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'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other
    #7932978 - 01/26/08 12:27 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Genes have the ability to recognise similarities in each other from a distance, without any proteins or other biological molecules aiding the process, according to new research. This discovery could explain how similar genes find each other and group together in order to perform key processes involved in the evolution of species.

This new study shows that genes -- which are parts of double-stranded DNA with a double-helix structure containing a pattern of chemical bases - can recognise other genes with a similar pattern of chemical bases.

This ability to seek each other out could be the key to how genes identify one another and align with each other in order to begin the process of 'homologous recombination' -- whereby two double-helix DNA molecules come together, break open, swap a section of genetic information, and then close themselves up again.

Recombination is an important process which plays a key role in evolution and natural selection, and is also central to the body's ability to repair damaged DNA. Before now, scientists have not known exactly how suitable pairs of genes find each other in order for this process to begin.

The authors of the new study carried out a series of experiments in order to test the theory, first developed in 2001 by two members of this team, that long pieces of identical double-stranded DNA could identify each other merely as a result of complementary patterns of electrical charges which they both carry. They wanted to verify that this could indeed occur without physical contact between the two molecules, or the facilitating presence of proteins.

Previous studies have suggested that proteins are involved in the recognition process when it occurs between short strands of DNA which only have about 10 pairs of chemical bases. This new research shows that much longer strands of DNA with hundreds of pairs of chemical bases seem able to recognise each other as a whole without protein involvement. According to the theory, this recognition mechanism is stronger the longer the genes are.

The researchers observed the behaviour of fluorescently tagged DNA molecules in a pure solution. They found that DNA molecules with identical patterns of chemical bases were approximately twice as likely to gather together than DNA molecules with different sequences.

Professor Alexei Kornyshev from Imperial College London, one of the study's authors, explains the significance of the team's results: "Seeing these identical DNA molecules seeking each other out in a crowd, without any external help, is very exciting indeed. This could provide a driving force for similar genes to begin the complex process of recombination without the help of proteins or other biological factors. Our team's experimental results seem to support these expectations."

Understanding the precise mechanism of the primary recognition stage of genetic recombination may shed light on how to avoid or minimise recombination errors in evolution, natural selection and DNA repair. This is important because such errors are believed to cause a number of genetically determined diseases including cancers and some forms of Alzheimer's, as well as contributing to ageing. Understanding this mechanism is also essential for refining precise artificial recombination techniques for biotechnologies and gene therapies of the future.

The team is now working on a set of further experiments to determine exactly how these interactions work, including the predicted length dependence. In addition, further studies are needed to ascertain whether this interaction, discovered in a test tube, occurs in the highly complex environment of a living cell.

The study was carried out by researchers at Imperial College London and the National Institute of Health (NIH) in the USA. The work was funded in the UK by the EPSRC and supported by the NIH Institute of Child Health and Human Development.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080124103151.htm


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Re: 'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other [Re: elbisivni]
    #7944543 - 01/28/08 10:07 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

so would this make genetic manipulation simplier to do?


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Re: 'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other [Re: elbisivni]
    #7944790 - 01/28/08 11:08 AM (16 years, 4 days ago)

> Genes have the ability to recognise similarities in each other from a distance, without any proteins or other biological molecules aiding the process, according to new research.

I find it annoying when people use misleading anthropomorphic descriptions. The genes are not intelligent. They don't make decisions. They don't recognize each other the way people do. They don't have eyes, or sensing organs, or appendages to move them about. And they certainly are not "telepathic". What a misleading crock of BS.

This would be like describing a filter as "telepathic" because it knows what things to let through and what things to keep behind.

> without any external help

I would consider Brownian Motion to be "external help".


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Re: 'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other [Re: Seuss]
    #7947345 - 01/28/08 08:04 PM (16 years, 4 days ago)

A lot of the articles from Science Daily are quite sensationalist and misleading but I find the premise of some of the articles to be of interest. It is kind of funny to see such a style of reportage in science related fields though, often makes me chuckle. I like your filter analogy too..


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Re: 'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other [Re: elbisivni]
    #7949171 - 01/29/08 03:28 AM (16 years, 3 days ago)

> It is kind of funny to see such a style of reportage in science related fields though

It is the way scientists often speak in the lab... or at least any lab that I have worked in... but when publication comes around, the "personification of the research" goes away and professionalism comes out. When I read an article that coddles the anthropomorphisms, then I immediately suspect that the author of the article has no idea what is being written about. In these cases, the research is being presented to the layman in terms that are both inaccurate and misleading.


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Re: 'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other [Re: Seuss]
    #7951573 - 01/29/08 05:33 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

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Re: 'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #7959663 - 01/31/08 10:21 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: 'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #7959749 - 01/31/08 10:49 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

,a telepathic will be a crazy word to use, but four years ago i was interest in the idea of genes as intelliget, or at least something that use us,, this term are unappropriated but i will try to explain mi ideas ,
is interest to note that genes pass trough generation and generation , their are some genes that can be track since a time when we as humans race originate from a small population , this is base on the study about judish (jude) people there is a tribe in Africa that claim they are judish and are totally black we all know judish as white people however scientific track the genes and found it in this black people, and to his surprise the gene was also in the rest of the population only few people lack of it so this give the idea that truly the population of earth originates in a single individual, this trace back to history and religions to the Noe arch , and the big flow , only few tribes of Indian's lack of this genes.
another interesting thing is genes do seem to attract commons genes example your girlfriends or boyfriends , we always fall in love with certain people, we like certain faces etc, is like our genes dictate somehow our way of life, my word are to think about ,not probe theory's, maybe if we speak more we can get more conclusions,

genes are immortals , we only live once, in a scientific way of life, iam a biologist , but i base mi life not only in science, science is too obscure yet, but a great tool.
well we can transmit our genes to the second generation , when we where long gone some of us will be there,that pretty intelligence ,way of thinking
the world all around us or animal and plants are made of the same genes or bases, of of then in a way we have the information of plant and animal in our genes, is just genetic is not advance yet,

i some way of mi life i was trying to see aliens and the idea of the genes come to mind,
if you think about in not so serious way , the earth look like a experiment for higher beings that can manipulate in a good way genes, a fly have The same bases structure as us, or animal, we don not have the same gene code don't get me wrong ,
then since i use many mechanic to understand something and try to probe it some how to think are real , i try to understand religions, and how we humans where made in the book of genesis is toll a story and how a genetic experiment was take off, if you think about it , made as the image of the creator , that god is in every part , yes we are the same in a molecular, level so why not believe good is every where, the same energy is in all we know, now the experiment they made Eva fron the part of Adan tell me if that don't explain a genetic relations, of course we can not do that yet but it will come time when genetic manipulation will be more advance be god will be a different concept,
OK so far scientific , have not found the missing link between humans and monkey but we can deny we came from there , we share if i dont bad remember 99% of our adn or DNA with chimpanzee, is that 1% than make us humans , is that the alien gene the creator introduce to create humans race, for me it seem that way, but of course is more complex and dont consider the creator evil or something , bad or good is beyond those creatures.

if you think about the world or life as we know is base on the element of carbon or the molecules have it , but what about other type of life that can live as scientific states from selenium, or other component we dont know that tipe of life but most exist, so this since like a creation some how, not something that happened miraculous , is more deeper then that, now we can understand life came from outside the earth , BUt still not probe, but molecules can form in the universe and travel with meteorites, that is a fact so we can skip the possibilities of life from outer space,
we know there have been storage eras in the history of the earth from the life in the sea, to dinosaurs,and all the creatures that exist, humand or monkey only come to scene in the last second of the picture if you play a movie of 24 hours since the beginning of the earth , so we are something new in this planet we have not humand Record of the ice age all the ice age ,what happened in the dinosaurs age, or before, or the warn of the earth ,shift of poles all we know lay in rock an in fossil, and that can not tell the hole story,
we use i guess 6% of our brains , what we the other ,
death is code in our genes , we have a code to destruction, but if you look is like a program , i bet alien that have a fisical body most have different helix structure, the helix is something so complex that even scientific can decode.

what about the strange power of telepathy , telekinesis , time distortion human have, their are activated by certain genes, as all other thing , some genes become dormant and are never activated, you can have genes of cancer but dont mean you will have cancer that genes need a special environment to awake as a virus need a host to be alive, or a seed earth and water to grow,
what about prions only few organism dont have genes, all have two set of then , virus only have one part that why they need a host to use the other part to reproduce, is intelligence something you can measure if you have a mind only , the idea of intelligence is more profound that thoughts .
so prion auto replicate proteins, was something we don't even know about a few years , now we know that many exist, not only the mad cow disease, so this let genes away but still get into the idea there is something there that generate life we don't know noting ,
what is life and what are intelligence being will change in 100 years to come, many advance Will be perform ,
the idea of a new human race is not far , to manipulate genes, why not, we do that all the time, but to understand that will take time,

i believe that certain psychedelic actives certain genes , that where dormant and NEver can be activate since we not try.
i believe there is more things in the genes,that will make human race change, psychedelic, open a new world of investigation, many see aliens in their experience, apparently that something encode in our genes, we have so many same experiences and yet unique,

until more work been done ,every time we see more in the dark wall , in a point the wall will be so illuminated, that we will be able to jump the wall until then we can try to fire our soul and contribute to the shine.....

all my best vibrations to you all ,


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Re: 'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other [Re: cactu]
    #7959833 - 01/31/08 11:14 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

^^^^^^

> the research is being presented to the layman in terms that are both inaccurate and misleading.

I rest my case.


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Re: 'Telepathic' Genes Recognize Similarities In Each Other [Re: elbisivni]
    #7969466 - 02/02/08 04:44 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)
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