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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #7937283 - 01/26/08 08:41 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)





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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7938029 - 01/26/08 10:49 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

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NiamhNyx said:
The difference between experimental psychedelic folk and something like psytrance, in my opinion, is that the former is intellectual, complex and boundary pushing while the latter is silly, derivative and relies on cheap and insulting manipulations to create its "psychedelic" effect. When I listen to it, I feel insulted.




Then I don't think you have understood it. If you are in a mindstate where this would insult you, you are not tripped out enough. It is a language. It is communication tool. It is a shamanic technique. Drop more, try again. You can control it and mix it with your visions. Drop the preconceptions and be it.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7938197 - 01/26/08 11:13 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I wanna make a psychedelic band. But mine would be the shit. Because it would come from a real tripper. I wouldn't be trance it would be trip.

Like primus marries buckethead. Their kid 'bleeding through' banged the maid 'msi' and the result would be my band "kill your friends"


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: dorkus]
    #7938249 - 01/26/08 11:20 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

I've been plenty high enough, trust me. It just doesn't do it for me. When I'm tripping, I'd rather explore things I actually like when I'm sober. Once when I was tripping I put on a Shalabi Effect album, and left the room for a few minutes. When I came back someone had changed it to the radio. When I asked what was up he said "Sorry dude, I'm not tripping, this shit does nothing for me." I found that really bizarre since it was the first time I'd even heard the album while tripping, and listened to it constantly while sober. My tastes don't change relative to the amount of drugs in my system.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Cubie]
    #7938274 - 01/26/08 11:24 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Cubie, I think pretty much all people in psychedelic bands are 'real trippers.' Most people who like any flavour of psych music enough to start a band also like psychedelic drugs. If you like metal, check out Mammatus. They are an awesome California stoner metal band, and pretty much the best thing to happen to the genre in a long time. The Coast Explodes is a killer album! That's what I wanna hear the next time I trip. :heartpump:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7938359 - 01/26/08 11:40 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

A lot of trippers are weird though.... I mean I guess to them im weird. But me and my friends are a special breed of trippers.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7938438 - 01/26/08 11:53 PM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Good to hear. Some great psychedelic folk on dosenation today btw. Check it out if you havent already.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: dorkus]
    #7939204 - 01/27/08 06:35 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Great thread, some good advices.

most psychedelic flick I ever saw was nightmare elm st. pt. 3 - but this is what I'm sayin when sober cause it feels like a trip to me, like you are screaming in your head in delight at all the beauty and harmony and crying like a baby at what a fool you've been, but you just smile, because

you're the dream warrior


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7939484 - 01/27/08 09:43 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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NiamhNyx said:The difference between experimental psychedelic folk and something like psytrance, in my opinion, is that the former is intellectual, complex and boundary pushing while the latter is silly, derivative and relies on cheap and insulting manipulations to create its "psychedelic" effect. When I listen to it, I feel insulted. If you wanna talk about something that's a "fucking joke," how about the assertion that psytrance can bring you to a place in consciousness anywhere near what a "Tibetan Holy Man" experiences?




no need to talk shit about a genre of music just because it doesn't resonate with you.  after going to a festival and spending most of my time in the psytrance stage, it got me hooked.  i couldn't even listen to electro before that festival.  but once your willing to accept everything, drop all conceptions of whether you like the music or not, and just DANCE, it is the greatest feeling ever. 

trance dancing can send you way beyond your body and mind, but you gotta lose all the baggage.  none of my friends can.  they always sit around and watch.  :thumbdown:  yeah they dance all out at punk and metal shows but i doubt it ever sends them out of their body.

but i would agree that a good majority of psytrance is shit.  space tribe, twisted system, dark nebula are +++.  especially when a sub the size of me is sending intense vibrations through my body :smile:


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: deranger]
    #7939678 - 01/27/08 10:53 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)







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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #7939709 - 01/27/08 11:06 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

I think psytrance sucks too, but psyambient is a total different story.

I just want to point out that there exists electronic psychedelic music that does not suck.

Artists like Solar Fields, Sync24, Sundial, Elve, Ishq, Lunar Sound, and Syntetika are fantastic.

Here, give Carbon Based Liferforms a listen:

CBL - Hydroponic Gardens

CBL - A World of Sleepers


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Middleman]
    #7939758 - 01/27/08 11:24 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)
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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Middleman]
    #7939789 - 01/27/08 11:31 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

This is good music, man.

Here's something I just thought of..psychedelic art may suck to some, but...isn't it awesome that psychedelics have their own genre(s) of art? A lot of it to me is awe-inspiring (Luke Brown, Alex Grey, etc), and at least we can all agree that psychedelic art tends to get us thinking about different ways of perceiving reality. I mean, imagine if alcohol had its own art...it would be like, bad Jackson Pollock (who sucks anyway IMO), or American flags with monster trucks driving through them. What about cocaine art? Or opiates? Pffffffttttt.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: deranger]
    #7939898 - 01/27/08 11:53 AM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:

no need to talk shit about a genre of music just because it doesn't resonate with you.




Fair enough. That was definitly a cranky reaction to the dude who said Six Organs was a "fucking joke." We all like what we like. Although if you've never looked into the genre I highly highly recommend Six Organs of Admittance, Shalabi Effect, Brothers of the Occult Sisterhood, Hush Arbors, Islaja, Kemialliset Ystavat and Terracid. Also, Jewelled Antler Collective is a group of musicians that are in a bunch of great psych bands. I prefer my psych with predominately acoustic/electric instruments and minimal on the electronic side of things. Does anyone else like this stuff?


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7939936 - 01/27/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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I prefer my psych with predominately acoustic/electric instruments and minimal on the electronic side of things. Does anyone else like this stuff?




I'm with you here, a little bit of everything is where it's at. I'll give those artists a listen.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7940702 - 01/27/08 02:56 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

Anyone got some (computer) wallpaper sized Alex Grey? Post it up. It would be appreciated!


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7941085 - 01/27/08 04:05 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

My absolute favorite trip music of all time is the catalog of Richard D. James (aka Aphex Twin, and a shitload others).

I'm not sure if that legitimately is "psychedelic" music (apparently "acid house" doesn't imply any connection with acid at all), but I'll tell you it goes beautifully with a few hits of LSD.

I'll agree psytrance is goofy as hell, but I enjoy it from time to time. Shpongle included. It's kind of a guilty pleasure.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Revelation]
    #7941191 - 01/27/08 04:28 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)

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I'd say this pic is "trippy" if not out and out psychedelic. As in, when I take acid, things look kind of like that. But then again, I take DMT and the back of my eyelids start to look like an alex grey painting.

I'd say psychedelics are capable of inspiring more than one internally coherent style of art.




This is the shit I like. This reminds me of my salvia world.


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7941623 - 01/27/08 05:52 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)



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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: why does most 'psychedelic' art suck so much? [Re: Lion]
    #7941628 - 01/27/08 05:52 PM (16 years, 5 days ago)



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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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