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Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis
    #7901623 - 01/19/08 01:00 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

which do you prefer in your brew and why?


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: soundtrance]
    #7913250 - 01/22/08 12:23 AM (16 years, 29 days ago)

I prefer Mimosa for two reasons. First I have found Mimosa to more potent, and second I find the potency to be more consistent from multiple sources out there. I believe that most, (not all), of the Mimosa that is available out there comes from Mexico and it is of a pretty fine quality.

Psychotria Viridis that I have purchased has not been consistent in potency. I understand that time of day the plant is harvested and other factors do have an impact on potency of the plant. I have had wonderful results with Psychotria Viridis.

I find Mimosa Hostilis to be much more tannic and more likely to induce the purge if you are consuming it in a brew.

I have used Psychotria Viridis several times, I have used Mimosa Hostilis many,many times.

I can hear the "Traditionalists" already moaning and groaning about what I am about to say, but, Mimosa Hostilis IMHO is your best source for DMT no matter how your preparing it.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #7914855 - 01/22/08 02:19 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

It's true. I have brewed many times with chacruna and never attained a good dose. Mimosa is a bit harder to make a pallatable brew with, but as ice house mentioned, it is by far more consistent than chacruna in potency.

But hey, it's not always about the trip. I would give chacruna a shot, maybe your vendor has better stuff than mine. No big deal if you don't break through, you have the rest of your life to see what is to be seen.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7914899 - 01/22/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 29 days ago)

Here's your answer-

Grow your own psychotria!


Do it RIGHT!


Hell I think you should grow your own caapi too!


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I find Mimosa Hostilis to be much more tannic and more likely to induce the purge if you are consuming it in a brew.






Exactly, and that's why I like psychotria.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7924497 - 01/24/08 02:43 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

why wouldnt you want to purge it makes me feel better and id rather barf than dry heave. dry heaving blows.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: soundtrance] * 1
    #7924893 - 01/24/08 04:03 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

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why wouldnt you want to purge it makes me feel better and id rather barf than dry heave. dry heaving blows.




I dont want to purge because I dont have to. I can have a full blown Psychedelic Ayahuasca experience using this simple tek -Pharmahuasca in a Pill
and I dont have to purge at all. No barfing, puking, vomitting, throwing up, power puking, projectile vomitting, and no dry heaving.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #7924938 - 01/24/08 04:13 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

hahah power puking. thats an awsome tek tho dude.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: soundtrance]
    #7925016 - 01/24/08 04:35 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

go for hostilis. It doesnt matter what plant is "more traditional" Its like syrian rue... if it grew in the amazon, it would be considered traditional.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: danlennon3]
    #7925265 - 01/24/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 27 days ago)

they feel differnt tho thats something to consider


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: Sra_sephiroth0]
    #7929018 - 01/25/08 09:22 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Yeah, absolutely.

Each plant has a vastly different chemical spectrum and opens the mind up to very different psychedelic realms. Same to a stronger degree with syrian rue and caapi.

From that perspective, chacruna is probably a better choice. Though I have not experienced chacruna to its full potential, my initial escorts with the plant showed that it can be much more gentle than what appeared to be a somewhat unforgiving mimosa.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7929252 - 01/25/08 10:47 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

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Each plant has a vastly different chemical spectrum and opens the mind up to very different psychedelic realms. Same to a stronger degree with Syrian rue and caapi.

From that perspective, chacruna is probably a better choice. Though I have not experienced chacruna to its full potential, my initial escorts with the plant showed that it can be much more gentle than what appeared to be a somewhat unforgiving mimosa.




LOL! this is a very fucking funny statement. A vastly different chemical spectrum? Bottom line on these two plants, (Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis), is that they are the plants that contain the DMT that is the Psychedelic component of Ayahuasca or Pharmahuasca. Chacruna can be more gentle and mimosa can be much more unforgiving for the reasons I stated above. First off, Mimosa on average contains more DMT. Second Psychotria Viridis or Chacruna tends to be inconsistent in its potency.

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and opens the mind up to very different psychedelic realms



When you know your ingredients because you have worked with them and you know the potency of what your vendor is sending you, you will be able to mix a brew with either Psychotria Viridis or Mimosa and obtain the same level of psychedelic effect.

IMHO and through what I have learned from experience, your Aya/Pharmahuasca experience will be influenced more by what type of MAOI you utilize, ie -Syrian Rue, Yellow, Red, or Black Caapi, or a Harmaline extract.
There is most definitely a trial and error learning curve at work here if you do not have an experienced teacher.
I would first find a reliable vendor for whatever your using and learn that material.
I would recommend keeping a journal and taking lots of notes so you can take the shortest rout to "consistency" in your brews.
Remember that if you take too much the only thing that can reverse the effects is time. If you don't take enough you can always take more.
IMHO if you want to take allot of the guessing or uncertainty out of the process. use extracts.


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #7929381 - 01/25/08 11:35 AM (16 years, 26 days ago)

Sorry, take the word 'vastly' out of my post, douche...

They do have completely different chemicals, and to say otherwise is misleading. Yes they both have DMT, but each has dozens of other possibly psychoactive chemicals.

Psychotria viridis may contain small amounts of 5 meo dmt and mimosa contains several dmt like chemicals, including yuremamine, the chemical possibly responsible for its activity without an maoi. Who knows what else is in the plants adding to their distinct character?


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7929859 - 01/25/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

well my first brew to use viridis i used all chaliponga and mimosa too and it still made a huge differance the tea changed green and had way differnt energies if you know anything about brewing this stuff its all about the energies. and virdis contains differnt energys that can spin the thing in differnt ways


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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7930950 - 01/25/08 05:11 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

douche? LOL...... No disrespect intended.

douche? LOL.... Sorry for upsetting you.

Thanks for setting me straight on the dozens of possibly psychoactive chemicals and on what Psychotria viridis may contain.

douche? LOL

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Re: Psychotria Viridis vs. Mimosa hostilis [Re: Ice House Shaman]
    #7930958 - 01/25/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 26 days ago)

lol virdis only really has one thing


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