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nolongerinuse


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Vote Ron Paul.
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Ron Paul, Ron Paul he's our man, if he can't do it- nobody can!
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but somebody will...
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sorry - he's for too many things Im against.
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Limited FEderal Government, more power to the States- is what is needed.
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new2grow said: Limited FEderal Government, more power to the States- is what is needed.
exactly =)
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honestly I'm not even going to vote.. I don't really care who wins, I was going to vote for ron paul but I decided not to because it's too much work
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well I care and I vote.
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nolongerinuse


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What's Ron for that you are against?
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new2grow said: Ron Paul, Ron Paul he's our man, if he can't do it- nobody can!
Wrong... cause he can't win. And someone else will.
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As long as Bush is gone, it's all good.
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well, from all that shit thats flying around - there were somethings I saw/heard that didnt sit well with me.
Abortion - making it a State issue - which will inevitable allow a lot of states to ban abortion - forcing women who cant drive out of state to carry an unwanted baby to term.
Immigration - If im correct - hes for building a wall between us and Mexico. That is just narrow minded, and does not actually address why we "need" a wall.
I am happy he is not against gay marriage - but I am not comfortable that he gets supprt from KKK orgs - i also think it was weak to deny the writings he did years ago that were essentially racist.
thats all that jumps to mind right now.
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holy shit! Ron Paul has kk supporters? thats kinda scary... don't really think i want a president thats affiliated with those kinds of groups.
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you cant pick who supports you - but it begs the question - why do they support him.
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WEll, one's comment on Paul being incapable of winning is naive* to this.
A woman who lives in a state where it was declared illegal to have an abortion, should still be able to leave that state easily. Or should be able to move easily after that law was declared at its start.
A wall does seem narrow minded, but the wall is just the beginning. After a slow down in the now, illegal immigration, a rebuilding or something could take place in mexico, then spread into other south american countires too.
Ron Paul seems to be running a poor campaign, so taking money from racist groups doesn't seem as bad- because he needs the money. I believe We have all said some dumb things in the past, i know i said some very dumb things yesterday- but, the world is turning, We should be wanting some drastic change, a revolution.
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Ron Paul seems to be running a poor campaign, so taking money from racist groups doesn't seem as bad- because he needs the money. I believe We have all said some dumb things in the past, i know i said some very dumb things yesterday- but, the world is turning, We should be wanting some drastic change, a revolution.
well on this we agree. and, BTW out of al the crazy Republicans, RP is the closest to being on the right road - but again, some key issues are not quite there for me.
That being said - Dennis Kusinich wanted 'real change' and thats why he can never be elected.
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This is more than change, a revolution.
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yeah, thats waht we need. Viva La Revolucion!
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americans are spelling doom for their country if they don't vote for ron paul, just sayin'
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new2grow said: Ron Paul, Ron Paul he's our man, if he can't do it- nobody can!
Wrong... cause he can't win. And someone else will.
Sad, but likely true.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul. [Re: Blend]
#7934416 - 01/26/08 11:08 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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Fun and games will follow, now is the time for test and discussion.
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EternalCowabunga said: americans are spelling doom for their country if they don't vote for ron paul, just sayin'
thats a matter of opinion - and not my opinion.
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that's true. i do worry about someone like clinton or mccain being elected though. that would be bad for the world.
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So you rather force an entire local population that share the consensus that abortion is murder to conform to your beliefs rather than have a woman who consciously made the decision to have sex while within a state that does not allow abortion to have to take a bus out of state.
Personally I think abortion is abhorrent but it should be legal. However it is an issue that you will never be able to convince the two opposite sides to agree on. That's why it would be best in my opinion that government reflect the majority of those on the local level.
Stossel:"You want a 700-mile fence between our border and Mexico?"
Ron Paul: "Not really. There was an immigration bill that had a fence (requirement) in it, but it was to attack amnesty. I don't like amnesty. So I voted for that bill, but I didn't like the fence. I don't think the fence can solve a problem. I find it rather offensive."
He has continually said that illegal immigrants are the scapegoats but it is the subsidies and government hand outs that cause the problem.
You have said that your not comfortable that he gets support from KKK organisations... That is an ad hominem / formal falacy argument.
Person A makes claim X There is something objectionable about Person A Therefore claim X is false
That's like saying: Hitler was for abortion for non-Aryan women, eugenics, euthanasia Hitler was a sick murdering despot. Therefore abortion, eugenics, euthanasia is wrong.
You can't control what other people do that might agree with certain aspects of what you believe.
If you had ever actually heard Ron Paul or seen video of him talk like someone did in those letters that would be one thing, but the fact is no one has ever heard him talk like that. Even the president of the local NAACP in Austin, TX said he met Ron Paul 20 years ago and knew he was not a racist. How easy would it be for someone to write something you disagree with in your name in this day in age?
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"That being said - Dennis Kusinich wanted 'real change' and thats why he can never be elected. "
Suppose Ron Paul is a racist. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are friends. Thus Dennis Kucinich is a racist.
See?
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The eyes will get to you eventually.
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EternalCowabunga said: that's true. i do worry about someone like clinton or mccain being elected though. that would be bad for the world.
No it won't. The people you mention are corrupt greedy hypocrites. The best kind of politician IMO. The ones who really fuck things up for the world are the ones with a mission to reform it.
Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot all wanted to make this world a better place.
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easy now. RP is wrong for many reasons to me(And many others) - no matter how frothy you get, im coming around to your POV. so, wipe your mouth, and be quiet.
BTW- if you don't have ovaries - i really dont care what your opinion is on womens issues.
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Re: Vote Ron Paul. [Re: koppie]
#7934485 - 01/26/08 11:20 AM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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That is a fair comparison.
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While I agree with the opinion that men shouldn't have as much a say in the issue of abortion, I think there are other important things to be considered when deciding on a presidential candidate.
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DieSpectra said: "That being said - Dennis Kusinich wanted 'real change' and thats why he can never be elected. "
Suppose Ron Paul is a racist. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are friends. Thus Dennis Kucinich is a racist.
See?
DK IS not receiving money from the KKK, 'k?
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Caribou_Lou said: honestly I'm not even going to vote.. I don't really care who wins, I was going to vote for ron paul but I decided not to because it's too much work
Haven't read the rest of the thread yet... but... this is what's wrong with America, right here.
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agreed.
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absolutely - the original point was why I didn't like RP- his abortion views are just 1 of several issues i disagree with. and his party affiliation.
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I honestly don't even see how Ron Paul is a republican, to be honest.
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to make sure he has a shot at winning. when was the last Libertarian or Green voted into office?
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A good point, but still, how can you be against the Federal Reserve and claim republican??
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Fuck party affiliation! That's another huge problem... we're essentially a bipartisan mess. Why can't people realize it's okay to think outside of the box? Oh... I remember now... because humans are narrow-minded and very few really want change (something RP represents for us).
The above point about Hitler and others wanting a better world...
Stagnancy is our worst enemy... and when you stagnate on a railroad track waiting for the inevitable train to hit you, that's when you need to get smart and fucking move.
Just my $0.02.
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BurningBeard said: Fuck party affiliation! That's another huge problem... we're essentially a bipartisan mess. Why can't people realize it's okay to think outside of the box? Oh... I remember now... because humans are narrow-minded and very few really want change (something RP represents for us).
The above point about Hitler and others wanting a better world...
Stagnancy is our worst enemy... and when you stagnate on a railroad track waiting for the inevitable train to hit you, that's when you need to get smart and fucking move.
Just my $0.02.
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i respect that opinion. at least it sounds passionate. i am a libersocialdemo-voter - I am a registered democrat, cause that other one is not a choice
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Caribou_Lou said: honestly I'm not even going to vote.. I don't really care who wins, I was going to vote for ron paul but I decided not to because it's too much work
Haven't read the rest of the thread yet... but... this is what's wrong with America, right here.
we see eye to eye on this cant we all just get along -
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I just think there's more to your stance than a party. Unfortunately humans like to categorize and neatly package everything... (something that works to the detriment of music as well) It really bugs me.
Let me give you my major reason for supporting RP.
I'm partially blind. As most of you probably know, SSI provides government aid to people in my predicament. Now, that's nice and all, but it engenders apathy in the visually impaired. They don't want to work. They don't want to do anything. People with enormous potential squander it daily on monthly checks.
RP wants to stop this.
Oh, and attempting to stem the inflation problem is also a good thing.
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I have faith that america will see where the rest of the world is turning towards- so they don't miss it.
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disagreed
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Re: Vote Ron Paul. [Re: Blend]
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If it doesn't... I'm moving to merry old England!
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well, my mom is permanently disabled, so i know intimately what the System is like, and how ppl abuse it, and how ppl how actually need help are lumped into this group, and are responsible for clawing out of it.
Kusinich had a lot more going for him, in respect to peoples civil rights, dignities. he was open minded (IMO) and I got riled up listening to him speak. RP did not do that to me, or Huckabee, or Dodd, Biden,Clinton. Obama sounded good, but hes got a bad habit of playing neutral - and not voting, but just 'voting present' - i don't like wafflers.
I was very mad at Al Gore for not fighting hard enough when he was, to me, robbed of his victory- but now i see his point. he went to work for the greater good, and was rewarded.
- I wish DK would rise higher in Washington, and affect some real change. - I think he is too 'real' to ever be president - his 'tv image' is all wrong for what shallow American taste have come to accept as palatable.
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new2grow said: I have faith that america will see where the rest of the world is turning towards- so they don't miss it.
i did once. my faith has been shaken, in almost every respect.
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he was open minded (IMO) and I got riled up listening to him speak. RP did not do that to me, or Huckabee, or Dodd, Biden,Clinton. Obama sounded good, but hes got a bad habit of playing neutral - and not voting, but just 'voting present' - i don't like wafflers.
So, how does it feel to spout Hillary propoganda? I'm sure she's appreciative. Hell, she didn't even have to pay you to like she does her attack dogs.
Take a look at what a "Present" vote in the IL Senate means, and why people make them.
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he was open minded (IMO) and I got riled up listening to him speak. RP did not do that to me, or Huckabee, or Dodd, Biden,Clinton. Obama sounded good, but hes got a bad habit of playing neutral - and not voting, but just 'voting present' - i don't like wafflers.
So, how does it feel to spout Hillary propoganda? I'm sure she's appreciative. Hell, she didn't even have to pay you to like she does her attack dogs.
Take a look at what a "Present" vote in the IL Senate means, and why people make them.
reading comprehension is vital in a purely text chat.
although - i am on the fence about the present vs yea/nay - i know how sticky all that shit can be. but your delivery 'sucks the geh', as the kids say.
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Better find your faith again my friend, or everybody everywhere looses.
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