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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: flavoraid]
    #7952258 - 01/29/08 07:44 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

that totally just turned me off... no reishis for me


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: hazey]
    #7952527 - 01/29/08 08:17 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

sorry but seriously.

it's not price effective in terms of the medicinals you put into your body.

a decent sized fruitbody takes 6 months to grow.

they cost money to grow.

pills are affordable, highly effective and convient however growing your own reishi has it's educational aspects and it's like "natural" trendiness - but again RR said reishi are easier to grow than cubes which I think are pretty easy to grow. (i've never actually grown reishi I want to do a bunch just so I have done so, to have reishi cultures in my collection, to supply friends with reishi at or near my cost to produce, to test reishi alcohol tinctures vs store bought pills) Almost all asian herbals taste awful unless they are powdered tinctures that you eat in capsuled form or if you mask the taste very well.


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: hazey]
    #7952651 - 01/29/08 08:33 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

eh it takes a little bit longer to fruit, so just make a few more bags to make up for the loss time.  I can't remember exactly how long it takes to grow them, but 4-6 months seems longer than I remember.

there fun to grow so i hate it whenever i see anyone turned off from edibles, you should dip your hand in them all.

over a dollar a pill seems expensive to me, i can make about 50 sawdust bags for about $3 :lol: obviously im not counting the bags(you can reuse them) or the electric

then i can grind up all the conks or antlers i get and put them in capsules myself.  grinder = $10 capsule machine = $20

once you have a nice setup, its very easy.  and when your also growing shiitake or w/e along with them...the time just does not matter.

I am curious now however, the medicinal difference between wild reishi and homegrown.


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7953461 - 01/29/08 10:33 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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a decent sized fruitbody takes 6 months to grow.




More like six weeks. Six to eight. Reishi is some of the fastest growing mycelium I've ever worked with.
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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7954211 - 01/30/08 01:04 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

seriously?

I was quoting John from AM lol, maybe he mixed up weeks with months in his email. that doesn't sound right though because he said 90-120 days but 6months is better 6months = 180 days which would make sense.

I'd hate to argue with RR though, he's the heavy weight around these parts.


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: flavoraid]
    #7954404 - 01/30/08 02:49 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

oh shit a showdown


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: hazey]
    #7954471 - 01/30/08 04:33 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

I quote people. I would never argue with Rogerrabbit on anything on the subject of mushrooms Lol. I don't think he knows how to make a mistake in terms of mushrooms. However John @ AM could be meaning 6months would be nice to get a LARGE fruitbody. Who knows it's like saying you should eat subway when someone else will say subway isn't healthy your taking in too much carbs - only arguement I could think of that wasn't retarded but opinionated. (it's like 5:30am can't sleep... or think)

However I think both RR and John are correct as I think the 90-120days or preferably 6months (180days) would be for large fruitbody size. Desired fruitbody size is highly opinionated. I'm sure both of them are well versed in the mycelium world.

I asked a few knowledgeable people on the subject as reishi for a medicinal supplement (pills vs tea/tincture) and appearently it's true that taking the high grade reishi pills at around a buck a day is beyond what anyone could reasonably consume in tea/tinctures in terms of medicinal content. Maybe I'm wrong I seem to be wrong to some extent on about everything I post :laugh:


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imachavel, Man you really need to do some reading, the amount of bullshit you put into almost every single one of your posts is absolutely astounding.


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: flavoraid]
    #7954745 - 01/30/08 08:21 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

John's a good friend of mine and we've worked together on a few projects, including the cordyceps that is ongoing. In fact, he took several copies of my DVD to Africa a few months ago to use in a University mycology course he was teaching. He knows his shit. We've traded cultures back and forth, and a lot of the edible and medicinal mushrooms I grow are from his cultures. Perhaps he was speaking of time from spores, but even then, six months seems a bit long.

I actually have a substrate block of reishi forming conks right now as I type. I just checked the date on the substrate bag and it was inoculated on Jan 13. The rye grains prior to inoculation took a week to fully colonize from an agar wedge. The master slant was taken out of the refrigerator to inoculate the petri dish on Dec 31, so in another week when it's done, there will be a total of 5 weeks in this project. Species is Ganoderma oregonese, which is somewhat faster and much larger than the G lucidum from the orient.

It's said that the highest concentrations of medicine in Ganoderma is contained in the spores themselves.
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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7955160 - 01/30/08 11:25 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

yes, he did say expect 6months to harvest.

soo, any favorite substrain of reishi from AM?

Can you also give us any insight on reishi pills vs "natural" teas/tinctures?


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: flavoraid]
    #7958667 - 01/30/08 11:56 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

being the generous and curious shroomerite I am.

I looked into the amount of reishi that goes into each pill the meikei reishi standard is 12 fruit bodies in 1 pill there are 12 large fruit bodies and the meikei pro is 30 fruit bodies in 1 pill.

yeah. I'm convinced :smile:


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imachavel, Man you really need to do some reading, the amount of bullshit you put into almost every single one of your posts is absolutely astounding.


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: flavoraid]
    #7958826 - 01/31/08 12:42 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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I looked into the amount of reishi that goes into each pill the meikei reishi standard is 12 fruit bodies in 1 pill there are 12 large fruit bodies and the meikei pro is 30 fruit bodies in 1 pill.






that must be a pretty big pill...


Edited by makaveli8x8 (01/31/08 12:46 AM)


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7959093 - 01/31/08 03:39 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

I should rephrase that to it takes 12 large fruit bodies to produce one pill. Or one pill would have the medicinal content of 12 large fruit bodies.


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    #7962067 - 01/31/08 08:49 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: Gr33nday43]
    #7962229 - 01/31/08 09:29 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: Gr33nday43]
    #7962470 - 01/31/08 10:12 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

flavoraid said 12 fruit bodys, but i don't see how its possible to fit them all into a tiny pill, i think he's saying the spores from 12 fruit bodys.

but yah just grow some conks and collect the spores and make pills out of them. This way you can make your own high grade pills.

after collecting your spores on wax paper you can then grind your conks (they will have some spores in them)


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #7962734 - 01/31/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Uh

the medicinals per each pill are extracted from 12 fruit bodies.


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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19126823 - 11/12/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Use sawdust/woodchip bags, not logs, and NEVER bring soil from outdoors inside.

For shiitake, the 75 strain from AM is my favorite, and I have at least fifteen to twenty shiitake strains.  The 75 will grow caps as large and meaty as portabellos, and ten times tastier.  Shiitake is one of the best medicinals out there and it's an edible, which reishi is not.  In addition, reishi tea will gag a maggot unless you find a way to cover the horribly bitter taste with lemon, honey, etc.

When mrs rabbit was diagnosed with cancer a few years ago, I switched all my growing and study to medicinals.  When she was going through chemo, I fed her shiitake, cordyceps, A blazaii, and chagga every day.  She drank Reishi tea from both wild collected Ganoderma oregonese and Ganoderma tsugae that grow in our area, plus Ganoderma lucidum that I grew in my mini greenhouse.  Long story short, she went through 9 months of chemotherapy and kept 90% of her hair, while actually gaining weight during that time. 

Of course, I also dragged her sometimes kicking and screaming, but dragged her nonetheless over at least 30 miles of mountain backpacking trails per week, so the exercise helped too.  She's still cancer free.
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Re: Growing Reishi Mushrooms Using Roger Rabbit's Method. [Re: flavoraid]
    #19308460 - 12/21/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I should rephrase that to it takes 12 large fruit bodies to produce one pill. Or one pill would have the medicinal content of 12 large fruit bodies.




Its common knowledge now(2013), that reishi and chaga "pills" are not an effective method of ingesting either medicinal fungi. They are comprised of lignens and cellulose and the medicinal compounds are contained within those cell walls. As humans, we can not break down lignens or cellulose,so the pill literally passes through the body, with almost no effect. On top of which, it would be simply impossible to fit 12 fruiting bodies worth of reishi into one pill and is not the method used. The only way pills could be effective at releasing the medicinal components into the human body, would be if they were liquid caps containing the already extracted triterpenes and ganodermic acids.
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