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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: deranger]
#7941953 - 01/27/08 06:44 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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I read something interesting in my Psychology book last night about our internal clocks that let us know when our bodies need to sleep. The text said that the average 'day', according to our internal clocks is actually 24 hours and eight minutes.
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: Droz]
#7942186 - 01/27/08 07:27 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Time=Movement
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: Ego Death]
#7942293 - 01/27/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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a concept, the measurement of movement
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: Droz]
#7942701 - 01/27/08 09:04 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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A weird property of time is that there is a minimum amount of time which makes sense. It's called the Planck Time. It's the time it takes light to travel one Planck Length which is also very short, many billions of times shorter than the diameter of a proton.
One Planck Time is on the order of 10^-44 seconds. That's really, really brief.
As far as we know, it is meaningless to consider any length of time shorter than that. Doing so gives rise to nonsensical results in all the equations that have time as a parameter. Things like square root of -1 (which is an imaginary number) unit mass.
This is a consequence of the quantization of nature. According to quantum mechanics (and this has been consistently verified by ~100 years of experiments and observations), there exists a minimum action in nature. Nothing smaller can ever happen.
This quantization of nature leads to the above result and also to some very deep philosophical implications. For example, it is meaningless to consider the interval of time (or anything earlier than) between the creation of the universe and the passing of the very first Planck Time. The earliest point in time in the existence of the universe that is accessible to science (so far as we can tell) is called the Planck Epoch, or one Planck Time 'after' the Bang.
Weird science!
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: Boots]
#7942886 - 01/27/08 09:38 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Boots said: I read something interesting in my Psychology book last night about our internal clocks that let us know when our bodies need to sleep. The text said that the average 'day', according to our internal clocks is actually 24 hours and eight minutes.
probably cause thats like earths rotations with the sun and we were born and completely accustomed to this..
to explain what time is, simply put:
Time is nothing more than a type of measurement for how long something takes to be completed (or not).
I, personally, don't feel time exists unless someone/thing tries to measure it.
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: igwna]
#7942894 - 01/27/08 09:40 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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another interesting fact is: outside of the suns gravitational pull, a second is a year or something like that.
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: igwna]
#7943002 - 01/27/08 09:56 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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I think time is just energy. If there was no energy being expended, then what would let you know that time passed? If everything stood still, nothing moved, there was no light from the sun, then there would be no time because there would be nothing happening to signify that time had passed. For that to happen there would have to be complete nothingness though, because even matter is made of energy.
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: tthom580]
#7943020 - 01/27/08 09:58 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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thats a really interesting though.
what keeps everything from completely standing still?
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: igwna]
#7943100 - 01/27/08 10:18 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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or a better question..
what is the OPPOSITE of time?
chaos?
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Chaos is kind of broad. Not sure what you mean. I think the opposite of time is nothingness. A void where there's no energy, no matter, nothing that time is made up of and nothing to manifest itself in.
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: tthom580]
#7943412 - 01/27/08 11:53 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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the opposite of time would, seemingly enough be like everything is frozen all the time.
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: igwna]
#7943413 - 01/27/08 11:53 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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another interesting fact is: outside of the suns gravitational pull, a second is a year or something like that.
Eh? This is not true. Who told you that? And can I have some of whatever you're smoking?
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: Diploid]
#7943426 - 01/27/08 11:58 PM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Diploid said: another interesting fact is: outside of the suns gravitational pull, a second is a year or something like that.
Eh? This is not true. Who told you that? And can I have some of whatever you're smoking?
its not true? i was fairly certain it was. mis-information i guess.
i accidently bought camel turkihs golds smooth and mellow so they suck, i dont think you want any. but i;ll share if you want.. i'm waiting a week to buy a new pack to justify the wasted 5.35$
sorry for the mis-info everyone.. i would look into this though because i thought i read it somewhere.
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: igwna]
#7943627 - 01/28/08 12:48 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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I think of time as a dimension of space. A fundamental part of the way space functions. If you think of space as a cube it has the three dimensions we see everyday: height, width and depth. Add to this another dimension which is time, which kind of turns space into a forward moving slide show. One thing about time is that you can see that it moves forwards not backwards. For example, you see a glass fall off a table and watch it break. But you will never see a glass hit the floor and break, then miraculously come back together and fly back up onto the table. People are born, age and then die. You do not see them die, become young, then get born. So in this way time is more than just a measurement of distance but also a part of the way events within space function.
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: igwna]
#7943643 - 01/28/08 12:50 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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no one responded to my summation so I decided to post it again. It seems the discussion has drifted a bit. I would like to know if anyone could rebut my response to the original question.
Time is a signifier for the measurement of the awareness of change in any events. So that perceived events can be distinguished by a mutual unit of comparison. Without which there is no determinability. The perception of progression implies linearity, but this is an incorrect assumption. Event A seems to lead to event B which leads to C etcetera, but ultimately all events are interdeterminable, and so are not actually separate events. The temporality of our Being is the reason for the false perception. Because our awareness is by design incapable of perceiving of all events at once. This false perception is why a mutual unit of comparison is needed, because determinability is required for comparison or discussion for that matter
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: Fugai]
#7943662 - 01/28/08 12:58 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Thats an interesting idea fugai, if we had different perception we could see the progression of events in a different form, possibly not as progression at all but as one giant event. So you mean that since the size of the gap between each event is impossible to calculate it is really just one big event not many separate linear events?
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drkrobotnik said: or a better question..
what is the OPPOSITE of time?
chaos?
a great question
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Re: What exactly is TIME? [Re: igwna]
#7943862 - 01/28/08 02:41 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Boots said: I read something interesting in my Psychology book last night about our internal clocks that let us know when our bodies need to sleep. The text said that the average 'day', according to our internal clocks is actually 24 hours and eight minutes.
probably cause thats like earths rotations with the sun and we were born and completely accustomed to this..
As far as I can recall, the length of a day is twenty-three hours and fifty-four minutes long, or perhaps twenty-three hours and fifty-six minutes long. This is, of course, why February has an extra day every four years, instead of its missing a day or so, which would be the case if what you say is true.
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skcorrelyt said:
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Boots said: I read something interesting in my Psychology book last night about our internal clocks that let us know when our bodies need to sleep. The text said that the average 'day', according to our internal clocks is actually 24 hours and eight minutes.
probably cause thats like earths rotations with the sun and we were born and completely accustomed to this..
As far as I can recall, the length of a day is twenty-three hours and fifty-four minutes long, or perhaps twenty-three hours and fifty-six minutes long. This is, of course, why February has an extra day every four years, instead of its missing a day or so, which would be the case if what you say is true.
i didn't think he was talking exacts. so i figured he meant the exact time of a day on earth, which would make a lot more sense to me seeing as what i said (which is logical) would better fit. i thought everyone would get the picture and not need to take it so literally.
but you know what they say about assumptions...
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