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Chemy
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: Chemy]
#7933211 - 01/26/08 01:11 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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well how much rue did u dose do only about 3grams
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: Coaster]
#7933233 - 01/26/08 01:16 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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Please use B. caapi...
It is soooo much better than rue...
It contains more THH.
Please use B. caapi...
It is soooo much better than rue...
It contains more THH.
Do some research if you don't know what that is...
THH is what you want...not the other two chemical...
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Kind of like in Family Guy where the family drank spirit of epicac, it was just like that.
Try some good ole "Cielo" B. caapi!
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Re: Ayahuasca question *DELETED* [Re: FarFromHere]
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: Chemy]
#7933266 - 01/26/08 01:21 AM (16 years, 7 days ago) |
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I actually think you should grow your own...
If you like your entheogens to be really effective and true to form.
Fresh Caapi is supposed to be really nice.
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sigh the correct dose for using it with a brew is only like .5-1.5g thats all 3 at max
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I have about a 100-150gr of Chacruna and 100-150gr of Caapi. I have enough for one dose ?
How do you prepare yours ?
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: TheLunatic]
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Lunatic awesome avatar I'm wearing a t-shirt with that exact design on it right now
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: g00ru]
#7935146 - 01/26/08 01:34 PM (16 years, 6 days ago) |
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guruu said: Lunatic awesome avatar I'm wearing a t-shirt with that exact design on it right now
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Re: Ayahuasca question *DELETED* [Re: TheLunatic]
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: Chemy]
#7943726 - 01/28/08 01:20 AM (16 years, 5 days ago) |
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Ayahuasca is supposed to be much less scary than 'shrooms.
I thought it was more clear....while 'shrooms can be confusing and scary.
Aya' was calm and collective.
What's going into your brew?
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Re: Ayahuasca question *DELETED* [Re: FarFromHere]
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: Chemy]
#7945085 - 01/28/08 12:18 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Should I really help you?
I thought you hated me?
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My experience with shrooms is, having an extreme feeling of dread and something seriously bad is going to happen, going out and everybodies face appears to be the same, can't tell anybody apart, hearing everybody speak in a syllabilic language that I can't understand.
Aya' is the complete oppisite.
It's like you have a completely clear mind, but your trippin' balls.
There is no dread. No sorrow. Just beautiful visions...
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: Chemy]
#7946165 - 01/28/08 04:48 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Rue is good medicine too, if prepared right.
Toast the seeds on a frying pan at low heat til smoke starts, then remove. Grind and sift through a fine screen like a tea ball.
Dose this fine powder out at about a gram each.
Use alone or combine with other plants and fungi.
Yes caapi appears to be superior, but is lacking something rue has. Same of rue to caapi.
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And what does rue have over caapi?
Look... Rue isn't bad...
It's cheap, but....if you want to do it right...
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Re: Ayahuasca question *DELETED* [Re: FarFromHere]
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: Chemy]
#7946518 - 01/28/08 05:54 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Same here
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FarFromHere said: And what does rue have over caapi?
Look... Rue isn't bad...
It's cheap, but....if you want to do it right...
here we go again. More bullshit from this guy^^^^^ Makes too many threads, says dumb shit all the time. ETC ETC.... Whatever, I dont care. ----------------------------------------------------------------
I read this thread so far and it bothered me. Im not going to say why entirely.
Ayahuasca is as strong as you make it.
It is not just some relaxing version of the more often used psychedelics.
It can kick your ass into unwanted territory just like all the rest. Anyone who wants to over simplify this complex brew and its effects, is yes, a moron.
If you have heard it is so damn intense then why would you believe anyone who tells you its more chilled out than mushrooms? Thats a fucking paradox. It can be that intense, and if you ever take a large dose of a brew you have concocted over time..... A brew you really like and made for yourself in mind, it can scare the shit out of you which also is not always a bad thing in the end.
2-2.5 grams is what it takes to achieve full mao-inhibition, not .5-1.5 grams. The original ayahuasca was just the vine as most of you probably know. It takes alot of vine to reach the fuggin cosmos, and it takes alot of rue to do the same. At such doses, both make you puke.
Rue doesnt make all people puke, and I mean, even when it is simply chewed well.
Rue becomes psychedelic on higher doses, exactly like the vine. there is no limit on dose unless you get too crazy with it.
rue is a fine teacher, and I dont put it "below" caapi or any other hallucinogen for that matter.
SOOOO many people dont understand how ethnocentric it is to say one plant is better than the other. Rue has been used just as caapi has been used(for perhapse an even longer period of time), though this fact is not as explored and talked about.
Just imagine. Someone long ago mixed the burning bush with rue, yet these days everyone slams rue like its a waste of time when compared to caapi.
So you see what im saying?
I just saw so much questionable info in this thread that I had to say something.
Rue and caapi are both amazing and only slightly different aside from the purge.
Dont let anyone tell you which way is the right way.
If I can be honest, I think its best to create your own brew over time. that is, if you have the time and see the value in becoming good at making your own different brews that are made different for certain reasons.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: yageman]
#7947565 - 01/28/08 08:34 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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Rue has been used just as caapi has been used(for perhapse an even longer period of time), though this fact is not as explored and talked about.
Please tell me about the historical use of rue!!!
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Rue and caapi are both amazing and only slightly different aside from the purge
I think the effects are different too.
Rue has almost no THH. That is the most important chemical in B. caapi.
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Why dont you look it up yourself dude. I know you wont because you like to kiss the caapi's cosmic ass.
It has had a wide variety of uses, and has for a very long time.
Please tell me what makes that chemical so special. Both rue and caapi are great maois for ayahuasca. One is just far more potent(rue).
Will you please tell me what the added effect is?
It seems to me that because you, like myself have read about the chemical differences have assumed that the chemical that rue lacks is the reason for the supposed fact that it is inferior to caapi.
Anything to back that up?
Are you saying that caapi is more visionary than rue because of this chemical?
Is there anything that makes you believe this that is based on fact?
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: Chemy]
#7948006 - 01/28/08 09:48 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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i like,,
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hmm one way to put it is that aya has a respectful spirit and really wants you to learnd something and will do what it has to do to make sure you learn wether that being light trip or horrific one
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: thedudenj]
#7948253 - 01/28/08 10:43 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I dont trust you.
You have two names. One of you cant spell, and both of you are pretty much insane or just fake insane.
My last trip possibly ever was with rue and viridis. I knew it was going to be my last trip, so I treated it as such.
It was the most incredible trip ever. I guess I ended on a high note although it was difficult to say the least.
Thanks to rue. I could have used caapi, but I have my own method of using rue, so I "ate" a massive amount of maois and "plenty" of viridis.
"It"(rue) made sure that my experience was as meaningful as I was capable of.
I dont understand why rue has a "less respectful spirit". Thats because its spirit belongs to everyone, and it is in no way disrespectful to the human condition although it may be very pure and seemingly threatening to some people.
Rue wants nothing. Its a plant. Our consciousness brings its death into consciousness, and it teaches when we steal its life, just like caapi.
Caapi wants nothing. Aside from reproducing, caapi's only wish is to enter ones own consciousness.
It didnt ask for this outlet. God made that outlet.
Plants are one hell of a thing arent they................lol.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: yageman]
#7948267 - 01/28/08 10:46 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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yeah plants rock the lama's socks
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: thedudenj]
#7948331 - 01/28/08 11:00 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I know you wont because you like to kiss the caapi's cosmic ass.

Yageman I trust you judgement of Ayahuasca plants more than my own...
I know rue is vaubable.
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I dont understand why rue has a "less respectful spirit".
I certainly don't think that...
I would like to know of it's historical uses tho....
Can anybody give me any info on this???
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id just assume that the history of rue use is easy to find.
However, you talk about that 3rd chemical in caapi like you know what you are talking about.
Thats what I want to know. Its that special i guess, because you say it is.
Shouldnt you just be able to say why? Like.......1-2-3, easy as that.
I mean, that chemical is your best friend and all.
No, just kidding.
I just want to see some info.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: yageman]
#7948446 - 01/28/08 11:22 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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However, you talk about that 3rd chemical in caapi like you know what you are talking about.
Thats what I want to know.
Its that special i guess, because you say it is.
Shouldnt you just be able to say why? Like.......1-2-3, easy as that.
I mean, that chemical is your best friend and all.
No, just kidding.
I just want to see some info.
Ok calm down....
I'll try to find a link.
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The beta-carbolines (harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine) are obtained from the ayahuasca vine (Banisteriopsis caapi). Harmine and harmaline are visionary at near toxic levels, but at modest dosage typically produce mainly tranquility and purgation.
Tetrahydroharmine is present in significant levels in ayahuasca. It may be responsible for some of its more profound effects compared to analogue plants such as Syrian rue (Peganum harmala).
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Principal active biochemicals: the ß-carboline alkaloids harmine, harmaline, tetrahydroharmine, harmol, harmic acid, methylester harmic amide, acetyl norharmine, harmine N-oxide, harmalinic acid and ketotetra-hydronorharmine are present in the bark, stems, and trunk of B. caapi, B. inebrians, and other species of Banisteriopsis. Tetrahydroharmine occurs in greater concentration in B. caapi than in other plants bearing harmala alkaloids such as Peganum harmala (Syrian rue) and certain species of Passiflora sp. (passionflower). This may account for the more profound and enduring therapeutic effects produced by genuine ayahuasca compared to "analogue" preparations.
PM me for a link to the site that I got that from.
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Ive tried P. Harmala and B. Caapi with MHRB in previous brews, and they were noticeably different, for obvious chemical reasons Id assume. But I would not consider one superior to the other; each has its own unique way of taking you across the abyss. Many claim that caapi is a patient guide, and that rue acts like a harsh teacher, but I believe that this occurs as a result of the expectations one has developed after hearing this myth. And when it comes to the purge, caapi has me bent over heaving very harshly within minutes, while rue has never given me any nausea at all.
My advice would be to just pick one and go for it. I dont believe in tradition, so It really doesnt make a difference which maoi you use, after all it is about the DMT, despite what traditionalists say.
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The chemicals may not even be the huge difference between them.
They are very different plants from very different parts of the world.
This thread has diverted a lot from helping chemy deal with the rue nausea. I would suggest taking experimental amounts of rue prepared in different ways by itself, with no admixture. This also helps one get used to syrian rue.
Also, the toasting method I mentioned removes a great deal of the foul, sickening smell of the seeds, and doesn't affect the potency at all. This might help with the nausea as well.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: yageman]
#7949383 - 01/29/08 07:43 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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yageman said: Why dont you look it up yourself dude. I know you wont because you like to kiss the caapi's cosmic ass.
One of my favorite Yageman quotes yet... awesome
I have noticed a distinct difference between the two...
I prefer caapi due to the more introspective healing, spiritual, and astral nature of the experience that, for me, seems to be slightly diminished by Rue.
Rue is great if your lookin for a trip... It can be healing, spiritual, and astral but can also be VERY visual with the least nausea. 2-2.5g rue taken right is a walk in the park on your body.
30-60g caapi? 
Donno why I like it so much. must be somethin about the excessive tannins leeching out ungodly amounts of vial substances from an almost endless source of fluid + matter in my body.
It's only us hardasses that take the caapi, don't join the club unless you can dig
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: SDP]
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after all it is about the DMT, despite what traditionalists say.
That's bullshit...
The smoked DMT experience is completely different from an Ayahuasca trip.
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after all it is about the DMT, despite what traditionalists say.
That's bullshit...
The smoked DMT experience is completely different from an Ayahuasca trip.
Even the "orally active DMT" trips are qualitatively different then a traditional Aya brew with caapi. Neither, though, is superior.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: SDP]
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Right. I didn't say one was better than the other...
But the are def. different.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: SDP]
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Right. I didn't say one was better than the other...
But they are def. different.
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after all it is about the DMT, despite what traditionalists say.
That's bullshit...
The smoked DMT experience is completely different from an Ayahuasca trip.
Well, of course DMT alone is different from ayahuasca. Ayahuaca is a MIXTURE of substances, so naturally, no shit. What Im saying is that the DMT is what gives you access to these other realms, despite which maoi you decide to use. Ive tried both, and the only difference was that rue was more visual and less painful on the stomach.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: satyr]
#7951635 - 01/29/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Take a lot of rue by itself and come back with the assertion that dmt is the 'main' component in ayahuasca brews.
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who said anything about it being the main component? I simply stated that the better part of the trip is because of the DMT. And if your taking a large amount of rue in your brews, than your way off of tradition any way. Sure, harmaline does have some minor effects, but the trip in general is induced by the DMT. The other chemicals simply complement the trip in their own unique ways. Im sorry, but syrian rue alone does not result in a full blown psychodelic experience any where near comparable to that of DMT. Ive tried a large amount, and would never do it to achieve anything worthwhile
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: satyr]
#7952978 - 01/29/08 09:19 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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I think if you took pure Tetrahydroharmine (THH) you would trip.
I donno how hard, but I honestly think you would trip.
Try taking 100g of "Cielo" Caapi, 500g if it's fresh.
Seriously try it and get back to me.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: satyr]
#7953050 - 01/29/08 09:31 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Who said anything about tradition?
Here we have arrived at a matter of preference, I guess. You like the dmt presence more than the rue or caapi presence.
I respectfully disagree, believing that the synergistic combination is more valuable than either component.
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FarFromHere, your avatar thingy is badass. However, you need to get some air my friend.
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IMHO its all about potentiating the DMT with minimal nausea. It must just be my personal chemistry. I find the Harmaline extract to be the pure no filler MAOI. I have been told by ReoSpeedwagon153 that I am a "douche" so take my opion with a grain of salt. I do enjoy the caapi experience quite regularly. I am quite familliar with the different MAOI contained in Caapi. Syrian Rue (Harmaline) seems to me to be so much more ...... less intrusive it allows the wonderful psychedelic experience to happen and it doesn't cloud it with fillers. I find the Harmaline extract cuts out the nausea that the Rue causes IMHO.
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Dude that peice of Caapi is huge!!!
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FarFromHere said: Dude that peice of Caapi is huge!!!
Dude that peice of Caapi is potent as fuck too!
LOL
It was about 1300 grams.
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Thick caapi is supposed to be more potent than the young stuff...
What strain was it?
Do you know?
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You said my factual statement was laughable. I thought you were a douche for that.
Didn't say you weren't a credible source of information, you were just kind of an asshole to me.
I don't want to keep whining about it, you just happened to bring it up, and well, it still hurts...
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wow, that piece of caapi has me at loss of words. im assuming you needed a chainsaw to break that thing up? lol
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FarFromHere said: Thick caapi is supposed to be more potent than the young stuff...
What strain was it?
Do you know?
It is yellow caapi. It has been my experience that that big piece of vine is 2-3x more potent that the small diameter stuff normally found on the internet.
I normally do not promote vendors on these threads, but, I think this is a good time to let all of you interested in Ayahuasca, DMT, or other Herbs know of the best vendor out there, (IMHO), second to none in every aspect. Most importantly, quality.Heavenly Products
There is also an Ebay store for them, though it is not as complete as the web site. Hevenly Products Ebay
Heavenly products is where I bought that big piece of vine from and thats where I get my Mimosa from. I get all my herbals there. They kik ass.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: satyr]
#7956402 - 01/30/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 2 days ago) |
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satyr said: wow, that piece of caapi has me at loss of words. im assuming you needed a chainsaw to break that thing up? lol
I thought about a chainsaw but I didnt want to waste any. I do use a power table saw to cut it up when I'm in the mood and my recipe calls for it. It is pretty hard stuff.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: poke smot!]
#7964575 - 02/01/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 14 hours ago) |
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Awesome post, man.
I must say I am intrigued by the extraction procedure you mentioned. Care to elaborate?
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: poke smot!]
#7965132 - 02/01/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 12 hours ago) |
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Wow. More info than I could have asked for, thanks.
Looks like I might have found something to do today...
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hmm its funny the two have treated me and others differently at times. i have had caapi give horrible vomiting and rue give none before. back when holding group sessions of 4-6 people only one person would purge and they would purge really hard and everyone would feel it and be relieved by it. and as for combination with phenethylamines,mdma, and 5-meo. what about brews with 5-meo in the plants i find those to be fantastic. and i once took molly during the come down of a brew with alcohol mostly champagne and beer with opium and hash. that was hours after the brew ceremony. also ill add i have mixed cactus with it tons of times and things have been fine theres about 5% chance of vomiting. something i sometimes look back at are all the brews i gave random people cause they wanted to share in it and didnt really work with them and left them to their own devices its some strange stuff.
and btw im back to this name i made one of the computers able to run this site tho no other ones on the network can.
but anywho back to the topic. i found my brews when i started using viridis to drastically change the whole thing. i personally like a brew of Caapi, alittle bit of rue, virdis,chaliponga, a small amount of mimosa, hint of cactus, a bit of datura or brugmansia, and hint of virola. with rue being eating prior to the brew. tho i dont knock the brews were you drink it all as one or with out rue and just caapi and all the other stuff. I have to say that the brewing over the years has changed drastically and when it is different for me it is different for the whole group of people i give it to also the people that are connected to me thru the healing circle. btw yageman as iv probably said before im not really here for any one to like or hate or try to fully understand im just one giving my psychedelic experience and that of those who have trotten down that path with me. all that i post is just my experience and i dunno i did hear that this is the psychedelic experience forum. btw yageman you too have seemed to change perhaps growen a bit bitter, but hey fuck judging people as for me am i mad? i dunno all the experts in the medical field say no and say that im just playing mind games and fucking with their mind thats all. they refuse to give me a diagnosis or condition so im not even bi polar. so are you saying that my spelling has become better or worse. i kinda find it odd you said " You have two names. One of you cant spell, and both of you are pretty much insane or just fake insane." people are people and no matter what name they have they still are who they are and i think thats what you mean i wasnt trying to hid my identity it was a issue with changing internet service providers and network security software. its funny a police officer called my amanita my voodoo charm once while giving it back after taking it during the search of my car. Call what ever my job is what ever im a magical person that heals and stuff most people just call it being a medicine man. no im no shaman im not of siberian decent no im not a south american ayahuasca healer dude. im just me and the healer person that i am and i have a big bag of medicine and em willing to use many methods and plants to heal things. but you as i said i dont know what your deal is but it seems over the years you have gotten alot bitter or something. how long ago was your last visit from ayahuasca. Its funny i still have to say no the stuff isnt a party drug but you can very well take it and go to a party it just means you cant exactly party on it or something like that a person i taught of the brewing totally freaked out the night i took it and went to a party he yelled at me that this isnt the place that it cant be that its disrespectful but no as long as your intent is pure and you use it with puriety it works just right, doesnt really matter for the most part which of the plant combos you use. i have had extracted dmt and 5-meo dmt with rue and it was just like a tea i had once, but with the extract alot of vomiting where the tea didnt.
one of my big questions is anyone else brewing how do you find it to healing wounds,and body pains? do you develop crazy connections with the people you have it with of a tele empathic nature that can even function from NJ to alaska? i dunno all i have to say is i have experienced all the magical mubo jumbo you here about in the tales and alot of people i know have shared it this with me and with out me. This stuff is about way more then just drugs thats for sure. ill also ask is it possible to take this stuff multiple times and now learn of energy working? I do know one thing tho i have healed an amount of people and its crazy to see how much our healing session has changed their life and how their path of life is forever altered and they have differnt prespectives. i have to say when taking this stuff from the point of a healer or a non healer makes a huge differance. ok well i gota go but take care blessings to everyone and good vibes
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: thedudenj]
#7968634 - 02/02/08 01:03 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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whoa...
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: FarFromHere]
#7968666 - 02/02/08 01:09 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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After my session last night i might as well also add that its really not about the brew when you get past alot of things its about tuning your energy and balancing it. When your blanced and clear your trip is just straight clearity and view of this world as it is normally. With meditations and chakra blanacing you can preceive energy and feel all the vibes and do all of that alone. My session inculded someone that was very centered and advanced in energy work from just meditation and someone who is a fellow healer who isolated all their negitive vibes from the trip and purged em alone. So i just sat with someone in perfect contentment and blance and we just meditated and with our energy we canceled out the brew. you just always gota remember its just medicine.
as for the nausea tho i pointed out before it can be passed from person to person. one thing that can relieve it is chantting Aya is still about the purge wether it be vomiting,shitting,spitting,telling someone something they need to hear, just laying down, its all about finding that negitive thing what is the reason why your drinking it and taking it out of yourself unless your a healer and using it to heal others.
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