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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
#7920734 - 01/23/08 05:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Atheist said: I havent posted here in a while (although I never really did with P+S), but i thought that today might be different. The past few days iv been pondering the thoughts of a creator/designer. This is probably what many of you call GOD. I believed in God and Jesus for 18 years of my life, shit iv only been atheist for a little more than a year. Raised Catholic i really like Jesus and the holy spirit, and i felt really betrayed when i found out that none of it is true.
Well, nothing's really 'true', is it? I mean, my truth is different from your truth and that's different from my dad's truth, etc. Therefore, all truths are false and it doesn't matter anyway. My feeling on religion and any theory that tries to explain how/why we were created is as such: either one of them's right or they're all wrong. On a side note, you didn't 'find out' anything; you just ruled out a possibilty, which is harmful and stupid.
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Atheist said:Trying to figure out the answer to this shit is very frustrating and mindboggling.
Why do you need to find an answer? Just be.
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Atheist said: I look at a human and i am blown away at how incredible we are, our personalities, hair cuts, voices...ETC, ETC
That has everything to do with culture and society and nothing to do with humans as a species.
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Atheist said: actually this shit isnt perfect. there is disease, WAR, crime, species dying off every fucking day. Earthquakes, volcanoes, hurricanes. This planet is NOT perfect, not at all.
Earthquakes, volcanoes, and hurricanes are part of the Earth's natural processes. For example, forest fires are supposed to happen. There are seeds that do not 'function' properly until they have been heated.
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Atheist said: We are the same species as a black ass african straight out of africa. They look like SOO MUCH like apes (NOT BEING RACIST) it is obvious that evolution is real. I observe humans as the dirty disgusting human beings we are. We are filthy and bad (not all, obviously).
That makes absolutely no sense. I believe in evolution but just something because one species looks similar to another means that one evolved from the other. Birds don't look too much like dinosaurs and humans sure as fuck don't look like shrews (my Biology teacher says that a theory in the scientific community is that humans evolved from a shrew-like organism that was around during the time of the dinosaurs).
Also, you realize that all of your opinions (not just yours but everybody's) is a result of pre-conditioning? Were we able to look at this world through an objective lens, we might see things a little differently.
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redgreenvines said: well people sure seem to be getting fired up about somebody's cultural conditioning. seeing the cultural conditioning should flag acceptance and compassion - outrage only if there is effective trouble emanating. what I see emanating is curiosity, confusion, and concern.
maybe it is just stoned talk, but the curiosity and concern can be commuted into compassion and this is among the best of things that humans can be involved in.
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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
#7921936 - 01/23/08 09:16 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Atheist said: i just hate that i was lied too, jesus is totally fake
I understand your anger here. I felt the same for a long, long time (and still do occasionally). We are lied to about a thousand things in the culture we belong to. There is nothing to be done about it except to except that, that is the way things have played out and then try to repair the damage to yourself, (not to others). It takes years of dedication to make progress in my experience but what else have you got to do until you die? Then one day you may feel like changing your name from Athiest to Agnostic.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Icelander]
#7922142 - 01/23/08 10:03 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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im both
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redgreenvines said: well people sure seem to be getting fired up about somebody's cultural conditioning. seeing the cultural conditioning should flag acceptance and compassion - outrage only if there is effective trouble emanating. what I see emanating is curiosity, confusion, and concern.
maybe it is just stoned talk, but the curiosity and concern can be commuted into compassion and this is among the best of things that humans can be involved in.
first post i read in this thread.
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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
#7922361 - 01/23/08 10:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Atheist said: im both
sounds demanding, being two things.
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it sorta sounds like you (thread starter) still wants to believe in god as much as you also WANT to believe its all a fake.
no way you FOUND OUT jesus was a fake and that there is no heaven because it simply hasn't been proved. it seems very unlikely but no where does it say it is completely out of the question.
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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
#7923507 - 01/24/08 09:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Atheist said: im both
mutually exclusive
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Icelander]
#7923818 - 01/24/08 11:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said:
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Atheist said: im both
mutually exclusive
Can't one believe not in gods yet stand and claim not to know about what's left of knowledge when devoid of the supernatural ? To restrict atheism and agnosticism to the creator/supernatural question, where indeed they may be mutually exclusive, seems to me to be quite cultural centric. Atheism need not be materialism, agnosticism need not be about this or that particular type of knowledge.
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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Atheist]
#7924028 - 01/24/08 12:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its real. Words have many meanings. Jesus exists in the collective as an energy signature. Find that bastard. If Lucifer is associated with the Sun you know where to look.
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EternalCowabunga
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jesus is compassion energy signature
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maybe both.
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He made a bling bling sig. now
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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: deimya]
#7924123 - 01/24/08 12:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm talking about the subject at hand.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Thoughts on a creator [Re: Icelander]
#7929722 - 01/25/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said:
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Atheist said: im both
mutually exclusive
what does that mean?
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