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InvisibleChronic7

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Re: Souls? [Re: backfromthedead]
    #7929847 - 01/25/08 01:30 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Oh for sure i sometimes think, is there anything behind it all, there could be multiverses going on forever all controlled by a monkey in a glass ball.

But from what ive experienced, we are all one, whatever there is it is still part of us as one, science backs this up as we are all basically the same atoms with just diffrent number of electorns or somehting liek that. These atoms could be reactin in multiple ways but there still all ONE.


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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929913 - 01/25/08 01:44 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

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chronic777 said:
...science backs this up as we are all basically the same atoms with just diffrent number of electorns or somehting liek that. These atoms could be reactin in multiple ways but there still all ONE.



You should read up on quantum sometime--with atoms, we've discovered that every atom is not empirically the same (weight-wise and perhaps mass-wise, anyway). They are practically the same, but one sodium molecule is not exactly the same as the next. The differences are pretty small though--but then you get into gauge bosons and their differences (and mass differences become more and more minute the further you "zoom in"...)




Discussions about the existence of the soul are always interesting to me though, because death is a two-fold procedure--your body is still there, but think, what must it be like to actually be in the moment of dying? It might be equivalently as traumatic as birth--but none of us remember what that was like.

I believe that when your die, your perception of time shifts exponentially, such that, to your perception ("you"), time flows by extremely slowly, but because you have no external marker to gauge it by, you can't tell. Depending on your brain's tendencies to be left- or right- sided, you either will experience death in a first-person perspective or third-person; it's like dreaming in that you don't know what your role is where you are, but you feel no desire to question it



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InvisibleChronic7

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Re: Souls? [Re: Querjek]
    #7929924 - 01/25/08 01:46 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I try and understand quantum mechanics and branes and string theorys but i cant make sense ofit at allo, apart fomr that when you opbserve an atom its there, when you dont its everywhere, if i understand correctly?

The intention is there so it will come to me i just dont like pushing my brian too fast too soon... :smile:


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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7929954 - 01/25/08 01:53 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I think we are souls in the sense that we are like small microcosmic events which somehow can influence the whole universe. You never know how. Right now. We are stuck here on earth. But in ten thousand years we may have pervaded the whole multiverse. Maybe we already pervade other realms that are mostly unseen. I think we pull alot together as one unified awareness. We are part of a grand experiment of sentience. That sentience is aware, and that bespeaksk a soul, that is, someone to be aware of something. I doubt we can really be here to speak of anything without being a soul.

I know even in meditation I feel this sense of person which is me. What about you? Do you not feel like someone sometime? Not in relationship to others but just -solely-? When alone, one is soul. Why I listen to soul music, for real. Not just sayin.


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InvisibleChronic7

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Re: Souls? [Re: eve69]
    #7929983 - 01/25/08 02:00 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

I feel my own truth and wisdom when meditating sometimes, but mostly when meditating i try and get out of my own ego games and be everything.

I feel like theres some truth to a soul, but not every single human and animal having theyre own individual eternal soul, it just cant be possible when we're all one being. All i can see is energy, not souls, maybe people like to call this energy soul.

I just think the human need to label a "soul" is the same need that needs to beleive in heaven and afterlife, its based in fear of the unknown afterlife, when if we all relaised there is afterlife as energy manifesting in different forms, we wouldnt need to label our energy as souls, we can take solace that our acts as a human can aid to the growth in strength of that energy to live on into higher forms of being. We evolev, theres no taking human form or thoughts with us when we die, we jsut move onto the next stage

Liek the buddha might be living on as some higher intelligent alien being who doesnt even fathom the concept of wars etc....but he is no longer the buddha at all, he has grown....


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Re: Souls? [Re: WScott]
    #7933771 - 01/26/08 05:44 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Scientifically, the idea of a Soul passing from one life form to another, or 'our energy' moving into another life form, could just be the matter from our decomposing bodies being recycled through the enviromental cycle until a particle from that body becomes part of another life form which grows to experience "consciousness".
ie, you die, your body rots in the ground, a tree grows from around you, a person eats fruit from that tree which contains a few million particles of matter from your corpse, essentially passing on your energy into another life form.
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Re: Souls? [Re: Chronic7]
    #7933868 - 01/26/08 07:45 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

Funnily I don't think the soul is the unchangeable part of our personal existence here on earth. Quite the opposite.
Assumed, some kind of 'essence', spirit or soul of 'us' will exist after and before our death, I see our physical existence as 'arena' of some sorts, where we have the only possibility to change our soul here on earth, while cut off from most of our spiritual connections and boundaries.
It's here what counts, even for eternity (spiritual realm), because while there, 'soulful' change will be much harder (for theoretically obvious reasons, such as non-knowingness and knowingness [aka hell and heaven]).
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Re: Souls? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7933872 - 01/26/08 07:51 AM (16 years, 6 days ago)

That makes sense.

I consider the soul to be like a seed, and just like in nature, very few seeds grow...


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