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OfflineBrAiN
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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Smackshadow]
    #7954612 - 01/30/08 06:34 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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I think its funny that RP has a huge store of money to spend on this campaign and he is polling at 3%. If you really believed that he was getting shafted by the mass media then you also have to admit that he is not using he money to buy advertising effectively. For that matter even his "great" grass roots campaign is only reaching a very few people.




The one thing you can't deny though (which this proves) is that his supporters are more passionate about their candidate than any other candidate's supporters.

I also think that way more people like what he has to say than are voting for him.... I think these people aren't voting for him though because they don't think his goals are realistic.


I remember a few years back, some show, I can't remember the name, was interviewing people in the midwest and asking them, why for the past 20-30 years the people of these states have always been such steretypical republicans. A lot of them said because Republicans would preserve "THEIR" way of life and that they didn't want a lot of change.

That's Ron Paul's biggest problem. The redneck sub0genre of republicans vote for republicans because they DON'T want changes. They like their simple, predictable lives. Ron Paul will never get these votes until the current republicans in power COMPLETELY go berzerk and lose all their original values to the point where you really COULDN'T distinguish them from the democrats.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7954746 - 01/30/08 08:21 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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until the current republicans in power COMPLETELY go berzerk and lose all their original values to the point where you really COULDN'T distinguish them from the democrats.





i see that happening very very soon. today's repubs are NOT true conservatives, it almost sickens me.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Syle]
    #7954756 - 01/30/08 08:28 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I agree... but the transition has been so gradual that a lotta repubs don't really know what's hitting them.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7955136 - 01/30/08 11:16 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Why is it never mentioned as even *plausible* by you guys that his message just does not resonate with that many people, and that this 3 or 5 or 10% of the population is the most votes you can get with that kind of a platform?

Why does this all have to be the result of a stupid electorate? Are all the voters really dumb if they don't agree with you?

The arrogance of you people is stunning.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7955410 - 01/30/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Huh?

Anyways... I think Ron Paul has a lot more supporters than ya think. He might be pulling in 5-10% of republicans, but I bet there are many more people in other parties (dems, libs, green, not registered, etc) who would support him over the candidate in the party they're registered.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Smackshadow]
    #7956106 - 01/30/08 03:24 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

One thing is for sure, the Ron Paul Movement has made politics interesting to a younger generation. I would rather go back to basics than submit to neo-fascism.


Edited by wyldeman007 (01/30/08 07:52 PM)


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
    #7957863 - 01/30/08 09:06 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

WE CAN WIN THIS ELECTION

RON PAUL 08!


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: iTrip]
    #7958055 - 01/30/08 09:52 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

No, you can't.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7958059 - 01/30/08 09:53 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Huh?

Anyways... I think Ron Paul has a lot more supporters than ya think. He might be pulling in 5-10% of republicans, but I bet there are many more people in other parties (dems, libs, green, not registered, etc) who would support him over the candidate in the party they're registered.




Do you really not understand what I'm saying?

Where is this support?


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7958349 - 01/30/08 10:46 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Minnesota LOVES RON PAUL (my state)

Delegates up the ass, the media wont be able to mask the facts for much longer, well prob till April but anyway, many of Ron's supporters are doing things in Minneapolis and my home town. We're gonna win this! Show your support and vote on Tuesday if possible better yet become a delegate.

I'm gonna be a delegate (hopefully)

You don't gotta look far for Ron Paul's support and 80% of my co workers haven't even heard of him, well they know who he is now!! I've spread the word not for the campaign but because I've been internally inspired and feel I have to do something and no sit idly by, I would really enjoy your support!

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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
    #7958605 - 01/30/08 11:45 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

It probably helps that he is the only Republican actively campaigning in Minnesota. And he'll still probably only pull third place. It's a shame, but it's the way things are.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Ziggen]
    #7958683 - 01/30/08 11:59 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

There's some realism!


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7958708 - 01/31/08 12:05 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Ron Paul will win because he has a blimp.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: wyldeman007]
    #7958753 - 01/31/08 12:17 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

We can win this :smile:



Vote Ron paul


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Vectorman11]
    #7958964 - 01/31/08 01:50 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

i think a more realistic scenario is that the race becomes romney/mccain that is tightly contested. ron paul could then use whatever delagates that he has to "persued" either one of them to give him the vice presidency in return for the delegates.

then all you'd have to do is kill the president.


i think that's the most realistic way of getting paul into the oval office.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7959228 - 01/31/08 06:05 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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Where is this support?




I just told you.. vested almost equally in OTHER parties who CANT vote for him right now

And I get what you're saying. You seem to think that the Paulites on the forum here are all high and mighty. I don't think so. All I've seen here is way too much optomism.

I just don't share in that optomism. I'd be more optomistic is there were no Primaries and everyone just ran all at once. Primaries are just as stupid as the electoral system.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: ledfut]
    #7959230 - 01/31/08 06:06 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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i think a more realistic scenario is that the race becomes romney/mccain that is tightly contested. ron paul could then use whatever delagates that he has to "persued" either one of them to give him the vice presidency in return for the delegates.

then all you'd have to do is kill the president.


i think that's the most realistic way of getting paul into the oval office.




Neither Romney or Mccain would consider Paul for a running mate.. even for a second


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7959283 - 01/31/08 06:45 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

> Neither Romney or Mccain would consider Paul for a running mate.. even for a second

To be fair, I don't see Paul as the sort of person that would accept VP under either of those two.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: Seuss]
    #7959363 - 01/31/08 08:01 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

I'd see him doing it, but only as a way of drawing more attention to his cause. I'd imagine he'd be frustrated as hell being the VP to someone who was totally against his ideas.

I don't think there's a single person out there, next to Kucinich, who would even consider him for a second though.


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Re: Vote Ron Paul rEVOLution !!!! [Re: BrAiN]
    #7960361 - 01/31/08 02:12 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

I'm down for the assassination if Ron Paul gets VP


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