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5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana)
    #7940789 - 01/27/08 03:09 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Some people have told me 5-Meo-DMT should not be mixed with MAOIs.

BUT B. caapi (MAOI) and Diplopterys (5-Meo-DMT) are often mixed in Aya' brews...


Diplopterys is a tradtion ingredient...

So what's the deal?

Is it ok to use Diplopterys cabrerana and B. caapi?

Is it ok to use Diplopterys cabrerana and Syrian Rue?

How do you guys think Diplopterys compares to Psychotria?


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7941605 - 01/27/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Can anybody help me out?


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7941814 - 01/27/08 06:22 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Mixing any amine with an MAOI is dangerous.



But it's a risk some people are willing to take.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: Querjek]
    #7942207 - 01/27/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Well...

Is there any evidence that diplopterys + an MAOI is more dangerous than Psychotria + an MAOI?


How do diplopterys and psychotria compare?


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7942274 - 01/27/08 07:44 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Ive tried it, and it didnt seem to cause any unpleasant effects. It has a different feel to it than just DMT, but to me DMT 5-meo-dmt and psilocin feel pretty similar.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: Moo456]
    #7942402 - 01/27/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Interesting.

Thank you for the post.

You tryed B. caapi and Diplopterys? or what?


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7942427 - 01/27/08 08:19 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Actually i tried syrian rue with Diplopterys. Syrain rue is much more potent of an MAOI which leads me to beleive that it is a safe combination.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: Querjek]
    #7942431 - 01/27/08 08:20 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Quote:

Querjek said:
Mixing any amine with an MAOI is dangerous.



But it's a risk some people are willing to take.




What.......
the fuck...........
are you taking about..............

If you know what you are doing, what are the risks?


NOT dangerous(if you know what you are doing).
But Id love to hear why you would say such bullshit.

Sorry, I just had to say that.
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anyways............

5-meo-dmt is not something I want in my ayahuasca unless its in extreemely small doses.

A brew containing 5-meo-dmt and caapi, or 5-meo-dmt and rue are both safe.

Its an extreemely weird experience though.
In my opinion most people would not desire to use a 5-meo-dmt plant.

After taking an maoi, 5-meo-dmt is like a black hole compared to nn-dmt.
Its alot weirder and alot more frightening for some people, though it is far less visual.

That headspace would not be desired by most people if they only knew. I can tell you that much.

If you use alot of 5-meo-dmt, you will know what I mean.

One of my favorite brews contains mostly nn-dmt, and lets say, a pinch of 5-meo-dmt for a bit of otherworldly kick.

When considering and looking out for yalls own mental health, id say stay away from ayahuasca made with 5-meo-dmt, before id say the same about nn-dmt aya.

really though, I dont recommend it, and dont dislike it either.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: yageman]
    #7942462 - 01/27/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

People have just told me...

Don't use 5-Meo-DMT with MAOIs.

I donno who it was.

I did a search but couldn't find shit.

If anybody thinks it's dangerous please tell me why...


I am not incorrect in my thinking that Diplopterys Cabrerana contains DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, am I?



I'd also like to hear about all the plants people use to make Ayahuasca or "Ana'huasca" (Aya' made useing Analouges)


So far I've got-

Driplopterys cabrerana
Psychotria species
B. caapi
Mimosa h.
Syrian rue. (P.h.)
Tobacco
Brugmansia/Datura


What esle is used?


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7942760 - 01/27/08 09:15 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

http://www.biopark.org/ayahuasca.html

Others plants are seldom used but I dont remember where to find that info.

Oco yage.
Its not something most people here would want to mess with(my guess), but it is incredible.

the brews made with small amounts of datura are the most threatening in every way.
Still, if done right its safe for your body, but your mind is never unbreakable no matter what psychedelic you are using.
Thats a whole nother can of worms.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: yageman]
    #7943035 - 01/27/08 10:03 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

If anybody esle would care to compare diplopterys and psychotria I would love to hear some accounts...


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7943043 - 01/27/08 10:05 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

ever smoked 5-meo-dmt?
ever smoked nn-dmt?

If you have, that would illustrate my point perfectly.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: yageman]
    #7943047 - 01/27/08 10:06 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

No sir I have not...

I have only used DMT from psychotria in conjuction with B. caapi consumed in an Aya' brew.

I have never used Diplopterys.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: FarFromHere]
    #24896074 - 01/07/18 10:05 AM (6 years, 22 days ago)

It's a fact that mixing ANY MAOI's with 5-meo-dmt can be both potentially dangerous and also life-threatening.
So obviously, there are no Ayahuasca brews containing 5-meo-dmt.
The whole argument about chagropanga leaves containing 5-meo-dmt is simply unfounded speculation; it has yet to be proven.
No knowledgable or intelligent person ever mixes Ayahuasca vine or any other MAOI with 5-meo-dmt, it's insensible and foolish and just asking for problems.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: Happinessfeeling]
    #24910012 - 01/13/18 08:15 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

In dreams, would suggest to leave the chaliponga alone, it is often only recommended for very advanced dreamers, there is perfectly good hawaiian psychotria out there right now that is highly active at just 15g (which is plenty!). Chaliponga can turn on you in an instant with anxiety, etc, and since it lasts longer it can prove a difficult experience for a while whereas psychotria is very nice and streamligned. The UDV, santo daime, and shuar indian consider Aya to be only caapi + psychotria, and not chaliponga. All the extra stuff in chaliponga tends to ruin the experience, have dreamed hawaiian psychotria some 50 plus times it was that incredible, but chaliponga just 3 times and never again in dreams.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: tregar]
    #24910033 - 01/13/18 08:24 AM (6 years, 16 days ago)

it flows through us all, our eternal love, is great, and i recommend it, dont think about it too much, just sip and fly.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: agent]
    #24910749 - 01/13/18 12:05 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

5-MEO is just so much more potent that it's more risky then NN I guess. Especially in plant form where you have no idea what the potency will be.

But even when pure you need an accurate scale as it's not the kind of thing you want to overdo. It's active in the 5-10mg range I believe.

I have read some interesting oral 5meo reports, but even in some positive group sessions a few people freaked out. Which is probably common in general but I imagine 5meo is more unpredictable.

That said I would try it one day, but I would want to work up to it over time and make sure I knew exactly how much I was taking. Starting low would also be smart.


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Re: 5-Meo-DMT (from Diplopterys cabrerana) [Re: musiclover420]
    #24910755 - 01/13/18 12:06 PM (6 years, 16 days ago)

youll naturally start low and work your way up to your desired potency, but just dont ever stop, keep it going for the others.


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