side of you up there!
That's what I have been saying. What you did in the bolded part. Their own people need to put that sort of pressure on them. We can't possibly monitor how they are all raising their children to end up becoming religious fanatics. They have to want to chill the fuck out already. The change has to come from within them, third religious and government leaders to be lasting and effective.
How do we realistically get involved with that effectively with our limited means and resources?
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Did the US lose tens of thousands of troops? Yep... they sure did. But the bad guys lost millions. Literally.
That was the only point I was getting at for madtown to consider about obama aggravating people who fight like the viet Con did. There may more likely be much more of the slaughter that madtown, wants to end, not less in the long run under an Obama rule. ( Building schools in the middle east ?) What about ours, they suck in Florida and who does Obama think he is Oprah?
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Why bring up irrelevancies? There is no comparison whatsoever with what happened in Viet Nam and what is happening in Iraq, let alone what's happening in the myriad other places Al Qaeda plies their deadly trade.
The Viet con are an example of what happens when we go up against a non military fighting style.
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But there is no comparison whatsoever with the Cong and Al Qaeda. The Cong had popular support in large segments of the country. Al Qaeda has next to none in any of the countries in which they operate with the possible exception of Pakistan.
Tell that to the people who watched Muslims cheering in the streets over there as the twin towers fell.
Look at the fighting tactics these guys use, hijacking and flying our own planes into our buildings, strapping bombs to retards walking into crowds of their own and then detonating them. Our Military is not trained to fight this sort of thing.
Perhaps we need to develop a new military branch designed to think like a psycho.
Bottom line for me. The solution and agenda currently being worked on involves the heading towards a one world government and police force run under the UN that gets involved with how we raise and educate the worlds children globally. The solution being worked on is of the socialist mentality that takes away the rights of the individual, and soverign countries to create a homogeneous whole.
Is that where you want to go Phred?
I think we need to slow down a bit and really think about it.
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Have you read the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq (often abbreviated AUMF) passed by both houses of Congress prior to the resumption of hostilities in Iraq in 2003? I suggest you look it up, read it, then get back to us.
Why it's a point to me is that undeclared wars have no official end statement from the start and can go on and on and on........
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Hey, I already said the US will be totally fucked if he's elected president this November. I certainly wouldn't vote for him. But to claim that if he is elected, every drop of blood shed in Iraq from that day forward can be blamed on him is just drama queen hysterical exaggeration.
Who ever orders our troops into a snake pit to kill and bomb civilians has to take accountability for it and so do those that elect them.
Who is to blame right now for dead Iraqi children Phred? The ones who killed them, the ones who order them killed, the ones who elected those that ordered them to be killed or all the above?
Who else is there in that chain of cause and effect? Micky Mouse?
Call me whatever you want. I am a mom with a child and seeing the massacre of civilians over there is sickening to me. I need to be at peace with my conscious every night before I fall asleep.
I like Paul's idea of hiring special ops to target Al Queda members specifically like assassins or bounty hunters. I'm okay with going after Al Queda that way if we must and minimizing the collateral damage to civilians, Infrastructure overseas, our economy and Military.
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I saw my name in there somewhere.
What about me?
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Ok, guys, as I said I'm going to his rally tonight, I'll post some pictures tonight after I get back!!!
If you look at the Earth subjectivly, it's only a matter of time before we nuke ourselves. That is: if we keep down the path we currently occupy. Change in another modest American direction will
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
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Yes, because the United States is the country that is most likely to start a nuclear war...
Are you kidding?
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This Rally was Awesome! Over 3,000 voters showed up! It was at the Northrup auditorium at the University of Minnesota. Go Ron Paul Supporters!!








And by nuke ourselves I mean us as a species, And by the path we currently occupy, I mean as part of this country we can show the world they way without force!!
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