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OfflineDarkMoon21
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The Essence of Zen
    #7941389 - 01/27/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Traditional Zen Buddhism teaches that enlightenment is a state of "before-thought" where there is no good karma or bad karma, there only is. This is a state of "don't know" so to speak. However, modern western society has deemed that state virtually all but impossible through it's mass commercialism, consumerism, and materialistic values and morals.
Therefore, in theory, the only way to truly achieve this state of "don't know" mind is to transcend this reality and move on to the next. In other words, to die.
The Essence of Zen is Death.
But the thing is, that isn't a morbid thought, it's not a depressing thought, it's just a thought. And that's Beautiful.
ZEN.


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-=-Never Sigh For Better World
It's Already Composed
Played And Told-=-

Science gives a consistent how with an incomplete why.
Faith gives an inconsistent how with a complete why.


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Re: The Essence of Zen [Re: DarkMoon21]
    #7941517 - 01/27/08 05:34 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Not sure that's what those Zen guys meant.:lol:

But we will all find out won't we? :wink:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: The Essence of Zen [Re: DarkMoon21]
    #7941536 - 01/27/08 05:37 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

DarkMoon21 said:
Traditional Zen Buddhism teaches that enlightenment is a state of "before-thought" where there is no good karma or bad karma, there only is. This is a state of "don't know" so to speak. However, modern western society has deemed that state virtually all but impossible through it's mass commercialism, consumerism, and materialistic values and morals.
Therefore, in theory, the only way to truly achieve this state of "don't know" mind is to transcend this reality and move on to the next. In other words, to die.
The Essence of Zen is Death.
But the thing is, that isn't a morbid thought, it's not a depressing thought, it's just a thought. And that's Beautiful.
ZEN.




indeed.


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Re: The Essence of Zen [Re: DarkMoon21]
    #7942220 - 01/27/08 07:35 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I think you're right and I think you're wrong. What is death? To those morbid thinkers, why does death speak the end of "whatever"? If everything has similar building blocks then there would be no end... so... death? why death?

The SRY (sex determining region of the Y chromosome) gene is a small tidbit of the, well, Y chromosome that determines if the embryo should make testes. Death, to me, would a small tidbit of what is ZEN.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing


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Re: The Essence of Zen [Re: DarkMoon21]
    #7942228 - 01/27/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

A Zen Master lay on his deathbed.

His students were distraught.

"How will we receive teachings now?!" they asked.

The Zen Master pointed to himself. "There is absolutely nothing here! What teachings?"

With that, he died.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: The Essence of Zen [Re: Cracka_X]
    #7942265 - 01/27/08 07:42 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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The SRY (sex determining region of the Y chromosome) gene is a small tidbit of the, well, Y chromosome that determines if the embryo should make testes.  Death, to me, would a small tidbit of what is ZEN.


I have no idea what you're talking about, but you have touched upon the very essence of Zen IMO maybe. :laugh:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: The Essence of Zen [Re: Lion]
    #7942292 - 01/27/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

hehe, i guess that was a kinda unclear. to make a female the 23rd chromosome pairs usually are XX, whereas it takes an XY to make a male(have testes). On the Y of the XY is a gene that sends the signal to make testes, which produce testosterone and give rise to the secondary sex characteristics like deep voice, hairy chest, etc...


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing


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