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OfflineNiamhNyx
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why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much?
    #7934778 - 01/26/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

well?


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7934798 - 01/26/08 12:32 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

lol

give us an example and then tell us why it sucks, it could make for an interesting discussion


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7934805 - 01/26/08 12:33 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Because it's very direct at showing that it's a cliché


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7934806 - 01/26/08 12:33 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

i think it's pretty cool.

very expressive use of color which i have a tough time doing.. i can only draw black and white..


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7934856 - 01/26/08 12:41 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

This totally sucks


So does this



This stuff was cool. Where did it go?


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7934886 - 01/26/08 12:47 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

The stuff that sucks, is trite, tech-nerdy, spaced out schlock that tries to come across as profound when it's really just way too colorful and extremely cliche.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7934887 - 01/26/08 12:47 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

it's only cliche because you know what to expect based on the expression the artist is using, like how you already know the formula to a detective novel before you start reading it. i still find both mediums can be aesthetically pleasing, and of course that is just my subjective opinion but i think generalizing a whole genre is a mistake as it's not the formula which makes the piece but the soul. i've read a lot of lame detective novels but there are good ones out there.

i think there is some great technical skill and artistic value in some psychedelic art.



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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7934892 - 01/26/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

well the stuff you posted just straight up sucks and was probably done by amateurs not real artists

that first one is soooo bad


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7934910 - 01/26/08 12:51 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I definitly agree that there is a lot of great psychedelic art. Just like there is a lot of great psychedelic music (six organs of admittance) despite the fact that there is shit psychedelic music (most psy trance).

I know that "good" and "bad" are subjective value judgements and all that I still firmly stand behind my judgement that there is such a thing as art that just sucks, whether or not people like it.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7934917 - 01/26/08 12:52 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

of course. those pictures you posted are a great example of bad art :lol:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7934921 - 01/26/08 12:53 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Perhaps because people who are not artists are inspired by their experiences, yet technically-incapable of expressing them through art?

There is some amazing psychedelic art out there, though.  Check this out:

http://www.erowid.org/culture/art/art_painted.php

My favorite "psychedelic" art form is macro photos of nature.  It reminds me of the incredible world that is visible only when you give it your rapt and total attention. :heart:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7934926 - 01/26/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I like Robert Venosa :yesnod:





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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7934929 - 01/26/08 12:55 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

:yesnod: most definitly.

I must say, I think your signature pic is an example of crappy psychedelic art too. In fact, it's what inspired me to post the thread. No offense intended.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Veritas]
    #7934933 - 01/26/08 12:56 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Veritas, you're totally right. I know there is a lot of good psychedelic art out there, there's just sooooo much crap that it's hard to ignore.

MT- those are beautiful!


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7934949 - 01/26/08 12:59 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

That's a 3-D version of a work by Henri Rousseau from 1910.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7934951 - 01/26/08 12:59 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)



www.spectraleyes.com

:yesnod:

Dang, I like EC's sig.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Lion]
    #7934960 - 01/26/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I think that one's pretty cheesy too.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7934965 - 01/26/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Here's one by my son:



It reminds me of images I've seen and felt on salvia.  :eek:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Lion]
    #7934969 - 01/26/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

lol, I like my sig too.

I love how colorful that picture is

edit: that's mighty impressive veritas, how old was he when he created that?


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7934977 - 01/26/08 01:04 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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NiamhNyx said:
I think that one's pretty cheesy too.


:catfrog:  :seinfeld:  :bushtaliban:  :amanita:  :brucelee:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7934981 - 01/26/08 01:05 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

He drew that last year when he was 6.  He spent over 2 hours on it, and was frustrated that the end result did not exactly represent the vision he had in his mind.  He's a trippy kid!  :grin:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Lion]
    #7934984 - 01/26/08 01:06 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I keep having dreams about Seinfeld, it's very strange. I guess that's what happens when you've seen every episode.. Seinfeld now enjoys a parallel existence in my brain.

edit: I like this picture a lot simply because it expresses very well a common experience on psychedelics



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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7934991 - 01/26/08 01:07 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Here's another one I LOVE.
It's rather surreal than psychedelic, but here goes:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7935031 - 01/26/08 01:13 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

psychedelic art seems to try and present the plastic ideal of the psychedelic experience, the image representation which attempts to match reality

while surrealism seems to represent the inner logic and psychology of a trip, you can even see a kind of narrative in the pictures


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7935098 - 01/26/08 01:24 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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EternalCowabunga said:
I keep having dreams about Seinfeld, it's very strange. I guess that's what happens when you've seen every episode.. Seinfeld now enjoys a parallel existence in my brain.


The cat RAAAARRR is out of the bag! :lol:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Lion]
    #7935109 - 01/26/08 01:27 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

LOL..

we were filming a movie together. i won't say what kind of movie, but it was hot. :cool:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7935161 - 01/26/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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I definitly agree that there is a lot of great psychedelic art. Just like there is a lot of great psychedelic music (six organs of admittance) despite the fact that there is shit psychedelic music (most psy trance).




Yeah well... I think Six Organs of Admittance, like most "indie rock", is a fucking joke. Boring, pretentious shit that relies on being "not mainstream" to sell records. Fuck that pussy shit!

I don't even consider Psytrance to be music. It's more like a catalyst to some higher state of liberated weirdness, and is more like a digital drug (see frop), getting you to a land of Tibetan holy men and Yetis, than it is like a Beatles song.

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I know that "good" and "bad" are subjective value judgements and all that I still firmly stand behind my judgement that there is such a thing as art that just sucks, whether or not people like it.




Wait, what?


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7935197 - 01/26/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

there can be an objective basis for whether a piece of art is good or bad but it really means nothing to say something sucks unless you can give an educated reason why based on a philosophical knowledge of aesthetics


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Veritas]
    #7935208 - 01/26/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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He drew that last year when he was 6.  He spent over 2 hours on it, and was frustrated that the end result did not exactly represent the vision he had in his mind.  He's a trippy kid!  :grin:




sounds like a cool kid :cool:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7935251 - 01/26/08 01:56 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Koolosity or Suckation?










Shmoopy originals


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7935253 - 01/26/08 01:56 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

:lol: I'm not gonna try and convince you to like Six Organs, but thier music is undeniably sincere. I think it's funny when people call anything groundbreaking and intellectual that they don't 'get' pretentious, no matter how honest and humble it is. And it definitly isn't 'indie rock.'

The difference between experimental psychedelic folk and something like psytrance, in my opinion, is that the former is intellectual, complex and boundary pushing while the latter is silly, derivative and relies on cheap and insulting manipulations to create its "psychedelic" effect. When I listen to it, I feel insulted. If you wanna talk about something that's a "fucking joke," how about the assertion that psytrance can bring you to a place in consciousness anywhere near what a "Tibetan Holy Man" experiences?

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Me: I know that "good" and "bad" are subjective value judgements and all that I still firmly stand behind my judgement that there is such a thing as art that just sucks, whether or not people like it.




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MushMan: Wait, what?




I like McDonald's, but that doesn't mean it's good food.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Veritas]
    #7935260 - 01/26/08 01:58 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Quote:

Veritas said:
Here's one by my son:



It reminds me of images I've seen and felt on salvia.  :eek:




That is really cool! It's beautiful. I'd love it just as much if it was made by an adult, but the fact that it was a 6 year old kid makes it that much more impressive.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7935276 - 01/26/08 02:00 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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I have a T-shirt like this.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7935288 - 01/26/08 02:03 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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That is really cool! It's beautiful. I'd love it just as much if it was made by an adult, but the fact that it was a 6 year old kid makes it that much more impressive.




Yes, I agree. In the original, the small "beads" of color are the size of grains of rice. His heartfelt effort to express a complex & highly-detailed vision was obvious.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Veritas]
    #7935298 - 01/26/08 02:04 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

*Balloon totally deflated* :frown:

When are you going to help your son put up his own website and claim that ancient spirits are guiding his hand in painting energy fields?


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7935307 - 01/26/08 02:06 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Well, now, that would be NEVER.  :lol:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Veritas]
    #7935316 - 01/26/08 02:09 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Seems you learned very little in your time here. :nono:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Veritas]
    #7935331 - 01/26/08 02:12 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

*jots down some bullshit
ahh... Website, ancient spirits, energy fields... Check, check, and check

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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7935380 - 01/26/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Oh...
Because THEY ARE TOXIC and by them I mean the blue ones.
Red is bread.
Spread.
Ouch my head.

Everything sucks. Just a little.
The damage done is not fun.
Run.
Spun

I'm sure they try their hardest. Like Wooooaaaa man, trippy.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7935390 - 01/26/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

See V? Not everyone is such a slow learner. Good job, BFTD. :thumbup:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7935407 - 01/26/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Ahem, thank you:sunny:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7935410 - 01/26/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Spunoli



THAT is psychedelic art. :bongload:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Lion]
    #7935419 - 01/26/08 02:30 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Like look at his fucking eyes meeaaaan.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7935460 - 01/26/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

haha


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Lion]
    #7935471 - 01/26/08 02:38 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

...the groover grooves on.:uptosomething:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7935481 - 01/26/08 02:40 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)



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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7935502 - 01/26/08 02:44 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Quat is dis da fucking groova??


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7935514 - 01/26/08 02:47 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

He came to trick or treat :hehehe:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7935543 - 01/26/08 02:54 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Ghoulish
I bet he goes for the treat...
Gets tricked
But the treat was in the plan
So he brings his sack??

Attack.
Fuck you demon.
Move.
Now stop, CALIBRATE and listen...
INVENTION.
SOMETHING.
TIGHTLY.
DAILY & NIGHTLY.
i don't know
Glow.

That was weird.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7935646 - 01/26/08 03:10 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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well?




Take four hits of acid and look again:lol:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Icelander]
    #7935717 - 01/26/08 03:23 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Ahhh...  Visuals.:confused::sad:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Icelander]
    #7935730 - 01/26/08 03:26 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I still think that if I were on 4 hits of acid I'd prefer what I soberly consider "good" psychedelic art to the shit. Sure, it might trip me out. Shit, a dust bunny under the couch would probably trip me out on 4 hits!


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7935755 - 01/26/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Out??
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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7935759 - 01/26/08 03:30 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)



I'd say this pic is "trippy" if not out and out psychedelic. As in, when I take acid, things look kind of like that. But then again, I take DMT and the back of my eyelids start to look like an alex grey painting.

I'd say psychedelics are capable of inspiring more than one internally coherent style of art.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Revelation]
    #7935830 - 01/26/08 03:42 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Cool pic.

But it's all about the swirly visuals brah. Fractions I think they call 'em.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Lion]
    #7936053 - 01/26/08 04:26 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Fractions!!:shocked:

Mean.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7936119 - 01/26/08 04:42 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Why does 'most' of everything suck?



This pic does not suck, imo.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Middleman]
    #7936131 - 01/26/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Did that mushroom really make me bigger??


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Middleman]
    #7936183 - 01/26/08 05:03 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

art sucks when it is too tight (mc escher is interlocked but not tight, the whole canvas or rectangular surface breathes)
lots of psychedelic art attempts to create chakkras or cartoons in a stiff and stilted way that usually is junky but still we get the idea the artist wanted to put out there.
namely,
the world can be very wild and wooly
or very elegant and gorgeous.
on the otherhand
all collage, and repeat motif printing can be taken as a form of multilayer or composite, and that is an essential aspect of psychedelic vision.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7936240 - 01/26/08 05:20 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)



I like.


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    #7937283 - 01/26/08 08:41 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)





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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7938029 - 01/26/08 10:49 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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The difference between experimental psychedelic folk and something like psytrance, in my opinion, is that the former is intellectual, complex and boundary pushing while the latter is silly, derivative and relies on cheap and insulting manipulations to create its "psychedelic" effect. When I listen to it, I feel insulted.




Then I don't think you have understood it. If you are in a mindstate where this would insult you, you are not tripped out enough. It is a language. It is communication tool. It is a shamanic technique. Drop more, try again. You can control it and mix it with your visions. Drop the preconceptions and be it.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7938197 - 01/26/08 11:13 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I wanna make a psychedelic band. But mine would be the shit. Because it would come from a real tripper. I wouldn't be trance it would be trip.

Like primus marries buckethead. Their kid 'bleeding through' banged the maid 'msi' and the result would be my band "kill your friends"


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: dorkus]
    #7938249 - 01/26/08 11:20 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I've been plenty high enough, trust me. It just doesn't do it for me. When I'm tripping, I'd rather explore things I actually like when I'm sober. Once when I was tripping I put on a Shalabi Effect album, and left the room for a few minutes. When I came back someone had changed it to the radio. When I asked what was up he said "Sorry dude, I'm not tripping, this shit does nothing for me." I found that really bizarre since it was the first time I'd even heard the album while tripping, and listened to it constantly while sober. My tastes don't change relative to the amount of drugs in my system.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Cubie]
    #7938274 - 01/26/08 11:24 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Cubie, I think pretty much all people in psychedelic bands are 'real trippers.' Most people who like any flavour of psych music enough to start a band also like psychedelic drugs. If you like metal, check out Mammatus. They are an awesome California stoner metal band, and pretty much the best thing to happen to the genre in a long time. The Coast Explodes is a killer album! That's what I wanna hear the next time I trip. :heartpump:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7938359 - 01/26/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

A lot of trippers are weird though.... I mean I guess to them im weird. But me and my friends are a special breed of trippers.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7938438 - 01/26/08 11:53 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Good to hear. Some great psychedelic folk on dosenation today btw. Check it out if you havent already.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: dorkus]
    #7939204 - 01/27/08 06:35 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Great thread, some good advices.

most psychedelic flick I ever saw was nightmare elm st. pt. 3 - but this is what I'm sayin when sober cause it feels like a trip to me, like you are screaming in your head in delight at all the beauty and harmony and crying like a baby at what a fool you've been, but you just smile, because

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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7939484 - 01/27/08 09:43 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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NiamhNyx said:The difference between experimental psychedelic folk and something like psytrance, in my opinion, is that the former is intellectual, complex and boundary pushing while the latter is silly, derivative and relies on cheap and insulting manipulations to create its "psychedelic" effect. When I listen to it, I feel insulted. If you wanna talk about something that's a "fucking joke," how about the assertion that psytrance can bring you to a place in consciousness anywhere near what a "Tibetan Holy Man" experiences?




no need to talk shit about a genre of music just because it doesn't resonate with you.  after going to a festival and spending most of my time in the psytrance stage, it got me hooked.  i couldn't even listen to electro before that festival.  but once your willing to accept everything, drop all conceptions of whether you like the music or not, and just DANCE, it is the greatest feeling ever. 

trance dancing can send you way beyond your body and mind, but you gotta lose all the baggage.  none of my friends can.  they always sit around and watch.  :thumbdown:  yeah they dance all out at punk and metal shows but i doubt it ever sends them out of their body.

but i would agree that a good majority of psytrance is shit.  space tribe, twisted system, dark nebula are +++.  especially when a sub the size of me is sending intense vibrations through my body :smile:


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    #7939678 - 01/27/08 10:53 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)







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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #7939709 - 01/27/08 11:06 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I think psytrance sucks too, but psyambient is a total different story.

I just want to point out that there exists electronic psychedelic music that does not suck.

Artists like Solar Fields, Sync24, Sundial, Elve, Ishq, Lunar Sound, and Syntetika are fantastic.

Here, give Carbon Based Liferforms a listen:

CBL - Hydroponic Gardens

CBL - A World of Sleepers


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Middleman]
    #7939758 - 01/27/08 11:24 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)
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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Middleman]
    #7939789 - 01/27/08 11:31 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

This is good music, man.

Here's something I just thought of..psychedelic art may suck to some, but...isn't it awesome that psychedelics have their own genre(s) of art? A lot of it to me is awe-inspiring (Luke Brown, Alex Grey, etc), and at least we can all agree that psychedelic art tends to get us thinking about different ways of perceiving reality. I mean, imagine if alcohol had its own art...it would be like, bad Jackson Pollock (who sucks anyway IMO), or American flags with monster trucks driving through them. What about cocaine art? Or opiates? Pffffffttttt.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: deranger]
    #7939898 - 01/27/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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no need to talk shit about a genre of music just because it doesn't resonate with you.




Fair enough. That was definitly a cranky reaction to the dude who said Six Organs was a "fucking joke." We all like what we like. Although if you've never looked into the genre I highly highly recommend Six Organs of Admittance, Shalabi Effect, Brothers of the Occult Sisterhood, Hush Arbors, Islaja, Kemialliset Ystavat and Terracid. Also, Jewelled Antler Collective is a group of musicians that are in a bunch of great psych bands. I prefer my psych with predominately acoustic/electric instruments and minimal on the electronic side of things. Does anyone else like this stuff?


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7939936 - 01/27/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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I prefer my psych with predominately acoustic/electric instruments and minimal on the electronic side of things. Does anyone else like this stuff?




I'm with you here, a little bit of everything is where it's at. I'll give those artists a listen.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7940702 - 01/27/08 02:56 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Anyone got some (computer) wallpaper sized Alex Grey? Post it up. It would be appreciated!


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7941085 - 01/27/08 04:05 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

My absolute favorite trip music of all time is the catalog of Richard D. James (aka Aphex Twin, and a shitload others).

I'm not sure if that legitimately is "psychedelic" music (apparently "acid house" doesn't imply any connection with acid at all), but I'll tell you it goes beautifully with a few hits of LSD.

I'll agree psytrance is goofy as hell, but I enjoy it from time to time. Shpongle included. It's kind of a guilty pleasure.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Revelation]
    #7941191 - 01/27/08 04:28 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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I'd say this pic is "trippy" if not out and out psychedelic. As in, when I take acid, things look kind of like that. But then again, I take DMT and the back of my eyelids start to look like an alex grey painting.

I'd say psychedelics are capable of inspiring more than one internally coherent style of art.




This is the shit I like. This reminds me of my salvia world.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7941623 - 01/27/08 05:52 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)



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My body I will give to pleasures,
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to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Lion]
    #7941739 - 01/27/08 06:11 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Way cool.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7941867 - 01/27/08 06:30 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

That last picture is awesome :heart:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
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    #7942084 - 01/27/08 07:05 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

That definitely best fits my salvia sub-genre too Ice.

I like the Mammatus Niamhnyx!


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Lion]
    #7942091 - 01/27/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Is that spunster at the Roo?


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    #7942145 - 01/27/08 07:20 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

He's famous, I found his pic on Google...I think that's the Roo lot though, yeah.


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My body I will give to pleasures,
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to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
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    #7942499 - 01/27/08 08:33 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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I like the Mammatus Niamhnyx!




Right on! I love introducing people to great bands! :thumbup: Spread the love. :yesnod:


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