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Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes!
    #7939028 - 01/27/08 03:22 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

WASHINGTON -- Senior government officials said Saturday that they were closely watching a failing U.S. spy satellite that had begun the process of "de-orbiting" and cautioned that the large device was no longer controllable and could hit the Earth as early as late February.

"Appropriate government agencies are monitoring the situation," said Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the National Security Council. "Numerous satellites over the years have come out of orbit and fallen harmlessly. We are looking at potential options to mitigate any possible damage this satellite may cause."

U.S. officials are unable to maneuver the satellite, and Johndroe declined to say whether it would be possible to shoot down the spy apparatus before it plummets to Earth. He would not divulge further specifics.

At the Pentagon, Air Force Lt. Col. Karen Finn confirmed that Defense officials thought the satellite could hit the Earth soon but that more analysis would be needed to better determine when, where and in what condition the satellite might crash.

"We are monitoring it," she said. "The NSC has been talking to us about this, and they confirm it is a de-orbiting satellite."

White House officials had little more to say about the situation beyond what the Pentagon and the National Security Council disclosed.

The Associated Press, citing unnamed sources, hinted that the satellite could contain hazardous materials, but the sources were not certain.

Nevertheless, administration officials took the precaution of notifying U.S. lawmakers and other nations, and pledged to keep them aware of the situation as the satellite's failure nears.

Many commercial satellites contain small rockets that ground controllers use to adjust their orbits, and solar panels and rechargeable batteries for power.

Batteries in solar power systems usually are considered hazardous for disposal purposes.

Satellites launched toward planets farther from the sun more often rely on nuclear power.

Some early U.S. and Russian satellites orbiting Earth also used nuclear power, and several accidents over the years resulted in releases of radioactive material.

The contents and operation of U.S. military and spy satellites are classified.

The most significant uncontrolled re-entry by a U.S. craft was Skylab in 1979. Debris from the 78-ton abandoned space station fell into the Indian Ocean and over remote areas of Australia.

In 2000, NASA engineers used rockets aboard the 17-ton Compton Gamma Ray Observatory to bring the satellite down in the Pacific Ocean. And in 2002, officials think debris from a 7,000-pound science satellite fell into the Persian Gulf.

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Re: Big-ass Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Diploid]
    #7939038 - 01/27/08 03:38 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

That shit will probley fall into the ocean somewhere and kill a bunch of fish


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Re: Big-ass Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Cubie]
    #7939041 - 01/27/08 03:39 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Or maybe well get lucky and it will fall on Osama bin laden. Or my ex-girlfriend.... Lol


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Re: Big-ass Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Diploid]
    #7939068 - 01/27/08 03:53 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

It's a shame they made a spy satellite and didn't even think to add a self destruct mechanism should it fall into enemy hands.


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Re: Big-ass Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Stein]
    #7939098 - 01/27/08 04:28 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Same with planes.

Maybe not self destruct but remote control


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Re: Big-ass Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Cubie]
    #7941250 - 01/27/08 04:38 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

they could ask the Chinese to shoot it down, and pay them to do it :laugh:


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Re: Big-ass Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7944524 - 01/28/08 10:02 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

yea, wouldnt it burn up on impact? so what ever does fall will be some scrap pieces. I dont think its gonna do mush damage.


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Re: Big-ass Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: CoonHeadJoe]
    #7944817 - 01/28/08 11:15 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

> yea, wouldnt it burn up on impact?

Re-entry rather than impact. As objects enter the atmosphere with a lot of velocity, they create a massive high pressure area in front of the object. Ideal gas law states that when all else is equal, increase in pressure equates to an increase in temperature. The massive pressure generates massive heat that incinerates the object. The only problem is that some parts of the satellite are massive enough, or built out of heat resistant materials, and will remain intact. Generally, things such as propellant tanks, will survive. Nothing like a little hydrazine (or worse) to ruin somebodies day.


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Diploid]
    #7952059 - 01/29/08 07:05 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Maybe it will be the first death blows of world war III. Or more likely it'll burn up in the atmosphere to the size of a chiwawa's head. Anyways, one things for sure; the should make a movie about it.


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: fushock]
    #7954053 - 01/30/08 12:17 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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U.S. officials are unable to maneuver the satellite, and Johndroe declined to say whether it would be possible to shoot down the spy apparatus before it plummets to Earth. He would not divulge further specifics.





What the fuck does this even mean? Its like the reporter decided they were going to save the day, and inserted their own suggestion into the story. Create news, don't report....


So they want to shoot down rather than plummet to... what's the difference? Am I missing something?


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: johnm214]
    #7954436 - 01/30/08 03:19 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

> So they want to shoot down rather than plummet to... what's the difference?

I can almost see the press conference where some reporter asks, "If it heads towards a populated area, can you shoot it down?"


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Seuss]
    #7957056 - 01/30/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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Anyways, one things for sure; the should make a movie about it.





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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Seuss]
    #7957209 - 01/30/08 06:47 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

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> So they want to shoot down rather than plummet to... what's the difference?

I can almost see the press conference where some reporter asks, "If it heads towards a populated area, can you shoot it down?"




lol, I really think this was the reporter trying to insert their brilliant save for the benifit of nasa and their ego. Wtf does blowing it up accomplish? I guess maybe if you can pulverize it, but this seems unlikely. If the things allready going to be large enough to cause worry, I don't imagine creating more shrapnel or a more unpredictable trajectory would be helpful.


Its not like when a missle hits this thing its going to loose all forward momentem, decelerate to 0m/s and then drop straight down. The missle would make it more suspenseful though! Someone correct me if I'm missing something here...


(I propose we do somehting like that stupid bruce willace movie where he digs a hole in the asteroid) This would take care of both the sattelite and bruce


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: johnm214]
    #7957422 - 01/30/08 07:38 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

hmmm... read another story on this that seemed to say this is a non issue.  The amount of junk left over after reentry won't be very big...

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Nevertheless, administration officials took the precaution of notifying U.S. lawmakers and other nations, and pledged to keep them aware of the situation as the satellite's failure nears.




well I'm certainly glad our lawmakers are aware of the threat, now they can take action.... perhaps apply the same winning techniques used in the war on drugs,  make it illegal.  Once the sattelite is illegal, it won't land.  And even if it does land, we will send a zero-tolerance message to other satellites about the dangers of earth, by locking it up at considerable expense.  Then we will make ads to put on tv saying how people who get hit by satellites are less attractive to the opposite sex, and support terrorism- this will decrease demand for the satellite.

and rather than finding the trajectory it will take, and informing the public through honest dialog, we will simply tell folks "satellites are bad" and they will know not to get crushed by one- lest they break the law.  They aren't scientists after all, they couldn't use information like where it will land and a time frame of when this will occur.

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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Diploid]
    #8046959 - 02/20/08 11:50 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Ships and aircraft are warned to avoid a region of the Pacific. Officials say they're watching weather conditions for the most opportune moment to take the first shot.

By Peter Spiegel, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
7:55 AM PST, February 20, 2008

WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon's missile defense program has long been as contentious as it is pricey. But a small part of that system, ship-mounted missiles designed to track and destroy enemy warheads, has proved more affordable and successful.

The Navy was set to activate that system today, according to the Associated Press, but high seas in the north Pacific may force it to delay for another day an unusual Pentagon attempt to shoot down a failing spy satellite that is hurtling toward Earth with 1,000 pounds of toxic rocket fuel aboard.

"We're now into the window," a senior defense official told a Pentagon press conference minutes after the shuttle landed at 9:07 a.m. Eastern Time.

He said it will remain open for a little more than a week and that the decision to attempt a shot will depend on conditions in the atmosphere, such as sea levels, winds and other variables.

"We're watching weather today," he said. The ground rules of the news conference were that the official could not be quoted by name.

In eight years of testing, warships equipped with Aegis radar systems have hit 12 targets in 14 Pacific Ocean attempts, compiling a better record than the costlier land-based system of interceptor missiles in Alaska and California.

But the task of bringing down the satellite will be much harder, Navy officials warned. The satellite is traveling faster, higher and, perhaps most important, colder than the enemy missiles the system was built to hit.

"We're looking at a cold body in space, a body that has been shut down for some time, and so it doesn't have the traditional heating that a ballistic missile has," said a Navy official, noting that heat is one of the primary ways an interceptor finds its target.

"The typical clues that both the interceptors and the combat system look for have to be changed. That's the difficulty," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the effort publicly.

Pentagon officials said today's scheduled landing of the space shuttle Atlantis in Florida marks the beginning of a nearly weeklong window to shoot down the satellite.

Ships and aircraft were issued a notice Tuesday by federal officials to avoid the north Pacific test area today, said Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell. But Morrell emphasized that no final decision had been made about when to take the shot.

"If a shot is not taken within the 24 hours after that notice went out, there will likely be another [notice] that goes out," he said.

According to a Web posting by Ted Molczan, a well-known amateur satellite tracker in Canada, the federal notice warns ships and planes to avoid a restricted zone just west of Hawaii for 2½ hours beginning at 7:30 Pacific time tonight.

The 5,000-pound spy satellite went bad soon after its 2006 launch and has been orbiting out of control. The Bush administration's decision last week to shoot it down marks the first such attempt since Cold War-era tests in the 1980s.

The Chinese government has expressed concern, and Russian officials have charged that it is a veiled missile test. Some U.S. nonproliferation groups have questioned whether the threat of a fuel-tank rupture justifies the effort and expense involved in blasting the satellite.

Pentagon officials defended the plan and expressed confidence about chances for success. But Navy officials said the mission would not be easy.

The interceptor missile's "kill vehicle" -- the very top of the rocket that gets pushed toward the satellite -- is equipped with an infrared seeker, which looks for signs of heat and uses retrorockets to guide itself into the target's path.

Since the cold satellite lacks the heat that an enemy missile would have, the operation's planners are relying on the sun to raise the satellite's temperature enough to allow the vehicle to find the spacecraft, the Navy official said -- an indication that the shoot-down would be attempted in the daytime.

Navy officials plan to use a Raytheon-made Standard Missile 3. Three of the missiles, which cost $10 million apiece, have been readied for the shoot-down attempt. Navy experts have reconfigured the missile's software to help it find the cold satellite in the even colder upper atmosphere.

"Once the weapon goes into track, then I think it's a done deal," the Navy official said, using the military term for locking onto a target.

The speed of the intercept will cause additional complications. The satellite and the missile will be flying toward each other at about 22,000 mph, nearly twice the speed of a missile defense test. That gives the interceptor, which is not armed with explosives, only a small margin of error.

Even the satellite's size -- military officials have compared it to a bus -- may not be much help. The Navy official said the target is the satellite's fuel tank, which is holding% the half-ton of hydrazine fuel that U.S. officials warn could turn into a toxic gas if the% tank cracked open when it hit Earth.

With the satellite spinning out of control, hitting a specific part of it adds to the difficulty.

"This is a very big object. If the area of concern is the gas tank, you need to be in that location," the Navy official said. He added that software technologies allow the missile to home in on a small part of a larger target, but the specifics remain classified.

Navy officials said the cruiser Lake Erie, which has fired missiles in 10 of the Navy's 14 missile defense tests, has been designated as the ship to fire at the satellite. The destroyer Decatur will be nearby as a backup.

Although Pentagon officials initially said that three ships would be involved in the test, a second Navy official said the third ship, the destroyer Russell, might not participate.

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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Diploid]
    #8046970 - 02/20/08 11:53 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Comment by James A. Lewis, Center for Strategic and International Studies
google news commentSatellite Shootdown Comments - 2 hours ago

People are looking for ulterior motives for the shootdown because the official explanation – preventing a thousand pounds of hydrazine falling from the sky – seems a bit thin.

Hydrazine is highly dangerous stuff. It’s unstable, corrosive and explodes easily. That means that the fuel tanks for hydrazine are made extra tough. Unfortunately, the strength that lets the fuel tank carry hydrazine safely into space also means that the tank is tough enough to survive catastrophic reentry. When the shuttle broke apart on reentry a few years ago, the hydrazine tank was one of the few items to survive the fall unscathed. In that case, however, the tank contained only a few pounds of hydrazine. In this case, the tank is full. The risk is that the equivalent of a 1000-pound bomb could end up crashing down into a populated area.

Lots of debris falls from space every year – the boosters that carry satellite up come down pretty quickly. Elderly satellites are deorbited without much notice. [Diploid: and they're decried as alien visitation coverups by UFO nuts.] The difference is that these are usually controlled reentries, where the impact point is planned (usually in water) and there is a degree of control as to the timing. This is an uncontrolled reentry. It’s possible to predict where impact will occur with some accuracy, but a number of factors can through the prediction off. Presumably, the U.S. predicts it will fall near or close to a populated area. Usually these things fall into water – it covers ¾ of the planet’s surface – or an unpopulated area. I know of only one reported case where someone was hit by a piece of a falling satellite, when a 20 pound chunk of aluminum from a Chinese CBERS satellite hit a boy in Shaanxi province – the press reported that he suffered a “fractured toe.”

The hydrazine explanation seems far-fetched, but the alternative explanations make even less sense. The U.S. doesn’t need to do this to impress the Chinese. They were already impressed by earlier successful tests, including the last one where an SM-3 missile launched from an Aegis cruiser hit a warhead 87 miles above the Pacific Ocean. This didn’t get a lot of public attention, but the Chinese military was sure to have followed it closely, if only because the U.S. has a cooperative missile defense program using Aegis with Japan, which the Chinese think could be used to defend Taiwan.

This test and China’s ASAT test really aren’t comparable. This is a ballistic missile defense test rather than an anti-satellite test. An anti-satellite test would have attacked the target while it was in orbit. A BMD test attacks when the target is in reentry. Hitting the target at a lower altitude reduces the risk of debris. One of the problems with the China ASAT test (aside from not telling anyone in advance) is that it left a large debris cloud orbiting the earth. The debris from this Aegis test will be at a lower altitude and be more quickly drawn into the earth's atmosphere, where they will burn up.

Success is likely in this effort, but not assured. Of the ten Aegis tests, eight resulted in hits. There is also the possibility that the satellite will behave erratically as it hits the atmosphere, making it a more difficult target. Variants of the SM-3 missile can be used against aircraft or ships, but these variants carry explosive warheads with proximity fuses (meaning the warhead only as to get near the target, not actually hit it). The missile defense variant uses a ‘kinetic’ warhead, basically a large lump of metal that crashed into the target. It will be moderately embarrassing if it misses.

The notion that secret high tech gizmos would fall into the wrong hands has some merit, but not enough to justify a shoot-down. There are always pieces of wreckage when a satellite falls to the ground. When they fall in the Canadian Arctic, the U.S. and Canada collect the pieces. When a nuclear powered satellite built by the Soviet Union crashed in Canada in the 1970s, the Soviets said they didn’t want the pieces back. When a Chinese rocket carrying a Western-owned communications satellite blew up shortly after launch, the Chinese carefully collected all the pieces and tried to examine them before turning them back, but the most sensitive items were charred and cracked beyond recognition. The probability of gaining useful information from the crash is low, as the best technology would have to survive reentry and the debris would have to fall in an opponent-controlled area. The probability of surviving reentry and landing in a hostile controlled area are too low to explain the decision to shoot down.

The one scenario that doesn’t get as much attention is planetary defence, possibly because it sounds silly. The notion that the U.S. should add intercepting meteorites or asteroids before they strike the earth to its defense missions seems pretty far-fetched. These events are so rare as to be improbable. On the other hand, supporters say, an asteroid strike wiped out the dinosaurs, drastically changed the environment, created a year-long winter and so on. It still sounds far-fetched. On the other hand, a 200-foot wide meteorite that struck Tunguska Siberia in 1908 had the effect of a nuclear explosion (without the radiation aftereffects). If there was warning that a similar event was about to occur over a populated area, it would be nice to have the ability to stop it. It's not worth spending much time worrying about being hit by asteroids, however, or even by satellites, but having spent all that money on missile defense, it’s nice that it finally has some practical use.

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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Diploid]
    #8047235 - 02/20/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

ok, this makes much more sense than the previous article (first one) talking about shooting down the sattelite


My understanding is that their not worried about where it will land particularly, but rather wether it will have hydrazine when it does so?

Is that everyone else's understanding?  I just didn't see how they could determine where it landed once they shot it w/ a missle.


But yeah, this definatly seems like a missle test :smile:

Its not like hydrazine is that much of a threat if you don't get hit by the damn thing first.  Its pretty reactive and will just degrade into N, O, and maybe ammonia and similar compounds.


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: johnm214]
    #8047242 - 02/20/08 01:06 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

They are probably using this as an excuse to test Thaad, and the plan is to break it up into small pieces so that it all burns up in the atmosphere, as opposed to big pieces that make it through.


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    #8047284 - 02/20/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

yeah, the public and the reporters seem to have a poor understanding of highly reactive chemicals... in a sence, the more reactive this thing was, the less you have to worry about, as the more rapidly it would be degraded in air to something inert.


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: johnm214]
    #8047311 - 02/20/08 01:27 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> My understanding is that their not worried about where it will land particularly, but rather wether it will have hydrazine when it does so?

The tank will most likely make it down intact either way. They want to bring it down over the pacific ocean where few people live. They are using the hydrazine issue as an excuse. What they are not telling is that the tank will be empty by the time it reaches earth. Why? Because there are feeder lines from the tank that will burn up allowing all of the super hot hydrazine to flash evaporate into the ultra thin atmosphere.


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    #8047329 - 02/20/08 01:31 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

htTtp://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1930844420080220

This whole thing smells fishy.  I'd go into theory, but i'd be afraid of men in ski masks in the middle of the night :tinfoil:


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    #8047371 - 02/20/08 01:41 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Russia and China have both expressed concern about the operation. The Russian Defense Ministry said it could be used as cover to test a new space weapon.




It is no more of a weapons test than Iran's uranium enrichment is for a weapons program. China isn't one to talk, having sprayed weather satellite parts all over upper earth orbit creating havoc for the next 40 years as part of a space weapon test just last month.

As to the real reason why... China did and the US needs the data to keep up. This is a perfect opportunity, a good excuse, and doesn't rain debris down over lower earth orbit for the next forty years. (I don't care that China tested a space missile, but the mess they made annoys me to no end!)


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Seuss]
    #8047450 - 02/20/08 02:02 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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China did and the US needs the data to keep up. This is a perfect opportunity, a good excuse, and doesn't rain debris down over lower earth orbit for the next forty years.



Yes, that is the real reason. It's a good excuse for their experiment.

The mess it can make when things explode in space is huge and almost impossible to clean. It's precious space up there in space.


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    #8048974 - 02/20/08 08:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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    #8050526 - 02/21/08 05:21 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"The US has successfully struck a disabled spy satellite with a missile fired from a warship in waters west of Hawaii, military officials say." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7254540.stm



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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Annom]
    #8050845 - 02/21/08 08:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: skydog]
    #8051922 - 02/21/08 01:38 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I just came along this figure in a book, how a debris cloud forms:


-http://books.google.com/books?id=HfnGxKhcQWUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=mission+geometry+orbit+design&ei=J9y9R4-FKJXOywTuj8jbCA&sig=uDajtGkdR9nNeUnR9feJyWu385E#PPA712,M1

I guess debris can fill a lot of space if there are too many collisions. Imagine two debris clouds colliding, and triggering more collisions. I imagine this as a nuclear chain reaction kind of process.


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Annom]
    #8052666 - 02/21/08 04:42 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

"The US defence secretary has said that the shooting down of a disabled spy satellite with a missile shows the country's missile defence system works." - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7257865.stm

:lol: A predictable satellite is not the same as a missile.


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Annom]
    #8052789 - 02/21/08 05:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

> :lol: A predictable satellite is not the same as a missile.

Depending upon the data you use in the test, it can be pretty close.


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Diploid]
    #8055030 - 02/22/08 01:36 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I guess this is the video of the shoot down released by the Pentagon



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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Stein]
    #8055382 - 02/22/08 07:40 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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I guess this is the video of the shoot down released by the Pentagon





That thing is hauling ass


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: GoodbyeOrb]
    #8059344 - 02/23/08 05:05 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Is this related to the fireball spotted over Oregon on the same day?


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Middleman]
    #8059701 - 02/23/08 09:54 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

No, fireball is thought to be a meteor.


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Re: Big-ass Spy Satellite About To Clobber Earth! Yikes! [Re: Seuss]
    #8068299 - 02/25/08 11:44 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i think its an excuse for a test also. space war style


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