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Skunk420



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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: Chemy]
#7948006 - 01/28/08 09:48 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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i like,,
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thedudenj
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hmm one way to put it is that aya has a respectful spirit and really wants you to learnd something and will do what it has to do to make sure you learn wether that being light trip or horrific one
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: thedudenj]
#7948253 - 01/28/08 10:43 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I dont trust you.
You have two names. One of you cant spell, and both of you are pretty much insane or just fake insane.
My last trip possibly ever was with rue and viridis. I knew it was going to be my last trip, so I treated it as such.
It was the most incredible trip ever. I guess I ended on a high note although it was difficult to say the least.
Thanks to rue. I could have used caapi, but I have my own method of using rue, so I "ate" a massive amount of maois and "plenty" of viridis.
"It"(rue) made sure that my experience was as meaningful as I was capable of.
I dont understand why rue has a "less respectful spirit". Thats because its spirit belongs to everyone, and it is in no way disrespectful to the human condition although it may be very pure and seemingly threatening to some people.
Rue wants nothing. Its a plant. Our consciousness brings its death into consciousness, and it teaches when we steal its life, just like caapi.
Caapi wants nothing. Aside from reproducing, caapi's only wish is to enter ones own consciousness.
It didnt ask for this outlet. God made that outlet.
Plants are one hell of a thing arent they................lol.
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thedudenj
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: yageman]
#7948267 - 01/28/08 10:46 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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yeah plants rock the lama's socks
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FarFromHere
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: thedudenj]
#7948331 - 01/28/08 11:00 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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I know you wont because you like to kiss the caapi's cosmic ass.

Yageman I trust you judgement of Ayahuasca plants more than my own...
I know rue is vaubable.
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I dont understand why rue has a "less respectful spirit".
I certainly don't think that...
I would like to know of it's historical uses tho....
Can anybody give me any info on this???
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yageman
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id just assume that the history of rue use is easy to find.
However, you talk about that 3rd chemical in caapi like you know what you are talking about.
Thats what I want to know. Its that special i guess, because you say it is.
Shouldnt you just be able to say why? Like.......1-2-3, easy as that.
I mean, that chemical is your best friend and all.
No, just kidding.
I just want to see some info.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: yageman]
#7948446 - 01/28/08 11:22 PM (16 years, 4 days ago) |
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However, you talk about that 3rd chemical in caapi like you know what you are talking about.
Thats what I want to know.
Its that special i guess, because you say it is.
Shouldnt you just be able to say why? Like.......1-2-3, easy as that.
I mean, that chemical is your best friend and all.
No, just kidding.
I just want to see some info.
Ok calm down....
I'll try to find a link.
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Edited by FarFromHere (01/29/08 12:22 AM)
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The beta-carbolines (harmine, harmaline, and tetrahydroharmine) are obtained from the ayahuasca vine (Banisteriopsis caapi). Harmine and harmaline are visionary at near toxic levels, but at modest dosage typically produce mainly tranquility and purgation.
Tetrahydroharmine is present in significant levels in ayahuasca. It may be responsible for some of its more profound effects compared to analogue plants such as Syrian rue (Peganum harmala).
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Principal active biochemicals: the ß-carboline alkaloids harmine, harmaline, tetrahydroharmine, harmol, harmic acid, methylester harmic amide, acetyl norharmine, harmine N-oxide, harmalinic acid and ketotetra-hydronorharmine are present in the bark, stems, and trunk of B. caapi, B. inebrians, and other species of Banisteriopsis. Tetrahydroharmine occurs in greater concentration in B. caapi than in other plants bearing harmala alkaloids such as Peganum harmala (Syrian rue) and certain species of Passiflora sp. (passionflower). This may account for the more profound and enduring therapeutic effects produced by genuine ayahuasca compared to "analogue" preparations.
PM me for a link to the site that I got that from.
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Edited by FarFromHere (01/28/08 11:27 PM)
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satyr
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Ive tried P. Harmala and B. Caapi with MHRB in previous brews, and they were noticeably different, for obvious chemical reasons Id assume. But I would not consider one superior to the other; each has its own unique way of taking you across the abyss. Many claim that caapi is a patient guide, and that rue acts like a harsh teacher, but I believe that this occurs as a result of the expectations one has developed after hearing this myth. And when it comes to the purge, caapi has me bent over heaving very harshly within minutes, while rue has never given me any nausea at all.
My advice would be to just pick one and go for it. I dont believe in tradition, so It really doesnt make a difference which maoi you use, after all it is about the DMT, despite what traditionalists say.
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The chemicals may not even be the huge difference between them.
They are very different plants from very different parts of the world.
This thread has diverted a lot from helping chemy deal with the rue nausea. I would suggest taking experimental amounts of rue prepared in different ways by itself, with no admixture. This also helps one get used to syrian rue.
Also, the toasting method I mentioned removes a great deal of the foul, sickening smell of the seeds, and doesn't affect the potency at all. This might help with the nausea as well.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: yageman]
#7949383 - 01/29/08 07:43 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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yageman said: Why dont you look it up yourself dude. I know you wont because you like to kiss the caapi's cosmic ass.
One of my favorite Yageman quotes yet... awesome
I have noticed a distinct difference between the two...
I prefer caapi due to the more introspective healing, spiritual, and astral nature of the experience that, for me, seems to be slightly diminished by Rue.
Rue is great if your lookin for a trip... It can be healing, spiritual, and astral but can also be VERY visual with the least nausea. 2-2.5g rue taken right is a walk in the park on your body.
30-60g caapi? 
Donno why I like it so much. must be somethin about the excessive tannins leeching out ungodly amounts of vial substances from an almost endless source of fluid + matter in my body.
It's only us hardasses that take the caapi, don't join the club unless you can dig
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: SDP]
#7949864 - 01/29/08 10:30 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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after all it is about the DMT, despite what traditionalists say.
That's bullshit...
The smoked DMT experience is completely different from an Ayahuasca trip.
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SDP
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FarFromHere said:
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after all it is about the DMT, despite what traditionalists say.
That's bullshit...
The smoked DMT experience is completely different from an Ayahuasca trip.
Even the "orally active DMT" trips are qualitatively different then a traditional Aya brew with caapi. Neither, though, is superior.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: SDP]
#7949911 - 01/29/08 10:44 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Right. I didn't say one was better than the other...
But the are def. different.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: SDP]
#7949912 - 01/29/08 10:44 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Right. I didn't say one was better than the other...
But they are def. different.
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satyr
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FarFromHere said:
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after all it is about the DMT, despite what traditionalists say.
That's bullshit...
The smoked DMT experience is completely different from an Ayahuasca trip.
Well, of course DMT alone is different from ayahuasca. Ayahuaca is a MIXTURE of substances, so naturally, no shit. What Im saying is that the DMT is what gives you access to these other realms, despite which maoi you decide to use. Ive tried both, and the only difference was that rue was more visual and less painful on the stomach.
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: satyr]
#7951635 - 01/29/08 05:49 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Take a lot of rue by itself and come back with the assertion that dmt is the 'main' component in ayahuasca brews.
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satyr
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who said anything about it being the main component? I simply stated that the better part of the trip is because of the DMT. And if your taking a large amount of rue in your brews, than your way off of tradition any way. Sure, harmaline does have some minor effects, but the trip in general is induced by the DMT. The other chemicals simply complement the trip in their own unique ways. Im sorry, but syrian rue alone does not result in a full blown psychodelic experience any where near comparable to that of DMT. Ive tried a large amount, and would never do it to achieve anything worthwhile
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Re: Ayahuasca question [Re: satyr]
#7952978 - 01/29/08 09:19 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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I think if you took pure Tetrahydroharmine (THH) you would trip.
I donno how hard, but I honestly think you would trip.
Try taking 100g of "Cielo" Caapi, 500g if it's fresh.
Seriously try it and get back to me.
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