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Planets Rotating Around The Sun
    #7937720 - 01/26/08 09:56 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)



do our planets rotate all in one parallel line like the above picture shows or all they all a little off? what about the moon?

how do scientist know that there are forms of gases and whatnot on these planets?


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7937725 - 01/26/08 09:58 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

all the planets are aligned perfectly and go around the sun the same speed so yes, the picture is correct


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: danlennon3]
    #7937745 - 01/26/08 10:02 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I don't see a picture but the planets don't make exact circles. For instance Earth is actually closer to the sun in the winter than it is in the summer (tilt is was causes seasons). And until a few years ago, Pluto (no longer a planet) was closer to the sun than Neptune.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: danlennon3]
    #7937746 - 01/26/08 10:02 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

No the planets dont all go at the same speed, see keplers law.

Yes they are aligned in a plane. Not perfectly of course, but more or less in a plane. Interesting indeed.

If you want scientific answers, you should try the science forum. There are many smart individuals there who love this shit.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: danlennon3]
    #7937748 - 01/26/08 10:02 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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all the planets are aligned perfectly and go around the sun the same speed so yes, the picture is correct




i hope thats sarcasm. thats not how it works.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: danlennon3]
    #7937752 - 01/26/08 10:03 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

they are always going around the same like in the picture? none are faster than others? so there could be another earth just like ours that is directly on the other side of the sun and we just dont see it?


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: cactastic]
    #7937756 - 01/26/08 10:03 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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I don't see a picture but the planets don't make exact circles.  For instance Earth is actually closer to the sun in the winter than it is in the summer (tilt is was causes seasons). 


What about the southern hemisphere?  :crazy2:


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7937771 - 01/26/08 10:06 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

anything, orbiting anything, orbits in an oval type fashion. centriplital force is the cause.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7937780 - 01/26/08 10:07 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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they are always going around the same like in the picture? none are faster than others? so there could be another earth just like ours that is directly on the other side of the sun and we just dont see it?


The closer to the sun the faster they go. That was discovered by kepler. We would know if there was another planet on the other side of the sun from various space craft. There is not.


How do scientists know some planets are gases? From the light they reflect. Light comes from atoms, and different atoms make light at different colors. Look at the colors and voile you know what atoms there are. The technical term is 'emission lines' and 'absorption lines' if you want to look the shit up, its pretty interesting.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: DieCommie]
    #7937794 - 01/26/08 10:09 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)



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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #7937842 - 01/26/08 10:17 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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PilzeEssen said:centriplital force is the cause.




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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7937963 - 01/26/08 10:37 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

The diagram is accurate; the planets are in the same plane. Here's a decent explanation for this:

http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=205

Our moon isn't quite in the same plane -- it's about 5 degrees off. This is probably because the moon was not formed the same way the planets were. (I think the current favored theory is that it was created when another small planet collided with Earth.)

The gases are primarily determined by spectroscopy. Different gases absorb different wavelengths of light, and no two gases absorb exactly the same wavelengths (kind of like how no two humans have the same fingerprint.) By analyzing the light coming off an object you can deduce the gases that the light has passed through. (Look up spectroscopy on wikipedia if you want the gory details.)

Oh, and if you want a fun piece of party trivia, ask someone to draw the Earth-moon distance to scale on a piece of paper (try it yourself right now). Most people will draw something like you see in your picture, with the moon fairly close to the Earth. Scroll down to the middle of this page to see the actual Earth-moon distance drawn to scale:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7937996 - 01/26/08 10:42 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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PilzeEssen said:centriplital force is the cause.




stop posting now.




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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: danlennon3]
    #7938006 - 01/26/08 10:44 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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all the planets are aligned perfectly and go around the sun the same speed so yes, the picture is correct



Now there's a crock of bull if I ever read one.
Each of the planes are slightly off the other, with Pluto being most out of alignment.
And no, they all go at different speeds, with Mercury traveling the fastest.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7938017 - 01/26/08 10:47 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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danlennon3 said:
all the planets are aligned perfectly and go around the sun the same speed so yes, the picture is correct



Now there's a crock of bull if I ever read one.
Each of the planes are slightly off the other, with Pluto being most out of alignment.
And no, they all go at different speeds, with Mercury traveling the fastest.




thanks andy. we need to be careful or next they're gonna try to tell us this shit is flat.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938024 - 01/26/08 10:48 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

There seems to be a surge of Doomsday prophets floating around the Shroomery these days:

"OMG! 2012 is coming - we're all gonna DIE!"
"Oh know, Jesus isn't real - my religion is a scam!"

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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938034 - 01/26/08 10:50 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

What's all this nonsense I see posted here about planets rotating around the sun? Clearly they are bound to crystal spheres rotating in the heavens around this blessed disc we call Earth.
Damn Copernicans. Next thing you know they'll go and contradict Aristotle claiming that there are more than four elements.
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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: koppie]
    #7938038 - 01/26/08 10:51 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

While we're talking about this dorky shit, here's an interesting fact:

"MOON OR DOUBLE PLANET?
The Earth and the Moon are relatively close in size (4:1 in diameter, 81:1 in mass), unlike most planet/moon systems. Many people consider the Earth and Moon to be a double planet system (rather than a planet/moon system). The moon does not actually revolve around the Earth; it revolves around the Sun in concert with the Earth (like a double planet system)."


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: danlennon3]
    #7938058 - 01/26/08 10:53 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I was searching for eccentricity and inclination of orbits..sorry kinda drunk and love the cosmos

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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Ferris]
    #7938064 - 01/26/08 10:54 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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While we're talking about this dorky shit, here's an interesting fact:

"MOON OR DOUBLE PLANET?
The Earth and the Moon are relatively close in size (4:1 in diameter, 81:1 in mass), unlike most planet/moon systems. Many people consider the Earth and Moon to be a double planet system (rather than a planet/moon system). The moon does not actually revolve around the Earth; it revolves around the Sun in concert with the Earth (like a double planet system)."



But you can't really agree with that.
For if the Moon did not rotate around Earth, it would follow a path similar to those of the other planets.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7938076 - 01/26/08 10:56 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

2012... the year the aztec calendar ends im assuming?


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7938081 - 01/26/08 10:57 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I know it's an oversimplification


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938089 - 01/26/08 10:58 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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2012... the year the aztec calendar ends im assuming?



Of course. Weren't you aware that our country pays strict attention to a calendar written by an ancient race of people?
Face it - come 2012, we're all fucked!


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7938098 - 01/26/08 10:59 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

certainly. i better go get my aluminum foil hat post-haste.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7938133 - 01/26/08 11:04 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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But you can't really agree with that.
For if the Moon did not rotate around Earth, it would follow a path similar to those of the other planets.


Wouldn't all moons? The moon is the 'moon' because it was the first one ever observed and it was defined as such. Thats how I think of it at least.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: DieCommie]
    #7938144 - 01/26/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

And then, you would have to consider that our Sun rotates in orbit around the center of the Milky Way, and that, in turn, rotates around ... who knows what.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7938159 - 01/26/08 11:07 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Wikipedia: "A binary system is an astronomical term referring to two objects in space (usually stars, but also planets, galaxies or asteroids) which are so close that their gravitational interaction causes them to orbit about a common center of mass. Some definitions (e.g. that of double planet, but not that of binary star) require that this center of mass is not located within the interior of either object. A multiple system is like a binary system but consists of three or more objects."

Since the moon is close to the earth and relatively big for a moon, the center of gravity between them isn't on earth.

Pluto/Charon is also considered under this defintion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_planet


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Ferris]
    #7938171 - 01/26/08 11:09 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Sorry mang, but you lose this argument.
The Moon is being carried around the Sun by the Earth.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7938186 - 01/26/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Sorry mang, but you lose this argument.
The Moon is being carried around the Sun by the Earth.




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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938194 - 01/26/08 11:13 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I was just saying it's a double planet, not that it rotates the sun, I copied and pasted that bullshit without reading it. Maybe there's some scientific basis behind that statement you're considering that I'm not aware of.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Ferris]
    #7938199 - 01/26/08 11:14 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

that statement is trying to say that the earth has nothing to do with carrying the moon. with if that were the case then why do we have tides?


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938212 - 01/26/08 11:16 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Wait, wait. I re-read it. Keyword: concert. Meaning it rotates BOTH. Don't argue with that, the sun DOES exert grav on it. That's all it means.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938237 - 01/26/08 11:19 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Tides have nothing to do with what orbits the sun

The moon-earth system co-orbit the sun.

The moon would orbit the sun if the earth wasnt here.

The force the sun exerts on teh moon is greater than the force the earth exerts on the moon.

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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Vanguard]
    #7938247 - 01/26/08 11:20 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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I was searching for eccentricity and inclination of orbits..sorry kinda drunk and love the cosmos

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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: DieCommie]
    #7938269 - 01/26/08 11:23 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Tides have nothing to do with what orbits the sun

The moon-earth system co-orbit the sun.

The moon would orbit the sun if the earth wasnt here.

The force the sun exerts on teh moon is greater than the force the earth exerts on the moon.

Done.




the moon effects the earth and vice versa. if the moon had a greater force than the earth then we would be orbiting the moon instead of the other way around....


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938286 - 01/26/08 11:27 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Pffff.....

Epicenters FTW!!!!

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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Noetical]
    #7938290 - 01/26/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I thought the center was a creamy chocolately filling!
Was I wrong ???


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7938292 - 01/26/08 11:28 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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I thought the center was a creamy chocolately filling!
Was I wrong ???




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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938324 - 01/26/08 11:34 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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the moon effects the earth and vice versa. if the moon had a greater force than the earth then we would be orbiting the moon instead of the other way around....




Right.  But carefully consider read was said, and my conclusion.  It is not the earth that makes the moon go around the sun.  The force the sun has on the moon is greater than the force the earth has on the moon.  The pull from the sun is twice as strong as the pull from the earth.  This means that the moon would continue on its path just fine without the earth, and it is not the earth that drags it around the sun.

Not trying to be a dick and beat this over your head, just clearing up some facts.  :tongue::rocket:


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: DieCommie]
    #7938332 - 01/26/08 11:36 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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the moon effects the earth and vice versa. if the moon had a greater force than the earth then we would be orbiting the moon instead of the other way around....




Right.  But carefully consider read was said, and my conclusion.  It is not the earth that makes the moon go around the sun.  The force the sun has on the moon is greater than the force the earth has on the moon.  The pull from the sun is twice as strong as the pull from the earth.  This means that the moon would continue on its path just fine without the earth, and it is not the earth that drags it around the sun.

Not trying to be a dick and beat this over your head, just clearing up some facts.  :tongue::rocket:




i think we're fighting over different things... your talking mainly about the force of the sun... and im trying to get at the fact that the earth holds the moons orbit. idk


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938350 - 01/26/08 11:38 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

They're not contradictory statements


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938364 - 01/26/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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i think we're fighting over different things... your talking mainly about the force of the sun... and im trying to get at the fact that the earth holds the moons orbit. idk



Let's get to the bottom of this:

Without the Earth, the Moon would rotate around the Sun, no question.
Without the Sun, the Moon would rotate around the Earth.
Since they are both present, the Moon has a coincidental rotation around both of them, with the Earth being the major gravitational partner.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7938365 - 01/26/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

awww we aint fighting man  :mushroom2:


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Ferris]
    #7938366 - 01/26/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

i know but were both just sorta walking off onto different tangents.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Vanguard]
    #7938527 - 01/27/08 12:09 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: Sell Your Soul]
    #7938532 - 01/27/08 12:10 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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andyistic said:
I thought the center was a creamy chocolately filling!
Was I wrong ???




I thought eye was the center of the Universe for a small amount of time.

Try this one.

http://www.solstation.com/habitable.htm


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7938598 - 01/27/08 12:27 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

yes. Skypub is the OLD linkage to sky and telescope magazine.

or if you prefer http://www.skyandtelescope.com/

Any one else check out the near miss 2007 TU24


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7938631 - 01/27/08 12:32 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

That video is from carl sagan's cosmos. Its pretty good, check out a torrent of it or something.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: DieCommie]
    #7938638 - 01/27/08 12:33 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Too bad he's not still around to do updates.
I wonder what is view would have been had we been in a Star Trek type of future ...


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: mycopsycho]
    #7940160 - 01/27/08 12:48 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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IAmTheSickness said:
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PilzeEssen said:centriplital force is the cause.




stop posting now.




hahaha like i care. it was a guess. like im a fucking astrophysicist


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #7940738 - 01/27/08 03:00 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

ehhh, your wernt too far off man. "Centripetal Force" describes only the direction of the force. Centripetal means 'towards the center' or 'seeking the center' so the direction of the force is towards the center, or towards the sun.

But the actual force is gravity.


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Re: Planets Rotating Around The Sun [Re: DieCommie]
    #7940752 - 01/27/08 03:02 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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DieCommie said:
But the actual force is gravity.



If you really wanna be technical, the actual force is the mass times the gravity. :evil:

Sorry for that brief moment of nerdism.


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